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„qronika+~ gTavazobT eqskluziurintervius joni gigan-Tan:_ batono joni, politikaSiaqtiurad SemoxvediT?_ im wamidan, rac Tako politikaSigamoCnda, mec politikaSivar!_ anu partia „kanoni da sama-rTlis” oficialuri wevrixarT?_ ra Tqma unda._ Tako gasagebia _ politika-Si CarTvamdec, praqtikulad,samoqalaqo aqtivisti iyo daqveyanaSi arsebul problemebzemudmivad Riad saubrobda, ma-gram Tqven, romelic mTelicxovreba biznesiT xarT dakave-buli, politikaSi CarTva ratomgadawyviteT?_ bolo 30 welia, imis saSualebaar meZleva, rom saqme,romelic miyvars, vakeTo! biznes-Si yovelTvis xelis SeSlas ganvicdi,anu mTeli es wlebi, racbiznesTanaa dakavSirebuli, saxelmwifosmxridan mikerZoebulia_ TaRliTi politikanebiyvelafers akeTeben, rom saqarTveloar ganviTardes._ e. i., raki biznesis ganvi-TarebaSi xeli geSlebaT, politikaSiCarTva da am gziT vi-Tarebis Secvla gadawyviteT?_ warmoidgineT, marto inflaciisgamo 60-70 aTasi dolarisdanaklisi maqvs. es ki imasniSnavs, rom bizness perspeqtivaar gaaCnia. amas garda, dRes saqarTvelos,praqtikulad, biznesmenebiaRar hyavs!_ anu?_ biznesebis gamsxvileba midis._ es ras niSnavs?_ Sida brunvidan gamomdinare,saqarTveloSi 35-40 miliardamdemogebaa, romelic asi aTasmcire, saSualo da did mewarmezeunda ganawildes, magram biznesisamonagebis 70% erT kacs _ ivani-Svils miaqvs, anu TviTon ar Cans,magram ofSorul zonebSi masTandakavSirebul firmebze iricxeba.saqarTveloSi warmoebaswored amitomac ar viTardeba._ batono joni, 2012 wels,rogorc maxsovs, „ocnebis” mx-ardamWeri iyaviT da nuTu, verxvdebodiT, rom ivaniSvili isemoiqceoda, rogorc iqceva? sxvaTaSoris, politikanebi im-droindel opoziciaSic iyvnen..._ maSin sxva ubedureba iyo,anu reformebi tardeboda danebac arsebobda, rom saxelmwifoSemdgariyo, magram aRmoCnda,rom es mxolod erTi kacis _ saakaSvilisneba iyo. danarCen Se-34294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`politikaSi aRviraxsniloba da„qronika+~-is dRevandel re-giorgi abaSiZespondents gansakuTrebuli ward-gena ar sWirdeba, Tumca aqamde amadamians sazogadoeba ise icnobda, rogorc warmatebul bi-znesmens. axla ki joni gigans sxva ampluaSi gaicnobT, anu espirveli SemTxvevaa, roca partia „kanoni da samarTlis” lid-eris, saburTalos maJoritarobis kandidat Tako CarkvianismeuRle sajaro politikur gancxadebebs akeTebs da asabuTebs,Tu ratom unda Seicvalos xelisufleba da magaliTad, siR-aribe kanoniT da samarTliT rogor unda daiZlios!mTxvevaSi ki, rasac vuyurebdi,mTliani terori xorcieldeboda.penitenciur sistemaSi katastrofaxdeboda. kanonis uzenaesobasaqarTvelos ara da areRirsa! aqedan gamomdinare, sabotaJurimoqmedebis saSualebayvela „Cinovniks” aqvs. diax,saqarTveloSi kanonebi mikerZoebuliada SevardnaZis dros SevardnaZis„CinovnikebisTvis” iyomikerZoebuli, saakaSvilis dros_ saakaSvilis „CinovnikebisTvis”.sxvaTa Soris, is sistema, romelicsaakaSvilma reformebis gziTSeqmna, „ocnebam” SeinarCuna, magramam xelisuflebis politikurineba saxelmwifo biujetisgaRletvaa!_ batono joni, konkretuladmipasuxeT: rodis mixvdiT, rom„ocnebis” politikuri neba qveynisgadarCena ki ara, saxelm-wifo biujetis gaRletva iyo?