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ojaxs satelefono zarebiT?
va, rom baCaliaSvili pirdapir
TeTri wyaros mimarTulebiT ar
wasula. aseve aRsaniSnavia isic,
rom Tqveni gazeTis redaqtorma
garkveuli informaciebi moiZia,
maT Soris, im adamianTan dakav-
SirebiT, romelic acxadebs, rom
baCaliaSvilis Seyvarebulia, amis
Semdgom am mimarTulebiT sagamo-
Ziebo moqmedebebi Caatares. aqedan
gamomdinare, viRebT mocemulobas,
rom gamoZiebas sWirdeba, televiziebisgan
gaigos informacia kamerebis
Canawerebis Sesaxeb da amis
Semdeg daiwyos Canawerebis amoReba
da adamianis gadaadgilebis
marSrutis Seswavla, _ nuTu, gamo-
Zieba televizias unda elodebodes?!
e. i. gamoZieba, nebsiT Tu
uneblieT, acdenilia realur simwvaves.
gamixarda, rom mTavari
prokurori Sexvda ojaxs, Tumca
am SexvedrisTvis aucilebeli iyo,
rom ojaxs aqcia gaemarTa an Sim-
Siloba gamoecxadebina. sanam ojaxma
yvela kritikuli zoma ar miiRo,
manamde ratom ar mimarTa sagamoZiebo
uwyebam werilobiT FBIis
(amerikis Ziebis federaluri biuro)?
Tu gamoZieba darwmunebulia
sakuTar obieqturobaSi da
FBI ityvis, rom diax, namdvilad is
versiaa, rasac aqauri gamoZieba ambobso,
aseT SemTxvevaSi gamoiZieba
xom Semoubrundeba sazogadoebas
da etyvis, rom marTali xar da
tyuilad mcxebdi Cirqso. gamoZiebis
interesSi xom unda Sediodes
simarTlis damtkiceba? ai, aseTi
moqmedebebi badebs kiTxvis niSnebs,
romelic xSirad marTldeba. magaliTad,
zaza saraliZis SemTxvevaSi
sistemam aRiara Secdoma da
realuri damnaSave daiWira, magram
sazogadoeba rom ar gamosuliyo
rusTavelis gamzirze da aTasobiT
adamiani ar damdgariyo saraliZis
gverdiT, realuri damnaSave dRes
Tavisuflad ivlida. imas ki ar
vambob, rom yvela saqme apriori
gayalbebulia, magram aseTi
mocemulobebi Zalian bevr kiTxvas
badebs, miT umetes, roca Jurnalisti
aswrebs gamoZiebas.
_ es gamoZiebis arakvalifici-
urobaa Tu mizanmimarTuli
qmedeba?
_ saubari daviwye imiT, rom sagamoZiebo
uwyebebTan yoveldRiuri
komunikacia maqvs, profesiiT
iuristi var da saadvokato saqmianobas
vewevi. xazgasmiT minda
aRvniSno, rom yvela gamomZiebeli
sistemidan gasaSvebi ar aris.
Zalian bevri gamomZiebelia, visac
namdvilad uyvars Tavisi profesia
da iseT minimalur xelfasze
aTenebs Rameebs, rom yvelas erT
qvabSi namdvilad ver movxarSavT.
vfiqrob, am kargi gamomZieblebis
cud policielebTan erTd moxsenieba
arasworia. bevri SemTxveva
mqonia, roca marTla obieqturad
gamouZiebiaT saqmeebi, magram vinaidan,
zogadad, sistema Zalian
mowyvladia, iq mesame pirebi erevian.
roca aseTi mniSvnelovani
saqmea, sistemam SeiZleba iseT gamomZiebels
Caabaros saqme, romelic
maTTvis sasurvel versias
dadebs an SeiZleba iseTma gamomZiebelma
aiRos saqme, romelsac naklebi
gamocdileba aRmoaCndes an
iseTi gamomZiebeli dainiSnos,
romlis Semosavalic mxolod sam-
`analogiur mocemulobas vxedav `SaqaraSvilis saqmezec~. aq aris
dazaralebulis mxare, rac, jerjerobiT, `baCaliaSvilis saqmeze~ ar ikveTeba.
