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foso. Sua gaikrifos da mTeli<br />
politikuri veli unda iqces ori<br />
politikuri lideris, ori Zalis<br />
dapirispirebis asparezad. marTlac<br />
yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis,<br />
rom es Sua gakrefiliyo. viRacebs<br />
daWeriT daemuqra, viRacebs _ kadrebis<br />
gamoqveynebiT da sxva akrZaluli<br />
meTodebiT. politikis<br />
gaufasurebisken, politikuri<br />
liderebis dasustebisken, partiebis<br />
dasustebisken mihyavda es yvelaferi.<br />
gakrifa Sua da dRes,<br />
erTi mxriv, mtris xatad iyenebs<br />
„nacionalur moZraobas” da, meore<br />
mxriv, yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis,<br />
rom eleqtoralurad ver gaizardos<br />
da viRebT am mocemulobas,<br />
rom „ocnebas” Tavisi eleqtorati<br />
hyavs da „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
_ Tavisi eleqtorati, aseve misgan<br />
wamosul evropul saqarTvelos<br />
Tavisi elqtorati hyavs, sakuTari<br />
eleqtorati hyavs e. w. prorusul<br />
Zalebs da aq iketeba yvelaferi.<br />
amis fonze, ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis<br />
mmarTvel partias hqonda<br />
upiratesoba. miT umetes, Sereuli<br />
maJoritarul-proporciuli sistemis<br />
pirobebSi. axla Cven garantirebulad<br />
aravin viciT, marTla<br />
gveqneba proporciuli arCevnebi<br />
Tu ara, yovel wuTs SeiZleba raRac<br />
Setrialdes, magram Tu mas proporciul<br />
arCevnebze wasvla mouxda,<br />
kidev ufro gaZlierdeba wnexi<br />
im mimarTulebiT, rom politikur<br />
velze aravin gaCndes, rom mediaSi<br />
gansxvavebuli xma ar ismodes da<br />
proporciulma arCevnebmac igive<br />
Sedegi daayenos, rac Sereuli<br />
saarCevno sistemis pirobebSi dgeboda.<br />
ivaniSvilis sustad miCneva<br />
ar mgonia sworad. ivaniSvili unda<br />
iyos ise aRqmuli, ra Zalac mas realurad<br />
aqvs da rasac iyenebs instrumentad.<br />
is instrumentad iyenebs<br />
xalxis ukidures gaWirvebasac.<br />
Zalian kargad maxsovs wina<br />
xelisuflebis dros, socialuri<br />
qulebis gamo, xalxi saxlSi qaTams<br />
ar iCerebda, rom rogorme siRaribis<br />
zRvars qvemoT moxvedriliyo<br />
da Semweoba mieRo. es mankiereba ar<br />
Secvlila, piriqiT, ufro da ufro<br />
gamZafrda da gauaresda. aseT<br />
totalurad gaWirvebaSi myof adamians<br />
marTla Zalian martivad yidulob<br />
xaxviT, kartofiliT, imitom<br />
rom is politikis mimarT ukve<br />
gagulgrilebulia da fiqrobs,<br />
rom mis pirobebs mainc aRaraferi<br />
Secvlis da es mainc ar dakargos,<br />
es xeiri mainc naxos arCevnebisgan,<br />
rac aqtiuri sazogadoebis ideas<br />
saerTod klavs.<br />
_ ki magram, xalxis aseTi ga-<br />
Ratakeba, ase damSeva mas ar Seubrundebda<br />
cudad? laris gaufa-<br />
sureba, fasebis arnaxuli zrda<br />
kidev ufro ar gaaRatakebs xalxs<br />
da ar Seqmnis eleqtoratis quCa-<br />
Si gamovardnis safrTxes, rac<br />