_ „ocnebis” xelisuflebaSimosvlidan, daaxloebiT, erTiTvis Semdeg, anu erT TveSi mivxvdi,rom ivaniSvils ar undoda,saqarTvelos politikuri veqtorievroatlantikuri yofiliyo!_ amas, mgoni, manamdec undamivmxdariyaviT, radgan kargadiciT, ruseTSi fulis, miTumetes, miliardebis Sovna spec-samsaxurebis Carevis gareSeSeuZlebelia. mokled, vidre„ocneba” xelisuflebaSi movi-doda, minimum, sakuTari Tavis-Tvis ar dagisvamT kiTxva, romivaniSvili SesaZloa, evroat-lantikuri kursis winaaRmdegiyofiliyo?_ es kaci profesionali TaRliTiada ver mivxvdi, Tan ruse-Tidan Zalian adre gamoiqca.saqarTveloSi, praqtikulad, aravinicnobda da WorvilaSi iyo.mokled, vifiqre, gamoqceulia;ruseTSi biznesic, procentulad,cota aqvs, danarCeni ki _evropaSi da aqedan gamomdinare,unda, rom saqarTvelo aaSenosmeTqi.amasTan, am kacma qvelmoqmedebisimitacia Seqmna da radgansaqarTveloSic arsad Canda,vifiqre, albaT, putins emalebameTqi....ki, vici, vin vinaa, magramaqamde politikaSi ar viyavi. Sei-Zleba, yvelaze yvelaferi vicodi,magram is berketi ar mqonda,rac politikas aqvs. politikaCemi saqme ar yofila, magrampolitikaSi mosvla axla imitomgadavwyvite, rom kanonis uzenaesobadamyardes da kanonebi xalxisTvismiviRoT, raTa nebismiermapirovnebam TviTganviTarebahpovos. dRes amis saSualeba araa,radgan mikerZoebuli kanonebigvaqvs!_ mikerZoebuli kanonebi imi-tom gvaqvs, rom sakanonmdebloorganoSi araprofesionalebiarian?_ diax, ase vfiqrobdi, magramCven garda, jerjerobiT, erTipolitikosisTvisac ki ar Semim-Cnevia, rom am mikerZoebulikanonebis xelidan gaSveba unda!_ „CvenSi” vis gulisxmobT?_ „kanonsa da samarTals” da„axal saqarTvelos”. Cveni platformis_ „strategia aRmaSeneblis”mTavari mizania, rom prokuraturada sasamarTlo politikuriwnexisgan gavaTavisufloT.amis gareSe Sansi araa, romsaqarTvelo win wavides!.. Cemiojaxi politikaSi maSin CaerTo,roca evroveqtoris opoziciasgaZliereba sWirdeboda. „ZalaerTobaSia” mixeil saakaSvilisproeqti iyo da evroveqtorisgasaZliereblad nabiji gadavdg-joni gigani:iT. sxvaTa Soris, saakaSvilis „nacebi”dResac evroveqtorad mimaCniada SeuZlebelia, rom evroveqtorisgaZlierebis gareSeprokuratura da sasamarTlopolitikuri wnexisgan ganTavisufldes!amas garda, saxelmwifoauditsac xalxi unda irCevdes,„sazogadoebriv mauwyebels”ki imis SesaZlebloba undahqondes, rom mosaxleobis gamRletvelebski ara, saxelmwifosada xalxs emsaxuros! amasTan,aucilebelia, rom arCevnebi eleqtronulisistemiT Catardesda amiT arCevnebSi, Tundac, axalgazrdebismonawileoba gaizardos.swored es gza gaiara baltiispireTma.ise, mxolod me kiara, mTel saqarTvelos SeeSala!_ ras gulisxmobT?_ erTi rom ZalauflebiT ga-Rordeba da gaskdeba, mere meoresviTxovT da vfiqrobT,iqneb, es ukeTesi iyoso, magram`Sida brunvidan gamomdinare, saqarTveloSi 35-40 miliardamde mogebaa, romelic asi aTasmcire, saSualo da did mewarmeze undaganawildes, magram biznesis amonagebis 70% erTkacs - ivaniSvils miaqvs, anu TviTon ar Cans,magram ofSorul zonebSi masTan dakavSirebulfirmebze iricxeba. saqarTveloSi warmoebaswored amitomac ar viTardeba~`bolo 30 welia,imis saSualebaar meZleva, romsaqme, romelicmiyvars, vakeTo!