`SaqaraSvilis saqmeze~ braldebulis advokatebs gadaecemodaT mtkicebulebebi,
romelsac sazogadoeba xedavda da, Sesabamisad, daskvnebis gamotanis
saSualebac gvqonda. vxedavT, rom prokuratura da policia mxolod erTi
mxaris mtkicebulebebs asajaroebs da rom ara advokatebis mier gamotanili
mtkicebulebebi, `SaqaraSvilis saqmeSic~ ki sasurvel versias gagvacnobdnen~
saxurzea damokidebuli da daemuqron
misi dakargviT. aseT rezonansul
saqmeebze yovelTvis
arCeven sust rgolebs. ramdenjer
gvinaxavs, rom gamoZieba dauwyia
konkretul gamomZiebels da Semdeg
igive saqme sxvisTvis gadauciaT.
„baCaliaSvilis saqmec” sxva
sagamoZiebo struqturam daiwyo
da sxvas gadaeca imis gamo, rom sazogadoebisgan
didi rezonansi
mohyva, radgan aranairi sagamoZiebo
moqmedebebi ar tardeboda.
rodesac konkretul sisxlis samarTlis
saqmeze maRali sazogadoebrivi
interesia, mxolod amis
Semdeg sagamoZiebo uwyebebi iZulebuli
arian, qmediTi nabijebi
gadadgan. piradad CemTvis Zalian
mniSvnelovania erTi SekiTxva: vin
emuqreboda satelefono zarebiT
am ojaxs, rom gaCerebuliyvnen?
rodesac gvinda, rom gavarkvioT
am saqmeSi aris Tu ara mesame piris
daintereseba, mniSvnelovania gavigoT,
Tu vin axorcielebda zewolas
ojaxis mimarT? swored aseTi
moqmedebebi iwvevs dabali ndobis
xarisxs da amitomac aris bevri
kiTxvis niSani.
_ pirdapir gkiTxavT, sistema
unda daingres?
_ sistemis Secvla ar niSnavs,
rom yvela policieli Tu gamomZiebeli
saxlSi gasaSvebia. pirvel
rigSi, damoukideblobis xarisxia
asamaRlebeli, anu kanonmdeblobis
doneze gamomZieblisa da policiis,
rom mesame pirebis Careva samarTlebrivad
ufro garTuldes.
meore: unda gavmijnoT adamianis
uflebebis damrRvevi policielebi
da isini unda daviTxovoT. unda
wavaxalisoT is policielebi, romlebic
uangarod emsaxurebian
sistemas. es reforma unda iyos
`SeiZleba, gogonam raRac informacia gaigo,
ris gamoc mas Teoriulad Tanxa gadauxades
da baCaliaSvili ganicdida Seviwroebas an
muqaras im adaminisgan, vinc es Tanxa
gadauxada. Tu ar ici, adamians Tanxa saidan
gauCnda da mere Tavi moikla, maSin xom ar
gvaqvs SantaJTan da muqarasTan saqme an
TviTmkvlelobamde miyvanis mdgomareobamde?~
faqizi da frTxili, radgan ukiduresobaSi
ar gadavvardeT.
_ arsebuli viTareba gaZlevT
Tu ara imis varaudis safuZvels,
rom SesaZloa, orive saqme Taroze
Semodon da simarTle bolomde
mainc ver gairkves, pasuxgaucemeli
darCes kiTxvebic da dausje-
li _ konkretuli damnaSaveebi?
_ me vicavdi „omega jgufs”, sadac
dazaralebuli mxare viyaviT.
uamravi mtkicebuleba SevitaneT
prokuraturaSi. Sesabamisad, prokuraturis
neba rom yofiliyo,
Zalian bevr maRalCinosans miscemdnen
pasuxisgebaSi, magram eg saqmec
Taroze Semodes da manam, sanam
politikuri neba ar iqneba,
aRniSnul saqmeze aravis wauyuneben
brals. raRac doneze SeiZleba
paraleli gavavloT am saqmesa
da „baCaliaSvilis saqmesTan” mimarTebiT,
magram „baCaliaSvilis
saqmeSi” yvelaferi ufro damokidebulia
sazogadoebis aqtiurobaze.
rac Seexeba „SaqaraSvilis
saqmes”, vfiqrob, uaxloes period-
Si ramdenime adamians brals wauyeneben,
magram bralis wayeneba xom
ar niSnavs, rom apriori gamamtyunebeli
ganaCeni gamodis. gamamtyunebeli
ganaCeni rom gamovides,
aucilebelia iyos utyuari mtkicebulebebi
da mowmeebma ki oTxjer-xuTjer
Secvales Cvenebebi.
