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nene injgia 591 71 39 98 rusTavelze, parlamentis Seno- bis win, Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias gadadgomis moTxovniT aqciebi kvlav grZeldeba, Tumca Secvlili formatiT. aqciis erT-erT organizator SoTa diRmelaSvils parlamentis win gadacema mihyavs, romelic socialur qselSi sxvadasxva gver- dze vrceldeba. miuxedavad imisa, rom protesti ukve 1 Tveze metia, grZeldeba, moTxovna jer kidev ar aris Sesrulebuli. am procesis paralelurad ki opozicioneri liderebis mimarT sisxlis samarTlebrivi devna grZeldeba, lari gaufasurebis rekords xsnis da Seqmnili realobis fonze aqciis mTavari monapovari _ 2020 wels proporciul sistemaze gadasvla _ top Temebis CamonaTvalSi aRar aris. ra saxiT ganaxldeba aqciebi seqtembridan? rogoria mTavari opoziciuri Zalis politikuri gegmebi? rogor gaagrZelebs gaerTianebuli opozicia 2020 wlisTvis mzadebas da ratom aRar aqtiurobs „nacionaluri moZraoba” proporciul sistemaze gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT? aRniSnul Temebze „qronika+~ „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevr, deputat salome samadaSvils es- aubra: _ Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias moTxovniT aqciebi erT Tveze metia, parlamentis win imarTeba, Tumca Cven vxedavT, rom aqciebi sakmaod mcirericxovani gaxda. rogorc organizatorebi am- boben, es zafxulis sezoniT aris ganpirobebuli, xelisufleba ki aqciis monawileTa Semcirebas Tavis sasargeblod aRiqvams, rogor xedavT am procesebs, ramdenad didi Sansia, rom es muxti ganaxldes? _ aqciis organizatorebi, iseve rogorc Cvens qveyanaSi arsebuli yvela politikuri aqtori, fiqrobs, rom seqtembridan aucilebelia am aqciebis ganaxleba da mniSvnelovani iqneba, Cvenma sazogadoebamac gaacnobieros, rom realurad sazogadoebrivi zewolis gareSe ivaniSvili ar apirebs ramis Secvlas, piriqiT SesaZloa, isic ki davkargoT, rasac dRemde mivaRwieT. ase rom, mas Semdeg, rac zafxulis periodi gadaivlis, imedi maqvs, moqalaqeebis aqtiuroba da CarTuloba iqneba. yovel SemTxvevaSi, vapirebT, aucileblad yvelaferi gavakeToT imisTvis, rom maqsimalurad mobilizebulad ganaxldes xalxis saprotesto talRa. _ Tqven aRniSneT, rom Tu sazogadoebrivi zewola ar iqneba, SesaZloa, isic ki davkargoT, rac movipoveT. erT-erT mTavar mo- napovrad swored proporciuli sistema iTvleba, Tumca am Temam TiTqos aqtualoba dakarga da opoziciac saTanadod ar aqtiurobs. ratom ar aqtiurobs opozicia da arsebobs Tu ara imis safrTxe, rom 2020 wlisTvis proporciul sistemaze gadasvla ver moxerxdes? _ proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis dapirebis Semdeg qveyanaSi bevri ram moxda. vgulisxmob politikur devnasa da daWerebs, aseve damoukidebeli televiziis, faqtobrivad, gauqmebas. vfiqrob, yvelas esmis, am politikur garemoSi, Tundac, proporciuli sistemiT arCevnebis Catareba Sei- Zleba sakmaod arasando iyos politikuri procesis TvalsazrisiT. ase rom, dRes aqtualuria is moTxovna, rac ucvlelad rCeba _ es aris gaxarias gadayeneba, garda amisa, Cven dRes erTiani ZalebiT unda davupirispirdeT im koordinebul, represiul politikur sistemas, romelic ivaniSvilma Seqmna qveyanaSi. _ gaxarias gadadgomis moTxovna ucvlelia, Tumca is dRem- de Ss ministria, rogor fiqrobT, 16 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com ratom ar Tmobs ivaniSvili gaxarias? _ vfiqrob, rom gaxaria ivaniSvilisTvis Tavisi sistemis Zalian mniSvnelovani elementia. rogorc Cans, Zalian naTeli gzavnilia is, rom ivaniSvili moqalaqeebis winaaRmdeg Zaladobrivi gziT apirebs xelisuflebis SenarCunebas. aseve, rogorc Cans, gaxaria sakmaod sando partnioria