~Tu prokuraturasa da sasamarTlospolitikuri wnexisgan argavaTavisuflebT, mudmivad amor ferSi _ „iqneb, es iyos uke-Tesi” _ viqnebiT da samarTlianobaar aRdgeba! adamiani parlamentSirom Sedis, ar unda fiqrobdes,rom prokurori gaxdebaan prokuraturas rames sTxovs.2012-Si, roca ivaniSvili modioda,am mxriv gausaZlisi mdgomareobaiyo da amitom yvelaferi isaucileblad unda Secvliliyo,magram meore ubedurebaSi movyeviT.saerTod, es rusuli specsamsaxurebismizania._ anu?_ saqarTveloSi politikamravalmxrivi ki ara, or ukiduresobasSoris iyos._ batono joni, konkretulkiTxvas dagisvamT da konkretuladmipasuxeT: mixeil saakaS-vilmac, Tavis erT-erT bologamosvlaSi, qarTuli politikaor ferad gayo da pirdapirTqva, rom giorgi vaSaZe sibne-lis mxares dadga. es ras niSnavsda rogor unda gavigoT?_ is nabiji, romelic Cven gadavdgiT,Seqmnilma mdgomareobamgamoiwvia._ e. i., „Zala erTobaSiaSi”raRac iseTi xdeboda?_ ara._ aba?_ ivaniSvilma SeZlo, rompolitikaSi ori feri _ TeTrida Savi, anu „nacebi” da „qocebi”iyvnen. saakaSvili ki cdilobs,rom sakuTari partia gaaZlierosda, aqedan gamomdinare,Tavis strategias mihyveba. 2018wlis saprezidento arCevnebSi,mogexsenebaT, „Zala erTbaSiam”gamarjveba SeZlo, anu gagviyalbes,Torem grigol vaSaZisxmebi 51 procentze meti iyo dapirvelsave turSi gavimarjveT,magram gayalbebiT meore turidaniSnes, sadac gamoCnda, romivaniSvilTan erTi erTze darCenarTulia._ ratom?_ jer erTi, imitom, rom biujetidanmilionebs iparavs. meorec,im mogebis 70%, rac asamdebiznesmens ekuTvnis, mxolod masda putins miaqvT. mokled, ivan-34 N19 (321) 11.08-17.08.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.commeqrTameoba unda damTavrdes!~iSvils Zalian didi fuli aqvs._ es gasagebia, magram sxva ramgkiTxeT, anu saakaSvilma qarTu-li politika or ferad ratomgayo da „strategia aRmaSeneblis”Seqmnas ratom ar miesal-ma?_ mogexsenebaT, saakaSvili aqar aris da sxvanair gaTvlasakeTebs. Cven ki Cveni gaTvla gvaqvs._ saubari iqiTken xom ar mi-gyavT, rom garemocvis wevrebisaakaSvils qveyanaSi arsebulviTarebaze araswor informaciasawvdian da sxvanair real-obas anaxeben?_ Cemi azriT, saakaSvils imdonis informacias awvdian, radonis informaciis gadamcemebichyavT, anu vinc saakaSvils informaciasawvdis, mdgomareobasise ver aRiqvams, rogorc, magaliTad,„kanoni da samarTali”aRiqvams. Cven ki politikas sxvisiaRqmiT ver vawarmoebT daaqedan gamomdinare, is nabijigadavdgiT, romelic sworad miviCnieT.ai, daakvirdiT, 2019 wlis20 ivnisis Semdeg leiboristebisofisSi opozicia Seikriba,saidanac zogs fsevdoopoziciasveZaxiT. yvelaferi es CemTvis,rogorc „kanoni da samarTlis”wevrisTvis, „Zala erTobaSias”dangrevis mcdeloba iyo._ leiboristebis magidis, asevTqvaT, lokomotivi „evropulisaqarTvelo” gaxldaT. yovelSemTxvevaSi, garedan ase Canda.hoda, „Zala erTobaSias” dan-grevas bokeria cdilobda TuivaniSvili?_ ivaniSvilic, bokeriac daruseTume partiebic._ leiboristebis ofisSigamokveTili prorusuli ganwyobebiburjanaZes aqvs. am magidasTansxva ruseTumeebic isxd-nen?_ politika iseTia, rom ver, asevTqvaT, miaswreb, vin vinaa. amSemTxvevaSi mxolod burjanaZegyavs „miswrebuli”, romelsacRiad aqvs gacxadebuli, rom putinispartiaa da saxelic „edinnaiarossias” qarTuli Sesatyvisihqvia. mokled, sxvebze ase pirdapirver vityvi, Tumca eWvi maqvs._ sxva opoziciuri partieb-is prorusulobaze ris gamogaqvT eWvi?