SeiZleba brali wauyenos prokuraturam,
magram roca mowmeebs 4-
5-jer aqvT Secvlili Cvenebi, ase-
Ti mtkicebulebebi sasamarTlos
ar eyofa. bralic Tu wauyenes,
esec sazogadoebis gamarjveba
iqneba, radgan dRes ra sagamoZiebo
moqmedebebic Catarda, aman Sei-
Zleba realuri damnaSave pirebi
gamokveTos. gamoZiebis naxevarze
meti Catarda mas Semdeg, rac Jurnalistebma,
maT Soris, qalbatonma
eliso kilaZem da advokatebma
aseTi rezonansi miveciT am
saqmes da konkretuli moqmedebebi
gamovkveTeT, magram bevrad
gaWirdeba igives gakeTeba „ba-
CaliaSvilis saqmis” Sesaxeb.
_ ratom?
_ imitom, rom sazogadoebas,
Jurnalistebsa da advokatebs ar
aqvT saSualeba, mtkicebulebebi
Seiswavlon, risi saSualebac iyo
„SaqaraSvilis saqmeze”. „baCaliaSvilis
saqmeze” mxare ar aris jerjerobiT
gamokveTili, Sesabamisad,
saqmis masalebi aravis gadaecema
da Zalian gaWirdeba sazogadoebis
Careva.
_ „baCaliaSvilis saqmesTan”
dakavSirebiT Sss-m informacia
gamoaqveyna, rom gauCinarebis wina
dRes is „guglSi” TviTmkvlelobis
gzebs eZebda. am nawilSi minda
gavixseno „cianidis saqme”, sadac
Tqven dekanoz mamalaZis ad-
vokati xarT. mamalaZis _ saqmeSic
aseve msgavsi garemoeba ikveTeba.
gamoZiebis Tanaxmad, isic „gugl-
Si” eZebda cianids. ras cdilobs
gamoZieba?
_ dekanozi mamalaZe ambobs,
Sorena TeTruaSvilma sTxova,
cianidi eSova. damainteresa, ra
mizniT sWirdebodao, radgan Sorenas
uTqvams, xatebze oqros gamosakveTad
mindao. amitom dagugla
dekanoz mamalaZem, marTla Sesa-
Zlebeli iyo Tu ara cianidis am
mizniT gamoyeneba. dagugvlis Sedegad
ki aRmoCnda, rom cianidis
gamoyeneba SeiZleba rogorc
mowamvlis mizniT, aseve _ oqros
gamosakveTad. nebismierma adamianma
SeiZleba informaciis miRebis
mizniT daguglos cianidic da
TviTmkvlelobis gzebic. es ar Sei-
Zleba gaxdes imis mtkicebuleba,
rom Tamar baCaliaSvili Tavs
iklavda, aseve ar SeiZleba es iyos
imis mtkicebuleba, rom dekanozs
vinmes mosawamlad sWirdeboda
cianidi. es ar aris is mtkicebuleba,
rom sasamarTloSi gamosadegari
iyos. ubralod, gamoZieba
cdilobs, maTTvis sasurveli versia
sazogadoebas Tavs moaxvios.
_ rogoria amjerad mama gior-
gis janmrTelobis mdgomareoba?
_ mama giorgisTan ramdenime
dRis win viyavi. rac Seexeba mis
janmrTelobis mdgomreobas, sakaceze
wevs, xeli da fexi gaCerebuli
aqvs da ukve kunTis ganleva
ewyeba imis gamo, rom mkurnaloba
ver tardeba. sasamarTlom sasjelis
gadavadebaze uari im motiviT
Tqva, rom cixeSi mkurnalobis
saSualeba arsebobso. piriqiT aRmoCnda.
_ ramdeni xania, rac aseT
mdgomreobaSia?
_ weliwadi da 7 Tvea, rac
sakaceze wevs, anu etliTac ver
gadaadgildeba.
_ ra giTxraT, raze isaubreT,
raime Tu dagabaraT?
_ mxolod ojaxis wevrebis ambebi
ainteresebda. Sevdivar xolme
imis gamo, rame iseTi problema xom
ar aqvs, rom davexmaro.
_ sasuliero pirebidan vinme
naxulobs?
_ sasuliero pirebidan vinc
midioda, meufe petresa da mama
andrias mRvdelmsaxureba SeuCeres
da sxvebi didad arc manamde
iklavdnen Tavs SesvliT da axla
xom _ saerTod.
_ gasagebia, rom rTuli janmrTelobis
mdgomareoba aqvs, ma-
gram rogoria misi ganwyoba?
_ oTxi weli xdeba, rac dakavebulia,
aqedan weliwad-naxevaria,
xel-fexi gaCerebuli aqvs da sakaceze
wevs. miuxedavad amisa, sakmaod
optimisturad aris ganwyobili.
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