ivaniSvilis politikuri dakveTis TvalsazrisiT, vgulisxmob moskovs. Sesabamisad, is ivaniSvilisTvis advilad dasaTmobi kadri ar aris. _ gaxariasTan mimarTebiT opozicia xSirad axsenebs, rom is ruseTis kacia, gansakuTrebiT ki „nacionaluri moZraoba” saubrobT amaze. ra gaZlevT imis Tq- mis safuZvels, rom Ss ministri ruseTis interesebis gamtarebe- lia? _ gaxariam sakuTari kariera moskovSi gaikeTa. Cven viciT, ra sistemaa ruseTSi, viciT, rogor muSaobs ruseTis politikuri sistema, maT Soris, Tundac biznesis TvalsazrisiT. ar vfiqrob, rom gaxarias SeeZlo sakuTari saqmeebis awyoba Sesabamisi kav- Sirebis gareSe. _ Tqven axseneT, rom damoukidebeli media, „rusTavi 2", xelisuflebam, faqtobrivad, gaauqma. rogor SeafasebT strasburgis gadawyvetilebas, zogi miiCnevs, rom mosamarTleebi moisy- ides, rom postsabWoTa qveynis mosamarTleebma miiRes es gadawyvetileba da amitomac ar iyo samarTliani. ramdenad sworia msgavsi Sefasebebi da Seicavs Tu ara es damokidebuleba garkveul safrTxeebs? _ ar vfiqrob, rom rame safrTxes Seicavs damokidebuleba, TiTqos strasburgis sasamarTlos konkretul gadawyvetilebaze vinmes hqondes kritikuli Sefaseba. strasburgis sasamarTlos Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia gadawyvetilebebi, Semdeg ki istoriam gvaCvena, rom es gadawyvetileba ar iyo swori. ase rom, „wminda Zroxa”, ra Tqma unda, aravin aris, metic, „wminda Zroxac” ki ar aris wminda. yvelas kritika Sei- Zleba. xelisuflebam aikviata, rom ar SeiZleba strasburgis sasamarTlos gakritikeba. me vfiqrob, rom es gadawyvetileba, saboloo jamSi, aRmoCndeba _ cudi. am gadawyvetilebas Tavad evropelebic sakmaod gakvirvebulebi Sexvdnen, vgulisxmob evropel diplomatebs da a. S., ase rom, gadawyvetilebis kritika erTia, meore _ Tavdasxma strasburgis sasamarTloze, rogorc institutze. yovelTvis vambobdi da dResac vityvi, rom erTia, konkretu- `ivaniSvils salome samadaSvili: `qveyanas marTavs xelisufleba, romelic mizanmimarTulad ebrZvis yvelafers, rac mniSvnelovania Cveni qveynis siZlierisTvis~ li gadawyvetileba gaakritiko, meorea, Tavs daesxa instituts. Tanac, es aris miuRebeli. ra Tqma unda, sruliad gasagebia, rom konkretuli sasamarTlo gadawyvetileba SesaZloa, sxvadasxvanairad interpretirdes. am SemTxvevaSi me da aseve Zalian bevri adamiani fiqrobs, rom strasburgis es gadawyvetileba cudi iyo. rac Seexeba am gadawyvetilebas, Tu riT SeiZleba aixsnas igi, vfiqrob, rom am SemTxvevaSi „rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze sasamarTlos im konkretulma Semadgenlobam, romelmac es saqme gadawyvita, konservatoruli midgoma airCia. es konservatoruli midgoma, interpretaciis TvalsazrisiT, saboloo jamSi, Cvens qveyanaSi demokratiisTvis damazianebeli aRmoCnda. Cemi azriT, es ar iyo swori. mosamarTleebis sxva Semadgenloba rom yofiliyo, romelic sxva iuridiuli teqnikiTa da taqtikiT miudgeboda am saqmis ganxilvas, SesaZloa, sruliad sxva Sedegi migveRo. ubralod, vfiqrob, rom es aris konkretuli SemTxveva, rodesac, Cveni qveynisTvis samwuxarod, aRniSnuli meTodiT saqmis ganxilvam qveyanaSi demokratiis winaaRmdeg imuSava. _ mas Semdeg, rac „rusTavi 2- Si” qibar xalvaSi daubrunda, yvelas hqonda gancda, rom saredaqcio politika maSinve Seicvleboda, Tumca vxedavT, rom, jerjerobiT, televizia ganagrZobs arsebuli saredaqcio politikiT muSaobas, amitom gaCnda kiTxva, _ iqneb, sulac ar iyo xelisuflebis mizani „rusTavi 2-is” gaCume- `rogorc Cans, gaxaria sakmaod sando partnioria ivaniSvilis politikuri dakveTis TvalsazrisiT, vgulisxmob moskovs. Sesabamisad, is ivaniSvilisTvis advilad dasaTmobi kadri ar aris~ ba? ras ityviT amasTan dakav- SirebiT, Tu interesi aqvs