Searyevs mis Zalauflebas? Tu es,<br />
raRac etapze, piriqiT, mis<br />
sasargeblod muSaobs?<br />
_ jerjerobiT es mainc muSaobs<br />
mis sasargeblod. wlebis winaT<br />
xalxs molodini hqonda, rom mdidari<br />
kacis simdidre SeiZleba<br />
pirdapir maT jibeebSi ar gadadinebuliyo,<br />
magram imedi hqondaT,<br />
rom mdidari kaci qveyanaSi gamdidrebis<br />
pirobebs, samuSao adgilebs<br />
Seqmnida. es cxadia, ar moxda<br />
da xalxi Tavs motyuebulad<br />
grZnobs, es protesti pirdapir<br />
biZina ivaniSvils ukavSirdeba. magram<br />
qveyanaSi, am etapze, aravinaa<br />
misi momrevi da amas xalxi xedavs.<br />
ise ar gamigoT, rom opozicias<br />
vakritikebde, arafers akeTebTmeTqi.<br />
ara! isini yvelafers akeTeben,<br />
rac maT ZalebSia, magram ver<br />
uweven konkurencias imas, vis xel-<br />
Sic uzarmazari fulia. rodesac<br />
uimedod aris adamiani da verc momrevs<br />
xedavs, dammarcxebels, vinc<br />
mas ajobebs, igi iZulebuli xdeba,<br />
am gabrazebis miuxedavad, mainc mis<br />
mxares darCes da es aris marTla<br />
tragikuli mocemuloba _ icis,<br />
rom motyuebulia, Seuracxyofilia,<br />
damcirebulia, magram iZulebulia,<br />
arCevani isev mis sasargeblod<br />
gaakeTos.<br />
_ ki magram, es didxans gastans,<br />
Tu raRac moklevadiania?<br />
_ me zogadad optimisti var da<br />
ar miyvars pesimisturi ganwyobebi,<br />
magram es Cemi optimizmi sakmaod<br />
safuZvliania xolme... am<br />
bolo periodebSi Zalian miWirda<br />
xalxTan urTierToba, rame damaimedeblis<br />
Tqma. 20 ivnisis Ramem<br />
ramdenadac damTrguna im tragikuli<br />
Sedegis gamo, imdenad imedianad<br />
ganmawyo, rom axalgazrdoba-<br />
Si aris protestis muxti, energia,<br />
romelic arsad qreba, arsad ikargeba,<br />
SeiZleba am wuTSi miCumebulia,<br />
gawovilia, magram xval-zeg<br />
ifeTqebs! es Taoba didxans ver<br />
aitans oligarqiul wnexs! arc Cveni<br />
da Cvenze ufrosi Taoba dauSvebs<br />
amas, vinc amdeni vibrZoleT,<br />
amdeni sisxli vRvareT TavisuflebisTvis!<br />
da es uceb unda gadaiTargmnos<br />
oligarqiul mmarTvelobad?<br />
amis daSveba, amis warmodgenac<br />
SeuZlebelia. rac ar unda mZime<br />
situacia iyos saqarTveloSi,<br />
rogorc ar unda iyo gabrazebuli<br />
politikur Zalebzec da sazogadoebazec<br />
da rom Cven iolad veCveviT<br />
da iolad viRebT raRacebs,<br />
saqarTveloSi aris muxti, naperwkali,<br />
romelic uceb ise ifeTqebs<br />
xolme, rom yvelafers dagaviwyebs.<br />
saqarTvelos aqvs es Tavisebureba,<br />
saqarTveloSi bolomde ar<br />
kvdeba Tavisuflebis suli, is Sei-<br />
Zleba miinavlos, SeiZleba raRac<br />
arxeinobac axasiaTebdes, magram<br />
saWiro dros iRviZebs da saswaulebs<br />
axdens. meorec: saqarTvelo-<br />
Si xelisuflebaSi yofnas garkveuli<br />
cikluroba aqvs, _ saakaSvilis<br />
xelisuflebasac ki mowia wasvla,<br />
arada, saakaSvilis xelisufleba<br />
sakmaod efeqtiani xelisufleba<br />
N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
