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`20-ma ivnisma xelisuflebaSi SiSi warmoSva~<br />

me-15 gverdidan<br />

- es ar iyo Tavidan imis ganxilva,<br />

marTlac waarTves Tu ara<br />

qibar xalvaSs televizia, Tu<br />

nebayoflobiT gayida. man gayida<br />

da fulic gadauxades, magram<br />

qarTulma sasamarTlom CaTvala,<br />

rom es zewolis Sedegad<br />

moxda. iyo Tu ara qibar xalva-<br />

Si zewolis qveS, calsaxad amaze<br />

qibar xalvaSs gadawyvetileba<br />

ar miuRia. man, ubralod, daadgina,<br />

rom qarTul sasamarTlos<br />

am gadawyvetilebis miRebis<br />

dros aSkara darRvevebi ar hqonia.<br />

es iyo evropuli sasamarTlos<br />

verdiqtis Sinaarsi. me es<br />

verdiqti wavikiTxe, ar var kompetenturi<br />

im kuTxiT, rom iuridiul-teqnikuri<br />

sakiTxebi<br />

detalurad ganvixilo. Ziri-<br />

Tadad verdiqtSi saubaria teqnikur<br />

sakiTxebze, magaliTad:<br />

ramdenad swori iyo yadaRis<br />

dadeba im momentSi da a. S. aseT<br />

dros SesaZloa, mosamarTleebis<br />

ganwyobasac hqondes mniSvneloba.<br />

faqtia, rom erT-erTi<br />

mosamarTle ar daeTanxma Tavis<br />

kolegebs da gansxvavebuli azri<br />

daafiqsira. radgan es erTi ar<br />

daeTanxma, SegviZlia vivaraudoT,<br />

rom mosamarTleebis sxva<br />

SemadgenlobaSi am erTi mosamarTlis<br />

azri umravlesobaSi<br />

yofiliyo. arsebobs azri, rom<br />

SeiZleboda, „rusTavi 2-is” iuristebs<br />

ufro Zlieri sarCeli<br />

moemzadebinaT. aseT SemTxveva-<br />

Si mniSvnelovania, konkretulad<br />

raze edavebi sasamarTlos. albaT,<br />

SesaZlebelia, sxva Sedegic<br />

yofiliyo strasburgSi. amis<br />

ganmsjeli me ar var, magram faqtia,<br />

rom strasburgSi saqmis Sinaarsobrivi<br />

ganxilva ar iyo,<br />

qarTulma sasamarTlom ganixila<br />

Sinaarsobrivad, evropulma<br />

sasamarTlom ki ver ipova iseTi<br />

argumentebi, romelic daadasturebda,<br />

rom mosamarTle mikerZoebuli<br />

iyo. erTsa da imave<br />

saqmeze, SesaZloa, keTilsindisier<br />

iuristebs sxvadasxva azri<br />

hqondeT da sxvadasxvanairad<br />

afasebdnen. amitom ar aris aucilebeli,<br />

rom politikuri mikerZoebuloba<br />

an korufcia vigulisxmoT<br />

strasburgis sasamarTlos<br />

SemTxvevaSi, magram ganwyobas<br />

mniSvneloba aqvs. magaliTs<br />

mogiyvanT: fsiqologebma israelis<br />

probaciis sasamarTloze<br />

eqsperimenti Caatares, _ udos<br />

komisia mxolod am mimarTulebiT<br />

ixilavs saqmeebs, mosamar-<br />

Tleebs bevri saqme aqvT, TiTos<br />

10-15 wuTs andomeben. eqsperimentis<br />

dros gamoiTvales lan-<br />

Camde 2 saaTiT adre da lanCis<br />

Semdeg miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi,<br />

anu mSier da maRZar kuWze<br />

miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi Seadares.<br />

mrogorc aRmoCnda, ma-<br />

ZRar kuWze gacilebiT keTilebi<br />

iyvnen mosamarTleebi da bevr<br />

adamians aZlevdnen probacias,<br />

roca mSivrebi iyvnen, bevr negatiur<br />

gadawyvetilebas iRebdnen.<br />

amdenad, es ar niSnavs, rom vinme<br />

gia nodia: `SiSi<br />

xandaxan agresias<br />

badebs. imisTvis,<br />

rom es SiSi<br />

damalo, Setevaze<br />

unda gadaxvide~<br />

`xelisuflebas maSinve gauxsenes, 2009 wels<br />

"saknebis qalaqi" rom iyo, am periodSi lari ar<br />

gaufasurebulao, amitom ubralod gamosvlebis<br />

faqti arafers aniSnavs~<br />

moqrTamuli iyo. anu eqsperimentma<br />

daadastura, rom ganwyobas<br />

didi mniSvneloba aqvs iseT<br />

dros, roca saqme calsaxa araa<br />

da SeiZleba, sxvadasxvanairad<br />

dainaxo. Cemi azriT, strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi ufro ganwyobis<br />