xelisuflebas, ratom ar cvlis saredaqcio politikas? _ Cemi varaudiT, xalvaSi fiqrobs, rom es televizia gayidos da ase nel-nela CamoSalon arsebuli gundi, saredaqcio politikac. amisTvis, albaT, ramdenime Tve dasWirdebaT. rogorc Cans, gadawyvites, rom ase ufro rbilad gaauqmon arsebuli saredaqcio politika da „rusTavi 2", rogorc is televizia, romelsac sazogadoeba icnobda da uyvarda. rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, „rusTavi 2-is” CamoSlis Semdeg, vfiqrob, „rusTavi 2", realurad, Cvens qveyanaSi wlebis manZilze iyo saredaqcio politikisa da politikuri mimarTulebis mTavari prodasavluri platforma. Cven vnaxeT, „rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebul cvlilebebs rogori gamoxmaureba moyva ruseTis presaSi, „rusTavi 2"-ze saubroben rusi politikosebic ki. ase rom, am SemTxveva- Si safrTxe eqmneba ara romelime konkretul politikur Zalas, aramed ivaniSvili dRes prodasavlur platformas Slis. miuxedavad imisa, rom ar mgonia, Tanamedrove realobaSi ivaniSvilma Sei- Zleba alternatiuli sainformacio wyaroebi mospos, albaT, Seiqmneba kidec alternatiuli sainformacio wyaroebi. Cven movismineT gancxadebebi axali televiziis Seqmnis Taobaze, magram am istoriul momentSi „rusTavi 2-is” CamoSla Zalian did dartymas miayenebs qveyanas, mis evropul momavals da qveyanaSi prodasavlur Rirebulebebs, radgan alternatiuli sainformacio wyaroebis Seqmnas mainc garkveuli dro sWirdeba. „rusTavi 2-is” CamoSla didi dartyma iqneba Cveni sazogadoebisTvis, radgan garda prodasavluri kursisa, „rusTavi 2" aris is televizia, sadac yvelaze xSirad ismis mTavrobis safuZvliani kritika, Suqdeba is Temebi, rac sazogadoebas awuxebs da am yvelafris CamoSla sazogadoebriv interess Zalian seriozulad „urtyams”, radgan swored sazogadoebis interesSia, rom hyavdes mwvaved kritikuli mediasaSualeba, rogorc xelisuflebis erT-erTi 16 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com reputacia gaucamtverda~ makontrolebeli rgoli. _ Tqveni Tanagundeli nika melia SidapatimrobaSia, daakaves irakli oqruaSvilic. rogor fiqrobT, ras emsaxureba politikuri liderebis daWera da raze metyvelebs xelisuflebis mxridan msgavsi qmedebebi? _ Cven vxedavT da gamokiTxvebic amas adasturebs, rom ivaniSvilsa da mis politikur Zalas Cvens qveyanaSi mxardaWera aRar aqvs. misi politikuri partiis mxardaWera Zalian dabalia, ivani- Svilis mimarT ki sazogadoebaSi uzarmazri negativi arsebobs, bevrad ufro meti adamiani ivaniSvils negatiurad afasebs, vidre pozitiurad. ivaniSvils reputacia gaucamtverda. es yvelaferi ki moaswavebs mxolod erT rames, _ ivaniSvils Zalauflebis Senar- Cuneba Zalian gauWirdeba, amitom is axla fiqrobs, rom Tu politikuri moTamaSeebis ganeitralebas moaxerxebs, SeinarCunebs Zalauflebas. Cven vxedavT, rom nika melias man, faqtobrivad, SeuzRuda politikuri saqmianobis Sesa- Zleblobebi, aseve vxedavT, rom nika gvaramias winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi devnis procesis dawyebas fiqrobs; xelisufleba cdilobs, xeli SeuSalos gvaramias, rom gaagrZelos saqmianoba alternatiuli televiziis Seqmnis gziT. isini fiqroben, rom am Zaladobrivi xerxebiT pirdapir daanonsebuli politikuri teroriT, rodesac gamoacxades, rom gadatrialebis mcdeloba iyo qveyana- Si, vxedavT, rom iWeren aqciis monawileebs, rac erTaderT mizans emsaxureba, es sazogadoebisa da adamianebis dafrTxobaa, rom maT Tavi Seikavon aqtiuri poziciebis dafiqsirebisgan. realurad, qveyanaSi myardeba Zalian represiuli politikuri sistema, ivaniSvili fiqrobs, rom am represiuli politikuri sistemiT Se- Zlebs qveyanaSi Zalauflebis SenarCunebas, Tumca mas ar esmis, saqarTveloSi am meTodebiT