_ roca im politikas asxamwyals, romelic putins awyobs,es ruseTumeobaa! SeiZleba, Tvi-Ton deda daificos, ruseTumear varo, magram masTan erTad imsakiTxebze samsjelod dajdoma,romelic saxelmwifos ganvi-Tarebas ar awyobs, ar Rirs. sxvaTaSoris, 2018 wlamde „nacebisTvis”iseTi cudi periodi iyo,rom televiziebSic ki ver sxdebodnen,Tumca Tako Carkvianmagaxsna da im mesijma gaWra, racxalxisTvis mniSvnelovani iyo._ romel mesijs gulisxmobT,batono joni?_ im mesijs, rom wina xelisuflebisdros, Secdomebis miuxedavad,reformebi tardeboda dasaxelmwifo institutebi Sendeboda!„nacionalebis” dros arsebobdapolitikuri neba, romsaxelmwifo Camoyalibebuliyo _saakaSvili rom movida, biujeti200 milioni iyo da 5 miliardzeaiyvana, rac imas niSnavda, ruse-Tis specsamsaxurebsa da qarTvelgamyidvel „Cinovnikebs” Zaliandidi fuli _ 4 miliardzemeti piridan gamoacala. ...simar-Tle giTxraT, cxovrebis Zaliandidi gamocdileba maqvs da isicvici, vinc dRes politikaSia,saidan da rogor movida! me daTakom ki yvelaferi erTad gadavitaneT,Tanac Tako iseT ojax-Sia gazrdili, rom igive gamocdilebaaqeT mommata _ im brwyinvalegamocdilebas, romelicjansuR Carkvianis ojaxs aqvs,svaneTSi versaidan miviRebdi!mokled, is adamiani var, romelsacsworad moazrovne pirovnebismosmena siamovnebs!gulwrfelad getyviT: TakoqarTul politikaSi Zalian sainteresoaxali da sufTa saxea!N19 (321) 11.08-17.08.2020 w.`aucilebelia, rom arCevnebi eleqtronuli sistemiT Catardes da amiTarCevnebSi, Tundac, axalgazrdebis monawileoba gaizardos. swored es gzagaiara baltiispireTma~aseve ganaTlebuli adamianicaa,romelic Tavis principebs arasodesRalatobs!_ SeiZleba, magram mavani„Zala erTobaSiaSi” situaciisaWras swored Takos abralebs,anu zogi ambobs, premierobiskandidatad giorgi vaSaZisdasaxeleba naCqarevi iyo daraki partniorebisgan mxardaW-era ver igrZnes, „axalmasaqarTvelom” da „kanonma dasamarTalma” „Zala erTobaSia”amitom datoveso._ ara, me ase ar vfiqrob._ aba, rogor fiqrobT?_ davrwmundi, rom Cven sxvagamosavali ar gvqonda._ ratom?_ „nacebma” TbilisSi maJoritarobisori olqi daitoves,eqvsi ki sxvebs misces...me da Takom SevxedeT mdgomareobas:ivaniSvilma icis, rommTlianad gavaSiSvleT da imdonis gayalbebas Tu fulisdarigebas veRar SeZlebs, rogorcsaprezidento arCevnebis`Cveni platformis - `strategia aRmaSeneblis~mTavari mizania, rom prokuratura dasasamarTlo politikuri wnexisgangavaTavisufloT. amis gareSe Sansi araa, romsaqarTvelo win wavides!..~dros. swored amitom ivaniSvilmada leiboristebis ofisSi Sekrebilmamagidam sazogadoebadaabnia, anu xalxi veRar xvdeboda,vin aris ivaniSvilTan da vin_ namdvili opozicia. amitomxalxs fsevdoopozicia aranaklebadezizReba, vidre ivaniSvili!es mdgomareoba ki ivaniSvils,ureitingo partiebsa daruseTumeebs awyobT! „nacebs”TavianTi amomrCeveli hyavT, SuaxmebisTvis ki xazaraZe, elisaSvilida bokeria Semovidnen.vfiqrob, yvela es „ivaniSvilioria” da mas Semdeg, rac parlamentSiSevalaT, amas xmamaRlavityviT! amasTan, Tu arCevnebigayalbda, magram is scenarigaTamaSdeba, rac putinsa daJirinovskis Soris moxda, maSinvefsevdoopoziciis mxilebas daviwyebTda rogorc ki TaRliTobasdavinaxavT, parlamentSi Sesvlismiuxedavad, quCaSi gadavinacvlebT.Tumca ar minda, vinmemise gaigos, rom am SemTxveva-Si saakaSvilis proeqtze vlaparakob!ivaniSvilma unda gaigos,rom misi wasvla mxolod saakaSvilski ara, Cvenc gvinda, radgansaqarTvelo katastrofaSia!