vels 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis~<br />
`raRacnairad, es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi<br />
ido, igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba raRacnairi... im doneze, rom<br />
zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni, eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno~<br />
iyo! progresze orientirebuli<br />
efeqtiani vertikali hqonda da<br />
masTan opoziciuri brZola sakmaod<br />
rTuli iyo.<br />
_ imitom, rom is akeTebda<br />
saqmes.<br />
_ diax da bevri xedavda „nacionalebis”<br />
efeqtianobas da gveubnebodnen<br />
kidec, acadeT! visac<br />
uSualod ar exeboda is wnexi da<br />
adamianis uflebebis darRveva Tu<br />
biznesis warTmeva, is mainc fiqrobda,<br />
rom Cven axirebulad viqceodiT<br />
da brazdeboda kidec Cvenze.<br />
eseni arafers akeTeben! dRes xelSesaxebi<br />
araferi aqvT adamianebs,<br />
rom Tqvan, modi, vacaloTo. ra vacaloT,<br />
xeebis moTxra da gadatana?<br />
yvelafris yidva, Tuki rame<br />
Rirebulia amqveynad? yvela biznesis<br />
wilSi Cajdoma? gamdidreba?<br />
ai, aseTi ucabedi gamdidrebebi,<br />
romelic am xelisuflebis pirobebSi<br />
moxda, amdeni xania politika-<br />
Si var da ar maxsovs. es unda vacadoT?<br />
amitom mgonia, rom erTia is<br />
gaTvla, rac aqvs oligarqs, rac<br />
aJurSia moyvanili, magram meorea<br />
realoba, romelic ndobaamowurul<br />
xelisuflebas aucileblad<br />
aCvenebs wiTel baraTs. saerTod<br />
vfiqrob, rom dRes imdenad rTul<br />
fazaSi varT da imdenad ver vxedavT<br />
adekvatur sapasuxo qmedebas<br />
xelisuflebisgan, rom SeiZleba<br />
2020 wlamde mSvidobianad miRwevac<br />
seriozuli problema iyos. ar<br />
vici, risi molodeinebis gaCena<br />
surs am xelisuflebas, rodesac<br />
vigebT, rom Semodgomidan daiwyeba<br />
represiebi, oRond gareT ki ara,<br />
ukve gundis SigniT.<br />
_ axlac aris saubari qumsiSvilis<br />
daWeraze, yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, ganaaxles saqme, romelic Sar-<br />
San aRZres.<br />
_ Tu danaSauli arsebobda, ratom<br />
minavlda da dawyebuli gamo-<br />
Zieba ratom bolomde ar mivida?<br />
xalxma ukve icis, rom es yvelaferi<br />
speqtaklSi mZafri elementebis<br />
Semosatanad sWirdebaT, rom<br />
kidev erTxel miipyron da gadaitanon<br />
xalxis yuradReba arsebiTidan<br />
araarsebiTze. es veRar<br />
iqneba Sedegis momtani, rogoric<br />
sxva situaciaSi iqneboda.<br />
_ anu ar gamoricxavT, rom Sei-<br />
Zleba arCevnebamde verc mivideT<br />
da situacia airios?<br />
_ imedi minda viqonio, rom ase<br />
ar moxdeba da arc minda, rom eg<br />
moxdes. minda, rom proporciul<br />
arCevnebamde mSvidad mivides qveyana,<br />
magram maTi qmedebebi maeWvebs.<br />
_ ra qmedebebs gulisxmobT?<br />
_ ver mixvdnen, kobaxiZe rodis<br />
unda gadamdgariyo, rom krizisi<br />
ar gaeCinaT. ver mixvdnen, zaqaria<br />
