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2008 wels ar dawyebula~
avazes. marek dudaevi qarTvelma
samarTaldamcvelebma agvistos
omamde karga xniT adre
daakaves okupirebul teritoriaze.
mere aqeT gadmoiyvanes
da qarTul cixeSi Casves. am
adamians ramdenime qarTvelis
mkvlelobaSi edeboda brali da
aseve ramdenime muxliT gaasamarTles.
mimaCnda, rom igi ar
unda gaeTavisuflebinaT.
maTma maRalCinosanma boris
CoCievma werili gadmomca,
TiTqosda mamas mier dawerili.
werilSi is Svelas mTxovda. Tu
male ar gaviyvandiT, moklavdnen
da mis gvamsac ki ver vnaxavdiT.
maSinve mivxvdi da mere
Tavad mamamac damidastura,
rom werili mas ar dauweria.
moviTaTbireT da vTqviT, rom
marek dudaevs ar gavcvlidiT.
saomari moqmedebebis dros
Cvenebma ramdenime osi separatisti
aiyvanes tyved. tyveebi
hyavda osur mxaresac. Sedga
molaparakebebi da principiT
yvela _ yvelaze gavcvaleT.
_ mamac maSin gaaTavisu-
fles?
_ ki. mas 27 dRe gaatarebines
cxinvalis cixeSi.
_ ramdenadac vici, mas Tavi-
si saflavic ki gaaTxrevines
osebma.
_ mamas ormos aTxrevinebdnen
da mere mis fexebTan isrodnen.
undodaT, SeSineboda da efiqra,
rom sakuTar saflavs Txrida.
Semdeg am amoTxril ormoSi
micvalebulebs amarxinebdnen.
mama ganTavisuflebidan ramdenime
TveSi daiRupa sisxlis gaTe-
TrebiT. amdenma SiSma da stresma
mainc Tavisi qna.
_ ra mZime ambavia.
_ Zalian mZimea. siamayiT minda
giTxraT, rom qarTvelebis
mkvleli dudaevi aravisSi
gagvicvlia, maT Soris, tyved
ayvanil qarTvel samxedroeb-
Sic ki. samwuxarod, 2013 wels
„qarTulma ocnebam” misi Tavi
osebs aCuqa. dudaevis gan-
Tavisufleba rusma maRalCinosnebma
moiTxoves.
_ „ocnebis” mier Sewyalebuli
marek dudaevi imdenad na-
Zirala iyo, rom ganTavisuflebis
Semdeg Tavisive Tana-
soflelma osma mokla.
_ Zalian bevri codva edo
kiserze. osebsac bevri dauSava
da _ qarTvelebsac. osebma ki
gadauxades samagiero, magram
samwuxaroa, rom Cvenma xelisuflebam
is ruseTis miTiTebiT
gaaTvisufla. kidev erTxel vityvi,
rom CemTvis am yvelafris
gaxseneba Zalian Znelia. uaRresad
gviWirs devnil qarTul
mosaxleobas. marTalia, devnilTa
Casaxlebebi gakeTda, magram
integracia mainc Wirs.
Cvens saxlebSi gvinda dabruneba.
imedi gvaqvs, Zalian male
SevZlebT Cvens miwawyalze cxovrebas.
_ amis imedi yvelas gvaqvs,
magram es dRes warmoudgenlad
`ramdenjerme var vladikavkazSi namyofi. zogjer Tavi TbilisSi megona.
garSemo sul qarTulad saubrobdnen. vladikavkazel osebs, cxinvalelebisgan
gansxvavebiT, qarTvelebTan Zalian kargi urTierToba hqondaT~
meCveneba.
_ dRes ara, magram xval
davbrundebiT. am imediT vcxovrobT
yvelani. marTalia, iq
Cveni saxlebi aRar dgas, magram
mTavaria, davbrundeT Cvens miwaze
da saxlebsac avaSenebT,
xexilis baRebsac gavaSenebT.
