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arafris garantiebi ar arsebobs~
_ TavisTavad es ar aris momgebiani
opoziciisTvis, magram arc
tragikulia, radgan yvela opoziciurma
partiam, maT Soris, „nacionalurma
moZraobam”, unda daarwmunos
amomrCeveli, rom axali saarCevno
sistemis pirobebSi savsebiT
SesaZlebelia samTavrobo partiis
damarcxeba da Semdeg koaliciuri
sistemis Seqmna. maT unda
auxsnan amomrCevels, rom saarCevno
sistema Seicvala, Sesabamisad,
mTlianad saxelisuflebo sistemac
axal pirobebSi aris, sadac es
Cveulebrivi ambavia. SesaZloa, amomrCevlisTvis
aRniSnuli uCveuloa,
magram aq umaRlesi maTematika
ar aris. ase rom, am nawilSi
amomrCevlis darwmuneba savsebiT
SesaZlebelia. ubralod, Zalian sasurvelia,
rom opoziciurma partiebma
meti isaubron amaze da
metad gamoxaton mzaoba, rom er-
Tiani koaliciuri mTavroba Sei-
Zleba Seqmnan arCevnebis Semdeg.
_ opoziciuri partiebi
arCevnebis Semdeg rom Seqmnian
koalicias, amisaTvis unda arsebobdes
Tu ara winaswar SeTanxme-
ba, Tundac, memorandumis saxiT?
garkveuli tipis garantia xom
unda iyos?
_ am SemTxvevaSi garantia xelmowerili
xelSekruleba ar iqneba
da garantia ver iarsebebs, magram
zogadad momgebiani iqneba, Tu
opoziciuri partiebi amas xmamaRla
ganacxadeben, rom isini ar
apireben „qarTul ocnebasTan” koaliciaSi
Sesvlas. zogierTi, gansakuTrebiT
mcire opoziciuri
partia, uars ambobs, rom aseTi
gancxadeba sajarod gaakeTos. es,
ra Tqma unda, mTlianobaSi asustebs
opozicias, magram ar gamoricxavs,
rom igive partiebi, romlebic
amas ar acxadeben, axal koaliciur
(opoziciur) mTavrobaSi
Sevidnen, sadac ar iqneba „qarTuli
ocneba”. am arCevnebSi saerTod
arafris garantiebi ar arsebobs.
_ opoziciuri erToba ver
Sedga. kuluaruli informaciiT,
„nacionalur moZraobaSi” ivaniS-
vilis dasamarcxebel formulad
saakaSvilis winasarCevnod Camosvlas
ganixilaven. es ramdenad re-
alisturi scenari ggoniaT?
_ Znelad warmomidgenia, rom
saakaSvili arCevnebamde Camovides.
SesaZloa, misma Camosvlam raRac
gavlena moaxdinos, magram ar mgonia,
rom movlenebi ase ganvi-
Tardes. Tu amomrCeveli arCevnebs
aRiqvams, rogorc calsaxad arCevans
ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvils
Soris, es ukiduresad wamgebiani
iqneba opoziciisTvis da Seamcirebs
arCevnebSi opoziciis gamarjvebis
Sanss.
_ am nawils iazrebs Tu ara
saTanadod mixeil saakaSvili?
_ darwmunebuli var, saakaSvili
ase ar xedavs. misTvis calsaxaa,
rom aseTi unda iyos gzavnili, rom
an isini an _ ivaniSvili. danarCen
opoziciur partiebTanac SeiZleba
TanamSromloba, magram es meorexarisxovania.
„nacionaluri mo-
Zraoba” iZulebulia, im xazs gahyves,
romelsac saakaSvili wyvets.
SigniT, xelmZRvanelobaSi, „nacionalur
moZraobaSi”, bevri SeiZleba
amas eWvis TvaliTac uyurebdes
da es ar moswondes, magram „nacionaluri
moZraoba” mainc erT
liderze morgebuli partiaa da
amitom rasac saakaSvili ityvis, is
unda gakeTdes.
_ mmarTvelma gundma 30 ma-
`nacionalur moZraobasa~ da, pirvel rigSi, piradad saakaSvils maqsimalurad
unda imis xazgasma, rom isini arian mTavari da rom `nacionaluri moZraobis~
imiji ar Caikargos opoziciuri partiebis simravleSi. amiT aris gamowveuli
saakaSvilis ucnauri gancxadeba, rom `nacionalurma moZraobam~ martom unda
moigos arCevnebi. imedi maqvs, saakaSvils esmis, rom es SeuZlebelia~
Joritarul olqSi Tavisi kandidatebi
daasaxela, ramdenad Zlierad
gamoiyureba „qarTuli oc-
neba” am nawilSi da aseve maTi
mTavari xelCasaWidi gzavnilia
„kovid-19-is” warmatebiT marTva.
es ramdenad efeqtiani iqneba maT-
Tvis arCevnebze?