qucnaSvils rogor unda aeRo pasuxismgebloba;<br />
dRes ver xvdebian,<br />
rom gaxarias mier pasuxismgeblobis<br />
aReba bevrad ufro kargi iqneba<br />
maTive xelisuflebisTvis, vidre<br />
ase gajiuteba da piriqiT _<br />
aqeT Setevaze gadmosvla.<br />
_ moTxovna gaxarias gadadgomis<br />
Sesaxeb absoluturad legit-<br />
imuria, igi aris Ss ministri da<br />
mas unda mieRo gadawyvetileba<br />
Zalis gamoyenebaze da Tu man ar<br />
miiRo da sxvam miiRo, mainc unda<br />
agos pasuxi swored imitom, rom<br />
sxva, arauflebamosili piri iRebs<br />
aseT dros gadawyvetilebas da<br />
ara _ igi! Cven ar varT darwmu-<br />
nebuli, rom gaxariam miiRo es<br />
gadawyvetileba, Cven ar viciT,<br />
CubiniZem gasca brZaneba Tu vin,<br />
magram nanaxi gvaqvs kadrebi,<br />
rogor xelmZRvanelobs process<br />
CubiniZe... am fonze, erTgvar, ux-<br />
erxulobas ar giqmniT is faqti,<br />
rom jiutad mxolod gaxarias<br />
Tavs viTxovT da arc ivaniSvils<br />
vaxsenebT da arc CubiniZes?<br />
_ ivaniSvilis uxsenebloba arc<br />
erT SemTxvevaSi ar SeiZleba, mis<br />
gareSe verc gaxaria miiRebda am<br />
gadawyvetilebas da verc _ CubiniZe.<br />
Tavs droze, „traqtorebis<br />
saqmeze”, ivaniSvili Tavs iwonebda,<br />
rom soflis meurneobis ministri<br />
gadadga, ambobda, rom es maTi standartia,<br />
rom ministri gadadga,<br />
raTa xeli ar SeuSalos gamoiZebas<br />
da a. S. axla ratom aiRes xeli am<br />
standartze? vfiqrob, upriani<br />
iqneboda, rom TviTon gaxaria wasuliyo<br />
droebiT Tanamdebobidan<br />
gamoZiebis dasrulebamde. Cveni sirTule<br />
swored eg aris. pasuxi vis<br />
unda mosTxovo? premier-monistrs<br />
unda mosTxovo. raze unda mosTxovo?<br />
is arc vinmes daniSvnaze iRebs<br />
gadawyvetilebas, arc vinmes<br />
gadayenebaze, am SemTxvevaSi Tavad<br />
ministrs unda mieRo es gadawyvetileba,<br />
radgan is ufro adekvaturi<br />
Canda xolme garkveul situaciebSi.<br />
magram, rogorc Cans, dRes<br />
mas ukve aRar misces adekvaturi<br />
qcevis SesaZlebloba da amitom<br />
gaiCxira es sakiTxi ase. ra Tqma<br />
unda, es xels uSlis imasac, rom<br />
gamoZieba sxva mimarTulebebiTac<br />
wavides. roca amboben, rom SigniT<br />
garkveul Tanamdebobis pirebs<br />
SeuCerdaT uflebamisileba Tu<br />
saerTod gadaayenes Tanamdebobebidan,<br />
Cven ar viciT, maT ra<br />
Cvenebebi misces, ris gamo gadaametes<br />
Zalas, es maTi personaluri<br />
gabrazebis gamo xdeboda Tu vinmes<br />
brZanebiT? bneliT da burusiT<br />
moculi aris es yvelaferi.<br />
_ damiznebiT srolas gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ damiznebiT srolasac da<br />
dausrulebel rbevasac. mTeli<br />
Rame iq viyavi, ase dausrulebeli<br />
rbeva ar maxsovs. vkiTxulobdiT<br />
kidec, axla raRatom arbeven, axla<br />
raRatom xdeba es ambavi, raki aTi<br />
Sortebiani biWi da gogo darbevis<br />
mere isev brundeboda ukan? iq xom<br />
aRarc winaaRmdegobis veli iyo<br />