_ batono joni, yvelaferi esgasagebia, magram igive „nacebi”giorgi vaSaZes imas axseneben,rom vano CxartiSvili misicolis biZaa. „strategia aRmaSenebeli”Tundac saarCevno kam-panias ra saxsrebiT Caatarebs?_ Cemi dRevandeli mdgomareobaimas ar niSnavs, rom Cemipartiisa da igive „strategia aRmaSeneblis”dafinanseba gami-Wirdes!_ anu axali platformis dam-finansebeli mxolod TqvenxarT?_ Cemi wrec _ biznesSi Zalianbevri mxardamWeri da megobarimyavs! sxvaTa Soris, yvelaferinaTeli iqneba da kiTxvis niSnebiar darCeba, vin saidan finansdeba!saerTod, colis biZaze saubarisisulelea, Torem ase Tu mivudgebiT,dedis mxridan 150naTesavi myavs, mamisgan _ asi daaqedan zogi sad muSaobs da zogic_ sad, Tumca es CemTan kav-SirSi araa! saqarTveloSi sworedes unda moispos _ iseTi po-litikuri reforma unda gavataroT,rom colis biZas ki ara,Svilic rom iyos, veravin uSvelos!politikuri wnexisgan Tavisufaliprokuratura zustadimas niSnavs, rom xalxis mier ar-Ceuli prokurori xalxis interesebsdaicavs da premieric reformebsgaatarebs, radgan prokurormafulis moparva ardaabralos! aseTi Woriknoba daaRviraxsniloba unda damTavrdes!saakaSvilma e. w. qurdulimentalitetis winaaRmdeg kanonimiiRo, magram gana, jaSuSebi qurdulimentalitetis xalxze naklebadsaSiSebi ar arian? hoda,usafrTxoebis kanonic unda mie-Ro, rom iseTi naZiralebi, rogoric,magaliTad, nugzar fofxaZeda koka yandiaSvilia, ase winveRar wamoweuliyvnen! aseTi kanonirom mieRo, fofxaZe an saqarTvelosdatovebda, an cixeSiwavidoda! mokled, is gvinda, romreformebi gatardes da prokurorismovaleoba premierma Tuprezidentma aRar Seasrulos!_ batono joni, „strategiaaRmaSeneblis” saarCevno siaSiiqnebiT?_ Tu gundi saWirod miiCnevs,viqnebi, Tu ara _ ar viqnebi. amsakiTxze jer ar gvimsjelia. ise,mTeli cxovreba imas vambob, rompolitika ar minda, magram imideebis ganxorcielebis saSualeba,rac maqvs, arasodes momeca.saqarTveloSi Cemnairi Zalianbevria da aq ar vicxovroT?diax, mTeli coxvreba mxolodCemi saqme mainteresebs, magram amsaqmis gakeTeba mxolod konkurentulgaremoSi SeiZleba, sadacjanmrTeli da dasavluribiznesis warmoeba kanoniTa dasamarTliTaa SesaZlebeli. martoaseT dros ganviTardebaqveyana. korufciuli biznesiTqveyana ver ganviTardeba!_ bolos, batono joni, sax-alxo poeti jansuR CarkvianidRes cocxali rom iyos, Tako-sa da Tqvens politikaSi CarT-vaze ras ityoda?_ erT rames getyviT: CemiSesaZleblobebidan gamomdinare,90-iani wlebidan SemeZlo, rompolitikaSi vyofiliyavi, magramimis gamo, rom januki sazogadomoRvawe iyo, me da Tako politikaSinaklebad viyaviT, Tumcayvela problemur sakiTxze vaqtiurobdiT.sxvaTa Soris, jansuRs,cocxali rom iyos, Cveninabiji moewoneboda!_ batono joni, ivaniSvilsada saakaSvilTan ra kiTxvebigaqvT?_ radgan bolo 30 wlis ganmavlobaSireformebis niWi saakaSvilsaRmoaCnda, vkiTxav: yvelaferiratom ar miiyvana bolomde?ivaniSvilTan ki erTi kiTxvamaqvs: Tu putinis mona arxarT, politikaSi ra gindaT?!saerTod, ivaniSvili qarTulimentalitetis azrze araa da ise-Ti pativmoyvarea, rom SegrZnebaar aqvs, adamians ra SesaZleblobebiaqvs!35
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