ambavi iyo, vidre mosyidvis.<br />

_ am yvelafris paralelurad<br />

larma gaufasurebis rekordi<br />

moxsna, xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi<br />

ki am faqts dRem-<br />

de 20 ivnisis movlenebsa da<br />

opozicias abralebs, ramdenad<br />

logikuria es argumenti?<br />

_ gasagebia, rom politikuri<br />

krizisi moqmedebs larze, magram<br />

politikuri krizisi opoziciis<br />

bralia Tu xelisuflebis?!<br />

xelisuflebam Tavad aRiara,<br />

rom gavrilovis parlamentis<br />

Tavmjdomaris skamze dasma<br />

Secdoma iyo da mas SeeSala. Tu<br />

mas SeeSala, e. i. xelisuflebis<br />

Secdomaze xalxis reaqcia swori<br />

yofila. Sesabamisad, aqciebi<br />

xelisuflebis bralia, Tavad<br />

aRiareben im mizezis samarTlianobas,<br />

ris gamoc xalxi quCaSi<br />

gamovida. ase rom, opoziciisken<br />

xelis gaSvera Zlieri argumenti<br />

ar aris. xelisuflebas maSinve<br />

gauxsenes, 2009 wels „saknebis<br />

qalaqi” rom iyo, am period-<br />

Si lari ar gaufasurebulao,<br />

amitom ubralod gamosvlebis<br />

faqti arafers niSnavs. am SiSs<br />

iwvevs TviTon xelisuflebis<br />

moqmedeba da maTi arastabilurobis<br />

gancda, amas ver daabraleb<br />

opozicias. gasagebia, rom<br />

20 ivnisis Rames policiasTan<br />

Sexla-Semoxla moxda, magram<br />

amis Semdeg sruliad mSvidobiani<br />

gamosvlebia, mTavrobis gadadgomas<br />

aravin moiTxovs, ubralod,<br />

gaxarias gadadgomas moi-<br />

Txoven konkretuli saqmis gamo.<br />

_ 20 ivnisamde vrceldeboda<br />

informacia, rom gaxaria premier-ministri<br />

gaxdeboda, Tum-<br />

ca „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg<br />

viTareba radikalurad Seicva-<br />

la, ratom ver Tmobs gaxarias<br />

ivaniSvili?<br />

_ 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma<br />

aCvena, rom vin aris premier-ministri,<br />

amas didi mniSvneloba ar<br />

aqvs, yovel SemTxvevaSi, jerjerobiT,<br />

asea. faqtobrivad,<br />

baxtaZem darbevamde 15 wuTiT<br />

adre ganacxada, rom rezinis<br />

tyviebi maTi xelwera ar aris,<br />

Tumca 15 wuTSi aqciis darbeva<br />

daiwyo. es niSnavs, rom baxtaZes<br />

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. aseTi<br />

mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba<br />

miiRes, es miiRo gaxariam, cxadia<br />

ivaniSvilTan SeTanxmebiT,<br />

magram premierTan SeTanxmeba<br />

azradac ar mosvlia. e. i. ivaniSvils<br />

awyobs es viTareba, rom<br />

realurad gaxaria gacilebiT<br />

Zlieri politikuri figuraa,<br />

vidre baxtaZe. Tumca baxtaZes<br />

premier-ministri hqvia, gaxarias<br />

_ Ss ministri. molodini, rom<br />

gaxaria premier-ministri gaxdeboda,<br />

maincdamainc Zlier arumentebs<br />

ar emyareboda, es ufro<br />

emyareboda im mosazrebas, rom<br />

premier-ministri Zlieri figura<br />

unda iyos, magram ivaniSvili<br />

ar fiqrobs, rom premier-ministri<br />

Zlieri figura unda iyos.<br />

aRmoCnda, rom gaxaria aRmasrulebel<br />

xelisuflebaSi yvelaze<br />

didi ndobiT sargeblobs<br />

da, faqtobrivad, is aris pirveli<br />

kaci aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi.<br />

rac Seexeba imas, Tu<br />

