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N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
mec damnaSave var!~<br />
anakliis portze ganxorcielda,<br />
erTi dRis Semdeg ki dartyma<br />
„rusTavi 2-ze” miaqvT da uceb,<br />
oqruaSvils apatimreben.<br />
_ e. i., ana, am sam movlenas<br />
Soris kavSirs xedavT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda.<br />
_ neba momeciT, ar dageTanxmoT,<br />
radgan igive anakliaze Seteva<br />
20 ivnisis movlenebamde dai-<br />
wyo. oqruaSvils ki swored imaSi<br />
sdeben brals, rom „gavrilovis<br />
Rames” jgufur Zaladobasa da<br />
saxelmwifo gadatrialebis mcde-<br />
lobaSi monawileobda.<br />
_ ki batono, anakliaze Seteva<br />
ramdenime Tvis win daiwyo, magram<br />
krizisi bolo dros gaRrmavda _<br />
xazaraZe-jafariZe ports Camoa-<br />
Sores. paraleluri dartyma ganxorcielda<br />
„rusTavi 2-ze”, anu im<br />
telekompaniaze, romelic anakliis<br />
proeqtis pirdapiri lobistia.<br />
_ ana, momiteveT, magram<br />
faqtebi ar davamaxinjoT, anu<br />
imis Tqma minda, rom „rusTavi 2-<br />
ze” Seteva „ocnebam” ki ar miitana,<br />
gadawyvetileba evrosasa-<br />
marTlom gamoitana.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram isic xom<br />
vnaxeT, evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />
gamotanidan zustad<br />
erT saaTSi rac moxda _ xalvaSi<br />
raRac Tavis uflebebs ibrunebs.<br />
paralelurad, cnobili xdeba e. w.<br />
oqruaSvilisa da „rusTavi 2"-is<br />
qeisi, romelzec sarCeli SevitaneT<br />
da ramac realoba amoatriala.<br />
mokled, mTeli aurzauri daiwyo<br />
_ xalvaSis xelmoweraze sami<br />
eqspertizis daskvna gviWiravs,<br />
romelic mowmobs, rom xelmowera<br />
namdvilia. isic zustad viciT,<br />
rom am xelmoweris namdvilobaze<br />
samxarauls daskvna aqvs, magram ar<br />
asajaroebs, radgan masze ormagi<br />
wnexia, anu erTi wnexi xelisuflebisaa,<br />
meore ki _ kanonis.<br />
Tvaurma zustad icis, rom gayalbebuli<br />
daskvna sisxlis samaTlis<br />
kodeqsiT isjeba.<br />
_ ana, mTel am ambavSi, Cemi<br />
aziT, kidev erTi sakanonmdeblo<br />
kazusia, kerZod, igive braldeba<br />
nika meliasac wauyenes, romelic<br />
ar daapatimres da samajuri ak-<br />
mares, oqruaSvili ki cixeSi<br />
gauSves. amas riT xsniT?<br />
_ xelisufleba amas verafriT<br />
gaamarTlebs da drois gayvanas<br />
cdilobs, anu im masalebSi, rac<br />
warmoadgina, mxolod raRac wiTeli<br />
isari Cans. gamoZieba ambobs,<br />
oqruaSvili parlamentTan 30-kaciani<br />
razmiT iyo misulio. arada,<br />
am „razmSi” Cvenc varT _ aTi adamiani.<br />
diax, Cven, yvelani parlamentis<br />
win dilis 7 saaTamde viyaviT.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tu oqruaSvili<br />
damnaSavea, mec da yvela sxva adamianic,<br />
vinc iq idga, damnaSavea!<br />
erTi sityviT, gamoZiebas arafrismTqmeli<br />
videos garda araferi<br />
aqvs. aseve arsebobs samarTaldamcvelTa<br />
SeTiTxnili Cvenebebi da<br />
es Cvenebebi, rogorc gavigeT, 24<br />