Zalauflebis SenarCuneba araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar gamouva. es qveyana da Cveni sazogadoeba ukve sakmarisad aris ganviTarebuli, rom ivaniSvilma msgavsi gzebiT ver SeaCeros demokratiuli procesi. _ mamuka xazaraZis winaaRmde- gac daiwyo aqtiuri procesebi, mas giraoc Seufardes. rogor fiqrobT, aris Tu ara es ivaniSvilis mxridan misi, rogorc mo- mavali politikuri figuris ga- neitralebis mcdeloba? rogor SeafasebT mis politikaSi Semos- vlas da „nacionaluri moZraoba” ganixilavs Tu ara samomavlod masTan TanamSromlobas? _ mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari socialuri kapitaliT, igive finansuri SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa da a. S. Tu Semova politikur procesSi, umniSvnelo moTamaSe ar iqneba politikur velze. es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma da swored amitom daiwyo mis winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi devna. rac Seexeba Cvens SesaZlo aliansebs, yovelTvis vambobdiT da dResac igivea Cveni pozicia, rom N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. `strasburgis sasamarTlos Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia gadawyvetilebebi, Semdeg ki istoriam gvaCvena, rom es gadawyvetileba ar iyo swori. ase rom, "wminda Zroxa", ra Tqma unda, aravin aris, metic, "wminda Zroxac" ki ar aris wminda. yvelas kritika SeiZleba. xelisuflebam aikviata, rom ar SeiZleba strasburgis sasamarTlos gakritikeba~ ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg aucilebelia erTiani, prodasavluri frontis gaerTianeba. Sesabamisad, yvela politikuri moTamaSe, romelic sakuTari politikuri orientaciiT aris prodasavluri, Sesabamisad iziarebs Cvens ZiriTad xedvebs sagareo politikasTan dakavSirebiT. vfiqrob, aseT SemTxvevaSi erTmaneTi yvelam unda ganvixiloT mokavSired. Tu aqamde vinmes eWvi epareboda, bolo Tveebis manZilze Zalian naTeli gaxda, rom ivaniSvils, realurad, ufro da ufro swrafi tempebiT mihyavs saqarTvelos mosaxleoba swored iqiTken, saiTac umravlesobas wasvla ar unda, am SemTxvevaSi vgulisxmob ruseTs da ruseTis politikur-ekonomikuri zegavlenis aRdgenas qveyanaSi. _ sul ufro aqtualuri xdeba erovnuli valutis kursis Te- ma, larma gaufasurebis rekordi moxsna, am viTarebaSi ki xelisufleba swored opozicias akisrebs pasuxismgeblobas. xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebisgan vis- menT, rom Seqmnili krizisi opoziciis bralia. ras upasuxebT xelisuflebis am braldebas? _ laris progresuli gaufasureba dolarTan mimarTebiT ukve mravali welia, mimdinareobs `mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari socialuri kapitaliT, igive finansuri SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa da a. S. Tu Semova politikur procesSi, umniSvnelo moTamaSe ar iqneba politikur velze. es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma~ da es procesi swored im dRidan daiwyo, rodesac ivaniSvili qveyanaSi Zalauflebas daepatrona. es aris xelisuflebis mier gatarebuli politikis pirdapiri Sedegi. Cven vnaxeT, rom gasul dReeb- Si centralurma bankma intervecia ganaxorciela im rekomendaciebis Sesabamisad, romelic davafiqsireT, roman giciriZem sakmaod vrclad isaubra im nabijebze, romelic xelisuflebas unda gadaedga. es nabijebi gadadges da dRes davinaxeT, rom dastabilureba SeiniSneba. laris gaufasureba ki erTaderT rames niSnavs, _ qveyanas marTavs xelisufleba, romelic mizanmimarTulad ebrZvis yvelafers, rac mniSvnelovania Cveni qveynis siZlierisTvis, maT Soris, Cvens erovnul valutas. xelisufleba swor nabijebs rom dgamdes, es viTareba aqamde ar mividoda, magram veWvob, samwuxarod, biZina