_ miTxariT, rom osebma
qarTul soflebSi saxlebi
gadawves da xexilis baRebic ki
amoZirkves. ra aris axla qar-
Tuli nasoflarebis adgilze?
sofeli TamaraSeni miwasTan
gaaswores da Semdeg iq moskovis
meriam rusi samxedroebisTvis
dasaxleba aaSena, rom-
elsac cxinvalis xelisufle-
bam moskovskoe daarqva.
_ raRac teritoriaze dasaxleba
gaakeTes, sadac rusi
samxedroebis ojaxebi Camoiyvanes
da axla isini cxovroben
iq. danarCeni teritoria ki,
ubralod, miwasTan gaaswores.
isea yvelaferi gadasworebuli,
ucxo adamiani rom Cavides, ver
warmoidgens, iq odesme soflebi
Tu iyo da cxovreba duRda.
trial mindvrad gadaaqcies
iqauroba.
_ da amiT ra xeirs naxu-
loben?
_ mizani erTia _ qarTuli
miwidan qarTuli kvali unda
waSalon. erTaderTi, rasac ver
Seexen, es qarTuli eklesiebia.
verc qarTvelTa saflavebis
aoxreba gabedes.
_ es rogor moxda?
_ ver gabedes. am eklesiebsa
da salocavebSi qarTuli warwerebia.
amiT mainc damtkicdeba,
rom iq qarTvelebi cxovroben.
_ am qarTul warwerebs ver
waSlian?
_ ara mgonia, rom es gabedon.
waSla rom gaebedaT, aqamde
waSlidnen. rogorc ukve giTxariT,
isini arc Cveni winaprebis
saflavebs Sexebian. yovel
aRdgomas imaze vfiqrobT, rom
iqneb, wels mainc SevZloT maTi
manaxuleba.
_ rogor mouvidaT, rom
`raRac teritoriaze dasaxleba gaakeTes, sadac
rusi samxedroebis ojaxebi Camoiyvanes da axla
isini cxovroben iq. danarCeni teritoria ki,
ubralod, miwasTan gaaswores. isea yvelaferi
gadasworebuli, ucxo adamiani rom Cavides,
ver warmoidgens, iq odesme soflebi Tu iyo
da cxovreba duRda. trial mindvrad
gadaaqcies iqauroba~
saflavebs xeli ar axles?
_ erTi periodi saflavis
qvebis qurdoba daiwyes, liTonsac
iparavdnen.
_ aseTi faqtebi saqarTvelos
kontrolirebad terito-
riazec xdeboda da dResac
xdeba.
_ roca saflavebis gaZarcva
daiwyo, rogorc vici, osebma iq
milicia daayenes da es procesi
aRkveTes. maT mimarT Cemi
uaryofiTi damokidebulebis
miuxedavad, simarTle aucileblad
unda iTqvas. Zalian
lamazi buneba gvqonda, tyeebiT
iyo iqauroba dafaruli. axla
es tyeebi masobrivad iCexeba.
xe-tye, ZiriTadad, ruseTSi midis.
cxinvali dRes Cveulebriv
rusul qalaqad iqca. liaxvis
xeobis qarTuli soflebi, sadac
qarTvelebi cxovrobdnen,
poligonad gadakeTda. iq xSirad
mimdinareobs rusuli armiis
wvrTnebi. Zalian mZime da
rTuli situciaa.
_ zemoT Tqveni bavSvoba
gaixseneT, roca srolebis
gamo saswavlo procesi wyde-
boda da qalebi da bavSvebi
ixiznebodiT. albaT, araerTxel
daubombavT mZinare qarTuli
soflebi, magram im politikosebs
amaze sityva ar das-
cdeniaT, romlebic mZinare
cxinvalis dabombvaze mosTqva-
men. es ra fenomenia?