ivnissaa micemuli. yvelafer aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, xelisufleba Cix-<br />
Sia. sxvaTa Soris, imis Sesaxeb, rac<br />
SigniT xdeba, informaciac gvaqvs.<br />
amitom agoniaSi arian da cdiloben,<br />
rogorme dro gawelon,<br />
Tan „rusTavi 2-is” saqmec gaugonar<br />
krizisSi Sedis da zustad<br />
vici, es krizisi ekranis CaqrobiT<br />
`oqruaSvilis yvela Secdomas<br />
vaRiareb, magram SevTanxmdeT, rom<br />
arc erTi politikosi frTiani<br />
angelozi ar aris da verc iqneba!~<br />
da „rusTavi 2-is” daxurviT dam-<br />
Tavrdeba! amasobaSi ki ekonomika<br />
Tavze gvemxoba da yvelaferi es<br />
logikurad ver gagrZeldeba.<br />
_ „gamarjvebul saqarTvelo-<br />
Si”, rogorc cnobilia, saerTa-<br />
Soriso urTierTobebs kurirebT.<br />
ana, ucxoeli partniorebi oqru-<br />
aSvilis daWeraze ras amboben?<br />
_ cudi droa _ diplomatiuri<br />
kalendari imis saSualebas ar gva-<br />
Zlevs, rom mobilizebulad yvela<br />
davayenoT fexze, magram strategiuli<br />
gegma SevimuSaveT da dagegmili<br />
gvaqvs, rom saqmis kursSi<br />
CavayenoT strasburgi, briuseli,<br />
vena da vaSingtoni, anu dadasturebuli<br />
TariRebi ukve gvaqvs,<br />
roca yvelaferi es saerTaSoriso<br />
Tanamegobrobamde miva, magram axlave<br />
SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom diplomatebs<br />
Zalian bevri kiTxva<br />
aqvT da yvela imaSia darwmunebuli,<br />
raSic saqarTvelos mTeli sazogadoeba,<br />
anu oqruaSvili ivaniSvilis<br />
piradi mZevali da patimaria!<br />
_ ivaniSvils oqruaSvilis mZe-<br />
vlad ayvana risTvis sWirdeba?<br />
_ ar vici, es SeiZleba, misi agoniiT<br />
an SiSiT aris gamowveuli!<br />
_ ise, ana, gamoricxavT, rom<br />
istoria isev ganmeordes da<br />
oqruaSvilma, romelsac poli-<br />
tikur patimrad acxadebT, 2007<br />
wlis msgavsad, sakanSi aRiarebi-<br />
Ti Cveneba misces da yvelaferi,<br />
rac Tqva, uaryos?<br />
_ diax, amas sruliad gamovricxav!<br />
sxvaTa Soris, riskebi<br />
da xifaTebi arsebobs da Cvenc<br />
yvelanair versias ganvixilavT,<br />
magram amis miuxedavad, is, rac<br />
2007 wels vixileT, gamoricxulia!<br />
irakli oqruaSvili yvelanair wnexs<br />
gauZlebs imitom, rom dRes absoluturad<br />
sxva realoba da<br />
mocemulobaa!<br />
_ socialur mediaSi, rogorc<br />
Tvali movkari, daiwera, sapyro-<br />
bileSi oqruaSvili SesaZloa,<br />
mowamlono. Tqvenc am xifaTze<br />
mianiSnebT?<br />
_ detalurad ar vici, ra Sei-<br />
Zleba moxdes, magram es rigiTi<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqme araa, arc<br />
oqruaSvilia rigiTi patimari da<br />
amitom SesaZlebelia, rom nebismieri<br />
suraTi ganviTardes. Sesabamisad,<br />
rogorc ki gavigeT, rom<br />
patimrobaSi datoves, saxalxo<br />
damcvels SevxvdiT, romlis warmomadgenlebmac<br />
irakli imave<br />
Rames moinaxules... xifaTebze informacia<br />
Signidanac gvaqvs.<br />
_ anu xelisuflebisTvis<br />
oqruaSvili ufro saSiSia, vidre<br />
_ melia?<br />
_ nika melias mimarT, ra Tqma<br />
unda, Zalian did pativiscemas<br />
