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damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da-
badebulma Taobam icis Tavisuflebis fasi, es Taoba yovelTvis
dgas qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze. Tu vinmes eWvi epareboda
Cveni Taobis patriotizmSi, 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma dagvanaxa,
rom gulanTebuli axalgazrdebi sakuTari sicocxliT riskavd-
nen qveynis interesebis dacvas, _ diax, es aris 13 ivnisis Taoba.
13 ivnisis Taobis warmomadgenelia giorgi TaqTaqiSvili,
romelic „kantis akademiis” pirobebSi momavali Taobis ganaTlebaze
zrunavs. rogorc Tavad ambobs, gamousworebeli optimisti
da idealistia, mas sjera damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da-
badebuli pirveli Taobis. ra gamowvevebis winaSe dgas da ra
SesaZleblobebi aqvs 13 ivnisis Taobas da ramdenad mniSvnelo-
vania sajaro politikaSi axalgazrdebis CarTuloba? rogoria
Cveni qveynis xvalindeli Taobis potenciali?
am da sxva mniSvnelovan Teme-
bze „qronika+~ „kantis akademiis”
aRmasrulebel direqtor giorgi
TaqTaqiSvils esaubra:
_ qarTveli axalgazrdebis
umravlesoba aRniSnavs, rom mTa-
vari gamowveva ganaTlebis sistemaa.
eTanxmebiT Tu ara am pozi-
cias da rogor fiqrobT, ra aris
Cveni qveynis axalgazrdebis mTa-
vari problema?
_ axalgazrdebze yovelTvis
vambob, rom Tavisufal saqarTveloSi
dabadebuli pirveli Taobaa,
romelmac unda Seqmnas damoukidebeli
qarTuli saxelmwifo. miuxedavad
imisa, rom sabWoTa kavSiri
oficialurad 1991 wels daingra,
Cven axla gvaqvs Sansi, sabWoTa kav-
Siris nangrevebze Tavisufali,
damoukidebeli saxelmwifo avaSenoT,
swored im axalgazrdebma,
romlebic davibadeT Tavisufal
saqarTveloSi. rac Seexeba gamowvevas,
ra Tqma unda, Cveni qveynis
fundamenturi gamowveva ganaTlebis
sistemaa, magram mTavari gamowveva
aris Tavisuflebis sworad
aRqma da im Rirebulebis gaazreba,
razedac unda davafuZnoT Tanamedrove
qarTuli saxelmwifo,
romelic, adre Tu gvian, samSvidobos
unda gavides. aucileblad
unda gamovideT am mojadoebuli
wridan da warmatebis, dasavlur,
Seuqcevad gzaze davdgeT.
_ axalgazrdebze saubrisas
maT xSirad moixsenieben 13 ivni-
sis Taobis saxeliT, gavixsenoT 13
ivnisi, 20 ivnisis Rame, Cvenma Taobam
saTanado samoqalaqo pasux-
ismgebloba gamoavlina, Cven vnax-
eT axalgazrdebis gulwrfeli
protesti. rogor fiqrobT, ram-
denad aqvs Cvens Taobas imis res-
ursi, rom qveyana swori mimarTu-
lebiT waviyvanoT?
_ saintereso kiTxvaa. Cven varT
is Taoba, romelic sabWoTa kav-
Siris nangrevebze Rrmad konservatorul
sazogadoebaSi gavizardeT
_ maSin, rodesac qarTuli
saxelmwifo, faqtobrivad, CamoSlili
iyo. Cven vizrdebodiT iseT
sazogadoebaSi, sadac Cveni misamarTiT
ambobdnen, rom Turme patriotizmi,
ganaTleba gvaklda, Turme
ar gvqonda is muxti da emocia,
rac qveynis asaSeneblad iyo saWiro.
xSirad gvsmenia Cveni mSoblebisa
da maTi mSoblebis mxridan
Cveni misamarTiT: „ra Taoba modis”.
gvesmoda msgavsi frazebi da 13
ivnisamde frTxilad, moTminebiT
mivediT. 13 ivnisi ki iyo erTgvari
TviTprezentacia im Taobisa, romelsac
Zalian bevri weli akritikebda
ufrosi Taoba, romelmac
Zalian bevr dapirispirebaSi amyofa
qveyana, maT Soris, samoqalaqo
omSi. 13 ivnisis Taoba ki aris feradi,
Tavisufali Taoba, romelic
uTqmelad, Cumad, yvelanairi
yvirilis gareSe gamovida da saqme
gaakeTa. swored, am dros gaCnda
imedis naperwkali, rom SeiZleba
Tavisufal saqarTveloSi dabadebulma
Taobam qveyanas raRac sasargeblo
gaukeTos. 13 ivnisis Semdeg
ki Cveni Taobis mimarT sayve-
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durebi Semcirda. piradad me gamiCnda
imedi, rom ar varT marto da
erTmaneTis TanadgomiT SeiZleba
es qveyana samSvidobos gaviyvanoT.