_ „kovid-19-is” pandemiasTan
brZolaSi warmateba yvelaze aSkara
warmatebaa, romlisTvisac am 8
wlis manZilze „qarTul ocnebas”
miuRwevia. amitom is cdilobs,
maqsimaluri gamoadnos am warmatebidan,
yovel SemTxvevaSi, xalxis
TvalSi. viRacam SeiZleba es warmatebad
ar CaTvalos, magram umravlesobis
TvalSi es warmatebaa.
amiT axali politikuri kapitali
daagrova „qarTulma ocnebam”. igi
cdilobs, es kapitali maqsimalurad
gamoiyenos. maincdamainc sxva
kapitali mas ar gaaCnia da riT moiwonos
Tavi?! amitom amiT iwonebs
Tavs. efeqtiani iqneba Tu ara es
strategia, amas arCevnebi gviCvenebs,
magram, rogorc Cans, sxva
strategia maT am momentisTvis,
ubralod, ar aqvT. TiTqos, es pandemia
„ocnebas” RmerTma gadmougdo
da amis meSveobiT undaT reitingis
gaumjobeseba. rac Seexeba ma-
Joritar kandidatebs, „qarTuli
ocnebis” azriT kandidatebis vinaoba
meorexarisxovania, anu xalxis
xmas miscems an ar miscems
„qarTuli ocnebis” kandidats da
konkretulad vin iqneba is, amas
didi mniSvneloba ar aqvs.
_ am nawilSi sianteresoa is,
rom genderuli kvotebis Semomtanma
partiam mxolod erTi maJ-
oritarobis kandidati qali daasaxela,
raze metyvelebs es faq-
ti?
_ erTi SexedviT, es paradoqsia,
magram, meore mxriv, gasakviri
araferia im TvalsazrisiT, rom
Cven yvelam viciT, _ genderuli
kvotebis SemoReba ar iyo „qarTuli
ocnebis” mrwamsis Sedegi, es iyo
vaWroba dasavleTTan. aris raRac
rekomendaciebi, romelTagan
mmarTveli gundi zogs Seasrulebda,
zogs _ ara. ruruas ar gamouSvebdnen,
samagierod, kvotebs SemoiRebdnen.
am logikas emyareboda
„qarTuli ocnebis” qmedeba. maT
undaT, iseTi STabeWdileba Seqmnan,
miuxedavad didi kritikisa,
`ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvils Soris pirdapiri
TanamSromloba Zneli warmosadgenia, radgan
`qarTuli ocnebis~ misamarTiT mTeli
mxardaWera imazea, rom es aris
antisaakaSvili da anti `nacionaluri
moZraoba~. ar mgonia, rom aseTi kavSiri
SesaZlebeli iyos~
romelic dasavleTidan aris, isini
raRac rekomendaciebs asruleben.
samagierod, amis xarjze sxva
maTTvis ufro mniSvnelovans ar
Seasruleben. genderuli kvotebi
„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” ar iyo
mniSvnelovani imitom, rom maTTvis
mTavaria, erTguli deputatebi
hyavdeT parlamentSi, romlebic
esemes-s rom miiReben, imis mixedviT
dauWeren mxars ama Tu im
kanonproeqts. es parlamentari,
qali iqneba Tu kaci, amas biZina
ivaniSvilisTvis mniSvneloba ar
aqvs. maT CaTvales, rom saerTa-
Soriso Tanamegobrobis winaSe
vali ukve moixades, roca genderuli
kvotebi miiRes da axla maT
mimarT ukve am xaziT aranairi pretenzia
ar unda iyos.
_ aseve maJoritarobis kandi-
datebi waradgina gasul kviras
„evropulma saqarTvelom”, rome-
lTa Soris arian gigi ugulava da
giga bokeria. ramdenad efeqtiania
maTi es strategia? am politi-
kosebis kandidatebad wardgena
ras aZlevs „evropul saqarTve-
los”?
_ mgoni, es „evropuli saqarTvelos”,
rogorc partiis agebis erTerTi
principia, rom Tu xar lideri,
unda daamtkico kidec es lideroba,
ara ubralod imiT, rom
partiis SigniT pativs gcemen,
aramed imiT, rom SegiZlia warmatebas
miaRwio arCevnebSi pirovnuladac.
es xazi hqondaT wina
arCevnebSic, vgulisxmob adgilobriv
arCevnebs, rom partiis SigniT
pirovnebis wona ukavSirdeba imas,
Tu ra warmatebas aRwevs is ma-
Joritarul arCevnebSi. es maTi
principia da fiqroben, rom jansa-
Ri principia partiis asagebad.
rogorc Cans, aqedan gamomdinare
CaiTvala, rom partiis liderebi
moralurad valdebulebi arian,
maJoritarul arCevnebSi miiRon
monawileoba da amiT daamtkicon
TavianTi unarianoba, rogorc
liderebma.