gamovxatav _ misi Sinapatimroba<br />
igive cixis tolfasia, anu aseTi<br />
`saerTod, revolucia konstituciidan<br />
gasvlaa, anu revoluciis dros saubari<br />
kanonebze ki ara, ideebis garSemo Seqmnil<br />
situaciazea. Sesabamisad, es adamianebic raRac<br />
postrevoluciur eiforiaSi imyofebodnen da,<br />
cxadia, gadacdomebic iyo da Zaladobac...<br />
rasac axla getyviT, ar vici, visTvis misaRebi<br />
iqneba da visTvis - ara, magram zustad vici,<br />
rom Zalian bevri kiTxvis miuxedavad, am<br />
adamianebma SeZles, rom postsabWoTa `gruzia~<br />
Tanamedrove evropul `jorjiad~ eqciaT! diax,<br />
maT Tanamedrove evropuli saxelmwifo<br />
Seqmnes da es CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania!~<br />
energiuli politikosi politikur<br />
procesebs CamoSorebulia,<br />
Tumca irakli oqruaSvilTan yvelaferi<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” qeisma gaamZafra.<br />
_ cnobilia, rom gamouvali<br />
mdgomareoba ar arsebobs. hoda,<br />
Seqmnili viTarebidan oqruaSvili<br />
da, Sesabamisad, xelisufle-<br />
bac rogor unda gamovides?<br />
_ diax, gamouvali mdgomareoba<br />
ar arsebobs. saerTod, irakli<br />
oqruaSvili damoukideblad ar<br />
ganixileba da igive diplomatiur<br />
korpuss yvela politpatimris<br />
qeisze velaparakebiT, anu mTavaria,<br />
es adamianebi cixidan rogorme<br />
ganTavisufldnen da xelisuflebam<br />
Tavisi farsi gamoZieba ise<br />
gaagrZelos. mosamarTlem da<br />
prokurorma, TavianTi ususuroba<br />
rom daefaraT, jer procesi<br />
daxures, mere ki is gadawyvetileba<br />
gamoitanes, romelic winaswar<br />
yvelasTvis cnobili iyo. ar vici,<br />
aseTi ram adamianma rogor unda<br />
aitanos da moiTminos! zogadad,<br />
xelisuflebas, adre Tu gvian, mxolod<br />
imis ki ara, rom politpatimrebi<br />
hyavs, aramed sxva bevri<br />
ramis aRiareba mouwevs.<br />
_ amas ris safuZvelze am-<br />
bobT?<br />
_ qveyanaSi arsebuli krizisi<br />
ufro da ufro gaRrmavdeba da<br />
gamwvavdeba. diax, qveyana CixSia da<br />
yvelaferi Tavze Camogvengreva,<br />
magram vimedovneb, xelisufleba-<br />
Sic aris iseTi vinme, vinc gons<br />
moegeba!<br />
_ naTqvamia, zogi Wiri marge-<br />
beliao. hoda, yvelaferi es,<br />
razedac vsaubrobT, oqruaSvilsa<br />
da mis „gamarjvebul saqarTve-<br />
los” e. w. mesame Zalad xom ar<br />
aqcevs?<br />
_ ase ar ganvixilav, mesame Zala<br />
vinme gaxdeba Tu ara, magram „gamarjvebuli<br />
saqarTvelos” prezentacia<br />
16 ivniss iyo da Tve-naxevarSi<br />
oqruaSvili xelisuflebisTvis<br />
saSiSi gaxda! amas, ar mgonia,<br />
kidev ramis damateba sWirdebodes.<br />
am qveynisTvis irakli<br />
oqruaSvilis saWiroeba sazogadoebam,<br />
mgoni, Zalian kargad dainaxa<br />
da momavalSi kidev ufro<br />
metad dainaxavs!<br />
_ „gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”<br />
saSiSi mxolod xelisuflebisTvisaa<br />
Tu opozicis nawil-<br />
isTvisac?<br />
_ ar vici... saSiSs ver vityvi,<br />
Tumca opoziciisTvis „gamarjvebuli<br />