ivaniSvilis interesebi ar aris igive, rac Cveni xalxis interesebia, magaliTad, erovnuli valutis siZliere da ekonomikuri ganviTareba. rac ufro gaRatakebuli iqneba es qveyana da rac ufro meti adamiani icxovrebs siRaribis zRvars miRma, miT ufro iafi ujdeba ivaniSvils Zalauflebis SenarCuneba. is amas, samwuxarod, ase uyurebs. Zlieri da ganviTarebuli sazogadoeba, ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis politikur sistemas bevrad ufro swrafad daasamarebda, amitomac ivaniSvili gamiznulad aRaribebs qarTul sazogadoebas. es aris is realoba, romelsac vxedavT. _ bolo periodSi vrceldeba informacia, rom Semodgomaze premier-ministris posts biZina ivvaniSvili daikavebs. es gadawyvetileba Secvlis Tu ara dadebiTad „qarTuli ocnebis” politikur mocemulobas, Tu amas arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar eqneba? _ ivaniSvili Cvens saxelmwifo- Si imdenad diskreditebulia, rom is Seecada Seeqmna araformaluri mmarTvelobis sistema. TiTqos is sadRac imaleba da viRac sxvam unda marTos qveyana, magram xalxi Zalian brZenia da politikur pasuxismgeblobas swored ivaniSvils akisrebs imaze, rac qveyana- Si xdeba. ase rom, ivaniSvilis dabruneba aqtiur politikur asparezze arafers Secvlis. Cveni qveynisTvis da Cveni mosaxleobisTvis is ukve srulad diskreditebuli politikuri figuraa. _ im pirobebSi, roca SesaZloa, uaxloes periodSi Seicvalos „rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio politika, amis paralelurad ki aseve, SesaZloa, gagrZeldes opozicioneri politikuri liderebis dapatimrebis seria, am mocemu- lobaSi rogoria „nacionaluri moZraobis” samoqmedo gegma? je- rjerobiT „nacionaluri moZrao- ba” mTavar opoziciur Zalad ganixileba. rogor apirebT 2020 wlamde daupirispirdeT, rogorc ambobT, politikur repre- siebsa da ivaniSvilis reJims? _ Cven seqtembridan Zalian aqtiurad daviwyebT, pirvel rigSi, sazogadoebrivi azris mobilizebas. aqtiurad vimuSavebT regionebSi Cvens amomrCevlebTan, aseve gagrZeldeba aqciebi da sazogadoebis mobilizeba. saqarTvelo Zalian patara qveyanaa, ra Tqma unda, televiziis daniSnuleba Zalian mniSvnelovania, magram aranakleb mniSvnelovania piradi urTierToba amomrCevelTan da xalx- Tan, rasac Cven vapirebT, rom seqtembridanve qtiurad SevudgeT. es iqneba yoveldRiuri muSaoba Cvens xalxTan, rom, pirvel rigSi, maT gavagebinoT is cvlilebebi, rac Cven gvsurs am qveynisTvis, rac, realurad, erTaderTi gzaa Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis gadar- Cenisa im gamowvevebis fonze, romelic ivaniSvilma Seqmna. _ proporciul sistemaze gadasvla iTvaliswinebs blokebis akrZalvasac. ras gegmavs gaer- Tianebuli opozicia? ganixilavT Tu ara gaerTianebuli opoziciis calke partiad daregistrire- bas? _ konsultaciebi mimdinareobs da vnaxoT, rogor CamovyalibdebiT. darwmunebuli var, rom Semdeg saparlamento arCevnebs nebismier saarCevno sistemaSi „nacionaluri moZraoba” moigebs, radgan sazogadoebam Zalian kargad icis, rom swored „nacionaluri moZraobaa” is partia, romelsac realurad Seswevs Zala, daamarcxos ivaniSvili da Secvalos xelisufleba. amitom Cven ar ganvixilavT aranair gamowvevad da safrTxed nulovan bariers. vfiqrob, rom nulovani barieri SesaZloa, ufro sxva tipis safrTxeebs aCendes qveyanaSi, magram, meore mxriv, mimaCnia, rom sazogadoebam Zalian kargad iswavla Savisa da TeTris garCeva. ivaniSvils Tu aqvs iluzia, rom marTul partiebs Seqmnis da maTi gziT Seecdeba sazogadoebis motyuebas, darwmunebuli var, sazogadoeba amas ar miiRebs da Semdeg arCevnebze erTxmad gascems pasuxs ivaniSvils qveynis mTavari opoziciuri Zalis mxardaWeris gziT. 17
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