ratom ar Tmoben gaxarias, aq<br />

ori faqtoria: erTi, rom mar-<br />

Tlac gaxarias endoba ivaniSvili,<br />

is xedavs, rom Zlieri adamianebi<br />

ar hyavs xelisufleba-<br />

Si. vano merabiSvils xerxemali<br />

erqva, rogorc Cans, politikuri<br />

sistemaa iseTi, rom Ss ministri,<br />

faqtobrivad, xelisuflebis<br />

xerxemalia. amitomac ivaniSvili<br />

fiqrobs, rom gaxaria unda<br />

iyos am postze. meore mxriv,<br />

SeiZleba, CaeTvalaT, rom gaxarias<br />

daTmoba metismeti sisustis<br />

gamoCena iqneboda da radgan Setevaze<br />

gadasvla gadawyvites,<br />

ufro logikuria es Setevebi<br />

gaxarias argadadgomis pirobeb-<br />

Si.<br />

_ kuluarebSi gavrcelebuli<br />

informaciiT, biZina ivaniSvili<br />

Semodgomaze premier-ministris<br />

rangSi dabrundeba. ramdenad<br />

realuri ggoniaT ivaniSvilis<br />

premier-ministrad dabruneba?<br />

_ arc me da arc sxva vinmes<br />

uwinaswarmetyvelia ivaniSvilis<br />

„dabruneba” partiis Tavmjdomared,<br />

es sruliad moulodneli<br />

iyo. arc is Cans, ra xeiri<br />

miiRo ivaniSvilma an partiam am<br />

nabijiT. man im momentSi Caaqro<br />

Sida partiuli problema, magram<br />

Semdeg mainc gaeqca partiidan<br />

xalxi. ar Cans, rom partia<br />

Sekruli yofiliyo, Tundac<br />

ivaniSvilis dabrunebis Semdeg.<br />

SeiZleba, ivaniSvili daarwmunon,<br />

rom misi premieroba ukeTesi<br />

iqneba arCevnebis mosagebad.<br />

amitom SeiZleba premier-ministris<br />

postze „dabrunebis” gadawyvetileba<br />

miiRos an SeiZleba<br />

arc miiRos. SeiZleba mas egonos,<br />

rom misi premier-ministrobis<br />

SemTxvevaSi 2020 wels „qar-<br />

Tuli ocnebis” umravlesobaSi<br />

mosvlis Sansi gaizardos, magram,<br />

ra Tqma unda, es „qarTuli<br />

ocnebis” gamarjvebis garantia<br />

ver iqneba, rogorc misi partiis<br />

Tavmjdomared „dabruneba”<br />

ver aRmoCnda partiis SigniT<br />

winaaRmdegobebis gadaWris garantia,<br />

aseve aranairi garantia<br />

ar aris imisa, rom xalxi daijerebs,<br />

radgan biZina dabrunda,<br />

saqme kargad wavao.<br />

_ miT umetes, ivaniSvils<br />

erTwliani piroba dadebuli<br />

aqvs...<br />

_ erTwliani piroba dadebulia.<br />

male gava es erTi weli. rom<br />

dabrundes, kidev erTi piroba<br />

unda dados, axla mainc vizam ra-<br />

Racaso. Semodgomaze Tu dabrunda,<br />

gazafxulisTvis ukve ra-<br />

Rac Sedegi unda iyos, radgan<br />

xalxma CaTvalos, rom mis dabrunebas<br />

dadebiTi Sedegi mohyva.<br />

ivaniSvili Tu ramis mimRwevi<br />

iyo, mas Semdeg, rac erTwliani<br />

piroba dado, aqamdec miaRwevda.<br />

wesiT, unda gamoCeniliyo, risi<br />

mimRwevic iyo. premier-ministrs<br />

dairqmevs Tu ara, amas arsebiTi<br />

mniSvneloba ar aqvs.<br />

`gaaCnia, xazaraZe rogor moiqceva, vis<br />

daiyenebs gverdiT, rogor warmarTavs Tavis<br />

politikur saqmianobas, magram sastarto<br />

kapitali mas namdvili aqvs. proporciul<br />

arCevnebSi, roca SesaZloa, 5, 10 an 15%-s<br />

gadamwyveti mniSvneloba hqondes, xazaraZe<br />

xelisuflebisTvis saxifaTo politikuri<br />

figura gaxdeba~<br />

30<br />

30 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.

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