_ pragmatuli TvalsazrisiT
ramdenad momgebiani iqneba maTi
es xedva?
_ es unda vnaxoT arCevnebze.
gasagebia, rom yvelaze didi kiTxvebi
gaaCina giga bokerias kandidatad
dasaxelebam, radgan miiCneva,
rom is ar aris popularuli
pirovneba farTo masebSi da es imiji
Tan sdevs mas. rogorc Cans, man
CaTvala, rom unda SeebrZolos am
warmodgenas da Tavi Seamowmos,
ramdenad SeuZlia aseT brZolaSi
Cabma? SeiZleboda gveTqva, rom
liderebi, zogadad, partiul
siaze unda iyvnen koncentrirebulebi
da sxva figurebs miscen
maJoritaruli olqebi, magram, meore
mxriv, amas Tavisi minusebi
aqvs, radgan TiTqos liderebs eSiniaT
maJoritarul brZolebSi
Cabma. rogorc Cans, „evropuli
saqarTvelos” liderebs ar undodaT
es STabeWdileba SeeqmnaT, rom
isini ubralod partiuli liderebi
arian da ara _ xalxis.
_ amis paralelrad, SesaZloa,
aSS-ma saqarTvelos finansuri
daxmarebis 15% SeuCeros, gasul
kviras ki aSS-is Tavdacvis aqts
saqarTvelos sakiTxze punqtebi
daemata, romelic gansazRvravs,
ra vadebSi unda ganixilos aSS-is
saxelmwifo mdivanma da warudgi-
nos kongress angariSi saqarTve-
loSi arsebuli mdgomareobis
Sesaxeb. ramdenad adekvaturad
aRiqvams dasavleTidan gzav-
nilebs mmarTveli gundi maSin,
roca lobistebsa da „nacionalur
moZraobas” abralebs dasavleTis
kritikul ganwyobas da ra roli
eqneba mas 2020 wlis arCevnebze?
_ roca xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi
amboben, rom kritika
lobisturi jgufebis muSaobis
Sedegia, es, ra Tqma unda, absoluturad
araadekvaturia. me ar vici,
marTla sjeraT amisi Tu, ubralod,
Tavis momxreebs awynareben
amiT. mgonia, viRacebs esmiT, rom
es sisulelea, magram mainc laparakoben
amas; viRacebs SeiZleba mar-
Tla sjeraT, rom lobistebs uxdian
fuls da amiT aRweven am
Sedegs opozicionerebi, rom dasavleTidan
iyos kritika „qarTuli
ocnebis” xelisuflebis misamar-
TiT. saboloo jamSi, maT, albaT,
esmiT, rom xelisuflebisTvis dasavleTTan
urTierTobis gauareseba
seriozuli ambavia. erTi
mxriv, isini maqsimalurad Seecdebian,
STabeWdileba Seqmnan, rom
dasavleTTan karg urTierTobaSi
arian da maT rekomendaciebs
iTvaliswineben, rogorc genderuli
kvotebis SemTxvevaSi gaiTvaliswines.
meore mxriv, Tavs aarideben
arCevnebis dros TvalsaCino
darRvevebs. imedia, aseTi Sedegi
eqneba dasavleTis did yuradRebas
am arCevnebis mimarT, magram es ar
gamorcxavs, rom kulisebSi maqsimalurad
ecdebian ganaxorcielon
zewola amomrCevelze administraciuli
meTodebis gamoyenebiT,
mosyidviT da a. S., es yovelTvis
mainc Sefarulad xdeba da xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi ase Seecdebian
maqsimumis gakeTebas, rom
warmatebas miaRwion, Tundac,
ukanono gziT.
_ opozicia miiCnevs, rom Tu
ivaniSvili piradi sanqciebis safrTxis
winaSe dadgeba, es gadam-
wyveti aRmoCndeba da opoziciis
sasargeblod mniSvnelovan rols
Seasrulebs. Tqveni SefasebiT,
ramdenad realuria, rom piradi
sanqciebis safrTxis winaSe dadg-
es ivaniSvili da aman arsebiTad
Secvalos arCevnebis Sedegebi?
_ amas ar gamovricxav, savsebiT
SesaZlebelia, ase iyos. ra Tqma
unda, ivaniSvilisTvis ukiduresad
arasasiamovno iqneba piradi sanqciebi
da is maqsimalurad Seecdeba,
Tavi aaridos movlenebis aseT
ganviTarebas.
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