13 ivnisis Semdeg, roca qveyanas
rTuli periodebi hqonda, magali-
Tad, gavrilovis viziti, razedac
gadioda saxelmwifos Rirsebis sakiTxi,
es axalgazrdebi yovelTvis
idgnen qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze.
es aris nela, magram mizanmimarTulad
moZravi energia, romelic
erT mSvenier dRes Tavis Seuqcevad,
mdgradi ganviTarebis kalapotSi
Cadgeba da Cvens qveyanas absoluturad
yvela sferoSi moedebian
13 ivnisis Taobis axalgazrdebi,
romlebic erToblivad SeZleben
qveynis ganviTarebis swor kalapotSi
Cayenebas. im metastazebis
gadineba da alagmva, rac sabWoTa
kavSiris dangrevis Semdeg darCa
da yvela sferoSi vxvdebiT, swored,
„13 ivnisis Taobas” SeuZlia.
Cems megobrebTan erTad videqi 13
ivniss da 20 ivnissac, me minda Cemi
Tanatolebis mimarT Tqveni gaze-
Tis saSualebiT didi pativiscema
gamovxato da Tanadgoma gamovucxado
maT. aseTi kiTxva ismis xSirad:
„gveSveleba rame?!” ukve gveSvela,
amaSi 13 ivnissac da gavrilovis
Ramesac davrwmundi. ubralod,
yvelafers dro unda, rom „aRsruldes
neba qarTvelTa” da qveyana
ganviTarebis Seuqcevad gzas
Seudges. Cvens Taobas saSualeba
aqvs, dasavleTSi miiRos ganaTleba,
Cvens dros Semovida interneti,
Cven viciT Tavisuflebisa da
im Rirebulebebis fasi, razedac
dgas yvelaze warmatebuli qveynebi,
saiTac viyurebiT. Cven maRali
moTxovnebi da maRali Tamasa gvaqvs,
dRevandeli politikuri elita
ki araTu ver akmayofilebs qveyanaSi
arsebul gamowvevebs, aramed
Zalian CamorCeba kidec. Cemi azriT,
Cvenma Taobam Zalian gauswro
qveyanaSi Seqmnil dRis wesrigs da
amitom aris sruli disonansi Taobebs
Soris. Tumca sruli mzaoba
gvaqvs imisa, rom araTu es xidCatexiloba
gavaRrmavoT, aramed
Cveni codna da gamocdileba efeqtianad
gamoviyenoT qveynis saSeneblad.
_ aRniSneT, rom arsebuli
politikuri elita ver pasuxobs
gamowvevebs. am pirobebSi ramde-
nad mniSvnelovania politikaSi
axali saxeebis gamoCena? cxadia,
ar vgulisxmob mdinaraZe-Tala-
kvaZis msgavs saxeebs, romlebic
„qarTuli ocnebis” ruporebad
iqcnen.
_ didi xania, axali saxeebis
gamoCenaze saubroben, magram es
procesi bunebrivad unda moxdes.
„qarTulma ocnebam” 2016 wels Tavisi
gundi „axali saxeebiT” daakompleqta,
parlamentis TavmjdomariT
dawyebuli, wamyvani TanamdebobebiT
dasrulebuli. sul „axali
saxeebi” hyavdaT, isini iq bunebrivad
ar moxvedrilan, ubralod,
maT simbolurad politikuri makiaJi
gaukeTes da Tqves, rom „axali
saxeebi” ariano. amitomac ar imuSava
aman. axali saxeebi bunebrivad
Cndebian. „gavrilovis Rames” Cvenma
Tavisufalma Taobam bunebrivad
Caanacvla is politikur-sazogadoebrivi
elita, romelic aqamde
idga parlamentis win. am axalgazrdebma
„Zalaufleba” bunebrivad
aiRes xelSi, es axalgazrdebi
giorgi TaqTaqiSvili:
`Cvenma Taobam
qveyanaSi
Seqmnil dRis
wesrigs
gauswro~
iqnebian is axali saxeebi, romlebzedac
momavalSi fsoni unda daidos.