saqaTvelo”, albaT, ufro<br />
gamowvevaa. sxvaTa Soris, opoziciis<br />
Zalian didi mxardaWera gvaqvs<br />
_ 24 saaTi TanamSromlobis<br />
reJimSi varT, Tumca Tu Sors<br />
wavediT, aravin icis, ra iqneba.<br />
_ „Sors wasvlaSi” ras gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ Tundac arCevnebs, Tumca manamde<br />
didi droa. dRes ki opozicias<br />
madlobas vuxdi, radgan am<br />
dReebSi srul Tanadgomas<br />
vgrZnobT!<br />
_ Tanadgomas bokerias gun-<br />
disganac grZnobT?<br />
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, bokeriam<br />
da ugulavam gancxadebebi gaakeTes,<br />
rac oqruaSvilis mimarT<br />
solidarobis dasturia.<br />
_ ana, emociebis gareSe rom<br />
mipasuxoT: „rusTavi 2" imad Rirda,<br />
rom oqruaSvili cixeSi wa-<br />
suliyo?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvelaferi<br />
Rirs, roca saqme Tavisufal<br />
sityvasa da qveyanas exeba!<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” daxSobiT Tavisufali<br />
sityva ixSoba!<br />
„rusTavi 2" erTaderT SemTxvevaSi<br />
ar Caqreba _ Tu Tavis realur<br />
mesakuTres, irakli oqruaSvils<br />
daubrundeba, romelic<br />
„rusTavi 2-s” ar ganixilavs,<br />
rogorc komerciul da bizneskompanias,<br />
aramed rogorc Tavisuflebisa<br />
da damoukideblobis garantsa<br />
da platformas.<br />
metic, irakli oqruaSilma<br />
ramdenjerme gaakeTa gancxadeba,<br />
rom „rusTavi 2-is” dabrunebisTanave<br />
mas sakuTrebaSi „rusTaviorelebs”<br />
gadascems, rogorc sazogadoebriv<br />
sikeTes, romelic<br />
kvlav gaagrZelebs Tavisuflebis<br />
medroSeobas saqarTvelosa da,<br />
saerTod, mTel regionSi!<br />
_ ki batono, „rusTavi 2"<br />
flagmania, magram am qveyanaSi<br />
Tavisufal sityvas veravin Caax-<br />
Sobs, radgan yvelafers Tavi rom<br />
davaneboT, arsebobs „qronika+”!<br />
mokled, politikuri vertikali,<br />
mgoni, Secdomas uSvebs, roca<br />
Tavisufali sityvis damcvelad<br />
mxolod erT mediasaSualebas<br />
acxadebs!<br />
_ politikuri vertikali diferenciacias<br />
yovelTvis axdens.<br />
ubralod, „rusTavi 2" mudam<br />
yuradRebis qveS iyo da es saqme<br />
gaxmaurebulia! ise, me Tu mkiTxavT,<br />
„ruTavi 2-ma” Tavisi resursi<br />
amowura, anu is saqme Seasrula,<br />
rac unda Seesrulebina, Tumca, ra<br />
Tqma unda, mivesalmebi, rom am<br />
arxma funqcionireba ise gaagrZelos,<br />
rogorc aqamde funqcionirebda!<br />
_ bolos, ana, rogor fiqrobT,<br />
saqarTvelo gaimarjvebs?<br />
_ dRes saqarTvelos sindisi,<br />
samwuxarod, arc erTi pirovneba<br />
araa, magram, sabednierod, dRes<br />
saqarTvelos sindisi ivnisis Taobaa,<br />
orive ivniss vgulixmob _ 13-<br />
sac da 20-sac. Tu 13 ivniss axalgazrdoba<br />
bunebriv stiqias ebrZoda,<br />
20-Si axalgazrdebi politikur<br />
stiqias SeebrZolnen da<br />
sakuTari qveynis Rirseba daicves!<br />
amitom 20 ivnisis Semdeg sruliad<br />
axali politikuri procesi<br />
daiwyo. Cveni dRevandeli da xvalindeli<br />
dRec swored es aris!<br />
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