_ 2008 wlis agvistomde
gamudmebiT, dRisiTac da Rami-
Tac, ibombeboda qarTuli soflebi,
qarTuli dasaxlebebi. am
dabombvas mosdevda msxverpli,
itacebdnen da klavdnen qarTvelebs.
Cveni axalgazrdebis
cxedrebsac ki ver vpoulobdiT.
mowinaaRmdege arc teroristul
aqtebze ambobda uars.
SemovliT gzaze xSirad iyo
afeTqebebi. aseTi ambebi saakaSvilis
xelisuflebaSi mosvlis
Semdeg ar dawyebula. eduard
SevardnaZis droidan ase iyo.
amis Sesaxeb yvelaze kargad
„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi
unda iyvnen informirebulni.
_ isini ratom unda iyvnen
amis Sesaxeb yvelaze ukeT in-
formirebulni?
_ imitom, rom bevri maTgani
SevardnaZis xelisuflebas warmoadgenda.
_ mZinare cxinvalze moti-
rali ramdenime persona 1991-
92 wlebis cxinvalis konfliq-
tis monawilea da gaugebaria,
axla ratom mosTqvams cxinvalSi
qarTuli sajariso Se-
naerTebis Sesvlis gamo?
_ guli mtkiva, roca Cvenken
iSveren xels da gaiZaxian, rom
„nacionalebis” dros daibomba
cxinvali, manamde ki araferi
xdeboda, mSvidad cxovrobda
regioni. iqaurma qarTvelebma
yvelaze ukeT viciT es. jojoxeTi
gamoviareT. msgavsi politikuri
gancxadebebi ar aris
lamazi. dakarguli teritoriebi
iseTi Temaa, romlis garSemoc
yvela unda gaverTiandeT.
ar SeiZleba wina xelisuflebis
dadanaSauleba, rom omi man
daiwyo. es iq mcxovrebi qarTvelebis
Seuracxyofaa, aseve im
biWebis, romlebic Cveni teritoriebis
dasacavad ibrZodnen.
_ nebismieri xelisufleba
valdebulia daicvas sakuTari
xalxi da teritoria da mosax-
leoba. marTla gaugonaria,
ratom kamaToben amaze dRemde.
_ ra Tqma unda. SevardnaZis
drosac araerTxel gauciaT
separatistebisTvis da okupantebisTvis
sakadrisi pasuxi.
Cvenc viyaviT 9 weli xelisuflebaSi,
magram erTxel ar
gviTqvams, Tu ratom Caatares
specoperacia maSin. es iyo Cveni
saxelmwifos legitimuri
ufleba. Cven rusebisa da osebis
agresiaze pasuxi rom ar
gagveca, darwmunebuli var, sxva
brals wamogviyenebdnen.
_ ra brals wamogiyenebdnen?
_ maSindeli opozicia ityoda,
rom Cven arafris maqnisi
viyaviT da ar davicaviT regionis
qarTuli mosaxleoba.
_ dabolos, ras etyodioT
im adamianebs, romlebic mainc
ar Cerdebian da mosTqvamen,
rom is omi Cven daviwyeT?
_ bevri ver igebs, rom omi
Cven ar dagviwyia da mxolod
Cvens mosaxleobas vicavdiT.
maT movuwodeb, am Temaze saubrisas
gaixsenon is 188 mSvidobiani
moqalaqe, romelic im
periodSi daiRupa. 184 jariskaci
da policielic gaixsenon,
romlebic agvistos oms Seewirnen.
Tundac es msxverplia
sakmarisi imis gasacnobiereblad,
rom omi saqarTvelos ar
dauwyia. 2008 wels viRaca Sei-
Zleba amas aprotestebda, radganac
omis gamo yvela SokSi
iyo, magram 12 weli gavida da
raRac xom unda gaiazron?
droa, yvelani erTad davdgeT
da rusuli okupacia gavaprotestoT.
imis yvirili, rom omi
Cven daviwyeT, putinis agresiis
gamarTlebaa.
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