axalgazrdas pijaks rom CavacmevT
da politikosis regalias
davumatebT, es ar aris axali saxe,
axali saxe CemTvis axal xedvas,
axal gamocdilebasa da Rirebulebebs
niSnavs. me minda profesionalebi
da ara komkavSirlebi, romlebic
ubralod sityvebs kargad
abamen erTmaneTze. Cven gvWirdeba
axali saqmis mkeTeblebi, romelTac
kargad aqvT gaazrebuli, am 30
wlis ganmavlobaSi ra ar mogvewona,
ra iyo cudi da momavalSi saiT
da rogor unda viaroT. Cveni Taoba
ukve im asakSi varT, roca damoukideblad
vcxovrobT, vqmniT
ojaxs, gvaqvs Cveni biznesi, viRebT
gadawyvetilebebs, magaliTad, rogorc,
Tavis droze, qmnida daviT
usufaSvili „saias”, an xazaraZe
„Tibisis”, analogiurad vqmniT
Cvenc Cvens organizaciebs da
swored Cveni saqmeebiT unda SemovideT
sajaro politikaSi.
_ Tqven xSirad giwevT mozard-
ebTan muSaoba, ra potenciali
aqvs momaval Taobas?
_ „kantis akademia” dRes lideri
platformaa mozardebisTvis,
sadac 1 wlis ganmavlobaSi 1000-
mde bavSvi iyris Tavs da 17 wlamde
axalgazrdebisTvis 20-mde saganmanaTleblo
proeqti gvaqvs.
sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vacxadeb,
rom damoukidebel saqarTveloSi
dabadebuli yoveli momdevno
Taoba aucileblad sjobs
wina Taobas, sjobs SesaZleblobebiT,
xedvebiT, bevrad ufro Tavisufali
da kreatiulia. „kantis akademia”
aris is platforma, sadac
Tavisufali Taoba izrdeba. dRes
Tu rame maZlevs am qveynaSi darCenis
saSualebas da Tu ukeTesi cvlilebebis
imedi maqvs, _ es aris is
aTasobiT axalgazrda „kantSi”,
romelic mzad aris Secvalos qveynis
dRis wesrigi geziT _ Tavisuflebisken.
maT aqvT uzarmazari
potenciali, rogorc unar-Cvevebis,
aseve xedvis doneze. maTTan
vmuSaobT kreatiuli azrovnebis
kuTxiT, aseve vamuSavebT biznesideebs
da gvaqvs aseve politikis,
analitikis, diplomatiis, logikis
skolebi. vcdilobT SevqmnaT is
dRis wesrigi, romelSic cxovreba
xval mogvewoneba. Tu mekiTxebiT,
aris Tu ara potenciali, Tamamad
gpasuxobT, _ uzarmazari potencialia.
es aris Taoba, romelic gamoiyenebs
qveynis Taroze Semodebul
SesaZleblobas.
_ axseneT aseTi fraza: „Tu
rame maZlebinebs am qveyanaSio”, _
axalgazrdebis didi nawili qvey-
nidan garbis, ramdenad sagangaSo
ggoniaT es problema? aseve aris
mosazreba, rom „nacionaluri
moZraobis” dros axalgazrdebi
ufro xedavdnen persperqtivas
Cvens qveyanaSi. eTanxmebiT Tu ara
am pozicias?
_ qveyana namdvilad dgas stresis
zRvarze. socialur qselSi
posti davwere kidec, _ iseTi gancda
maqvs, 3 milioni qarTveli saba-
Joze dgas da SesaZlebloba rom
hqondeT, erTbaSad datovebdnen
qveyanas, minimum 1 kviriT mainc,
rom am stress gaeridon-meTqi. axalgazrdebi
uyureben, sad midis
msoflio, qarTvelebs ki bunebrivad
gvaqvs Tavisuflebisken swrafva
da saukeTesoebi gvinda viyoT.