aRarsad da aRarc winaaRmdegobisTvis<br />
saWiro adamianebis raodenoba?<br />
saerTod, imTaviTve es rbeva<br />
maSin daiwyo, roca yvelaferi<br />
Cawynarda.<br />
_ swored eg garemoeba aCens im<br />
eWvs, rom imwuTieri safrTxe ki<br />
ar gaaneitrales, aramed daarbies<br />
imitom, rom xalxSi SiSi gaeCinaT,<br />
rom aRaravin gaekaros aqciebs.<br />
yvelas scodnoda, rom Tu gamova<br />
aqciebze, seqtemberSi Tu oqtomb-<br />
erSi, laris kursze Tu qveynis<br />
kursze, SeiZleba es Tvalis fas-<br />
ad, cixis fasad dujdes.<br />
_ ki me im Rames mqonda SegrZneba,<br />
rom es mitingis mogerieba ki<br />
ara, sadamsjelo RonisZieba iyo,<br />
zustad ise, rogorc 9 aprils. es<br />
ar iyo mitingis garekva, mogerieba,<br />
rogorc mere daarqves, es iyo<br />
dasja. ra saWiro iyo es, Tu ara,<br />
erTi mxriv, gavrilovis gamo<br />
ruseTisTvis samagaliTod eCvenebinaT,<br />
rom ai, Cven aseT situacia-<br />
Si ase moviqeciT...<br />
_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom darbe-<br />
vis gadawyvetileba saerTod<br />
pirdapir moskovidan modioda da<br />
ar iyo adgilze miRebuli gadaw-<br />
yvetileba?<br />
_ ho, ar viciT... ubedureba iqneba,<br />
Tu asea!.. TumcaRa, raRacnairad,<br />
es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli<br />
sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi ido,<br />
igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba<br />
raRacnairi... im doneze, rom<br />
zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni,<br />
eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno.<br />
_ sruliad aRviraxsnili iyo<br />
xelisuflebis qceva jer gavr-<br />
ilovis da mere gabunias ginebis<br />
Semdeg. xelisufleba, qalbatoni<br />
prezidenti, bodiSebs uxdida<br />
ruseTs da Semdeg rodesac putin-<br />
ma aqeT okupantebi gveZaxa, zur-<br />
abiSvilma araTu mwvave, saerTod<br />
pasuxi ar gasca. nebismier sakiTxze<br />
gaiZaxis, rom misi kompeten-<br />
cia araa. rogorc irkveva, misi<br />
saqme mxolod putinis lokva da<br />
atmis krefa yofila.<br />
_ saerTod, is reaqcia, rac<br />
qarTul saxelmwifos hqonda putinis<br />
bolodroindel gancxadebebze,<br />
SemaSfoTebelia. iyo uamravi<br />
bodiSi da Tavze nacris yra erTi<br />
Jurnalistis ucenzuro gamoTqmis<br />
gamo da absoluturad sruli dumili<br />
putinis gancxadebebze! okupantma<br />
aqeT Cven gveZaxa okupantebi.<br />
arc qalbatonma prezidentma,<br />
arc sagareo saqmeTa saministrom,<br />
arc premier-ministrma, arc parlamentma<br />
ar SeimCies es ambavi! saer-<br />
TaSoriso sazogadoebis TvalSi<br />
mainc daefiqsirebinaT pozicia putinis<br />
Tavxedur gancxadebebze.<br />
saxelmwifo xar maSin, rodesac<br />
adekvatur nabijebs dgam da rodesac<br />
sxva saxelmwifos meTauri Sens<br />
saxelmwifoze aseT gancxadebebs<br />
akeTebs, warmoudgenelia, rom<br />
reaqcia ar gqondes!<br />
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