SeuZlebelia, qarTveli axalgazrda
TanxvedraSi iyos Tavisi Sesa-
ZleblobebiT da unarebiT Cveni
qveynis arsebul draivTan. Cvens
qveyanas arc draivi aqvs da arc mizani.
miuxedavad imisa, rom me mTeli
ojaxiT wina xelisuflebis aqtiur
opoziciaSi viyavi da dRemde
yovelTvis vambob, rom saakaSvilis
xelisuflebam bevri ramiT
daaziana qveyana, magram Tu „ocnebas”
vadarebT saakaSvilis xelisuflebas,
saakaSvilis dros qveyanas
sajaro politikaSi mizani mainc
hqonda, oRond am miznisken saakaSvili
ise mirboda, rom am sirbil-
Si gadagvCexa da dagvaziana. Tumca
am xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT
is mirboda mainc, eseni araTu
sadme mirbian, aramed erT adgilze
dganan da mindorSi xan marjvniv,
xan marcxniv iyurebian. dRes qveyana
ar moZraobs, metic, SeiZleba
vTqvaT, rom ukan midis. erTi nabiji
win, ori _ ukan, _ aseTi mocemuloba
gvaqvs. yvelas Tavisi gaWirveba
da gamowveva aqvs, amitom
yvelas gmirobas ver movTxovT, axalgazrdebs
surT, daagrovon codna,
ganviTardnen rogorc pirovnulad,
ise finansurad, Seqmnan
ojaxi da a. S. xandaxan ar aqvT adamianebs
imis fufuneba, rom iseT
xelisuflebas daelodon, romelic
met draivs Semoitans qveyanaSi
da qveynis ganviTarebaze izrunebs.
amitom bevri gadis qveynidan, Cemi
megobrebidan yoveli meore ucxoeTSia
da iq muSaobs. Tu 10 wlis
winaT Cems megobrebTan erTad
vsaubrobdiT, ra proeqtebi gagvekeTebina
da ra aqtivobebSi CavrTuliyaviT,
dRes Cvens megobrul
„birJaze”, ZiriTadad, imaze vsaubrobT,
vin romel qveyanaSi wavideT,
viza rogor aviRoT, sad viswavloT
da a. S. es umZimesi realobaa,
romlis winaSec qveyana dgas, magram
gulwrfelad mjera, vinc
idealistebi varT, am rubikons
aucileblad gadavlaxavT da darwmunebuli
var, Zalian bevri dabrundeba
mas Semdeg, rac qveyanaSi
draivi iqneba. namdvilad ver vusayvedureb
maT, vinc ver gauZlo da
wavida qveynidan, isini did codnasa
da gamocdilebas daagroveben,
rogorc ki qveyana maT dauZaxebs,
aucileblad dabrundebian. rac
Seexeba politikur periods, vfiqrob,
gardamavali periodia, raRac
axali unda daibados. is, rac
axla gvWirs, es aris „samSobiaro
tkivilebi”, radgan ibadeba Tavisufleba
_ yvelaze didi da Rirebuli
ram. Tavisufleba, romelic
niWieri bavSvi iqneba da yvela er-
Tad gavzrdiT. saqarTvelos mojadoebul
wres axali adamianebi
gaarRveven, romlebic etapobrivad
sxvadaxva sferoebs Caibareben.
sajaro politika aris qveynis orientiri,
Tumca am etapze me vakeTeb
„kants”, Tqven gaakeTebT „qronika+”-s,
Cvens produqtebs ukve etyoba
axali xedvebi. ramdeni startapia,
ramdeni geniosi bavSvi
gvyavs, romlebic NASA-Si saocrebebs
akeTeben, amitom nu davelodebiT,
rom xuWuWa parlamentis
Tavmjdomare gveyoleba da Cvens
gasakeTebels is gaakeTebs. Cven ar
unda mivaCerdeT parlamentis tribunas,
movida axalgazrda Tmaxu-
WuWa, konstitucionalisti kobaxiZe
da yvelani gaRimebulebi dagvtova,
rac adeiSvil-saakaSvil-ivaniSvils
ar uqnia erTad, am kacma
gagvikeTa. mamuka baxtaZe axalgazrda
kacia, is qveynis „mTavari specialistia”,
araTu premier-ministria,
aramed premier-ministris
aparatSi muSaobs. amitom qveyanas
Secvlis foni, fonis Secvlas ki
garkveuli dro sWirdeba. miuxedavad
bevri sirTulisa, rac politikaSic
gaviare, mainc warmoudgenlad
idealisti var. 13 ivnisis
Taoba da „gavrilovis Rames” TvalebdaTxrili
axalgazrdebi CemTvis
swored idealizmTan asocirdeba.
es idealebi gagviyvans samSvidobos.
mesame Zala iciT, vin aris?
_ gverdiT, rom gavixedavT da
„kantis akademia” saocrebebs ake-
Tebs, mesame Zalis 10% am saqmiT
modis, 10% „qronika+”-ia da a. S.,
bolo 10-20% iqneba politika, romelSic
Rirseuli adamianebi movlen.
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