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baCaliaSvili specsamsaxurebma?
aTasi saSualeba arsebobs, rac
pirovnebis fsiqologiur Tu
fsiqikur moSlas iwvevs. SeiZleba,
vinmes ucnaurad moeCvenos,
magram specsamsaxurs isic Seu-
Zlia, rom adamianis qvecnobierSi
iseTi programa, ase vTqvaT,
„daainstaliros”, romliTac
subieqtis marTva gacilebiT advili
gaxdeba!
_ weRan qimiuri zemoqmedeba
axseneT. damikonkreteT, spec-
samsaxuri obieqtze qimiurad
rogor zemoqmedebs?
_ yvelaferi imiT iwyeba, rom
specsamsaxuri aqtiur RonisZiebaSi
gamosayeneblad pirovnebis
SerCevas iwyebs da amis Semdeg
SerCeuli pirovnebis Sesabamisi
damuSaveba iwyeba, anu masze hipnoziT
Tu qimiuri saSualebebiT
zemoqmedeben: vTqvaT, adamians
ramdenime dRis ganmavlobaSi
TiSaven. siRrmeebSi ar Caval,
radgan es garkveuli saidumloa,
romlis gamJRavnebac rekomendebuli
araa.
_ adamianze zemoqmedebis
zemoxsenebul xerxebs mxolod
ganviTarebuli qveynebis spec-
samsaxurebi iyeneben?
_ diax, umetesad, ganviTarebuli
qveynebis. am mxriv gansaku-
TrebiT aRsaniSnavia dasavleT
evropuli qveynebi. ai, magali-
Tad, am kuTxiT franguli specsamsaxurebi
Zalian gamoirCeva.
sxvaTa Soris, swored franguli
specsamsaxurebis mieraa danergili
e. w. Ziebis sistema.
_ anu?
_ vgulisxmob specialur kompiuterul
programas, romelic
garkveul saxelebsa da sityvebze
reagirebs.
_ es rogor?
_ ai, magaliTad, Tu adamiani
sityva „prezidents” an „terorists”
axsenebs, es SesaZloa,
specsamsaxurebis yuradRebis
qveS moxvdes... franguli specsamsaxurebis
mier SemuSavebul
am meTods amerikelebic iyeneben,
britanelebic da, sxvaTa Soris,
germanelebic.
_ am programas rusuli an,
sulac, qarTuli specsamsaxure-
bic iyeneben?
_ diax. saqarTveloSi es sistema
„nacionalebis” dros dainerga.
revoluciamde ki, ZiriTadad,
sabWoTa periodis teqnikiTa da
teqnologiebiT vmuSaobdiT.
_ erTi sityviT, batono kon-
stantine, uSvebT albaTobas,
rom Tamar baCaliaSvili spec-
samsaxurebis yuradRebis qveS,
SesaZloa, safrangeTSi swavlis
dros moeqca?
_ amas ver vityvi, Tumca erTi
ram naTelia.
_ kerZod?
_ raki fsiqologi dasWirda,
SesaZloa, masze garkveuli saxis
fsiqologiuri zewola mimdinareobda.
sxvaTa Soris, fsiqologi
ambobs, rom mas janmrTelobis
problemebi ar hqonda, amitom
SesaZloa, zewolas ganicdida
garkveuli piris, pirovnebebis
an struqturebis mxridan.
`saxelmwifo inspeqtoris samsaxuri imitom Seiqmna, rom samoxeleo
danaSauli da gadacdomebi Seiswavlos, anu es, praqtikulad, generaluri
inspeqciaa. roca saqmeSi generaluri inspeqcia erTveba, e. i., es imas niSnavs,
rom gamoZieba ise ar midis, rogorc saWiroa, Tumca ar mgonia, rom Sedegi
am samsaxurma mainc dados~
cxadia, ar vambob, rom asi procentiT
ase iqneboda, magram
fsiqologi dasWirda, arada,
weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, fsiqologi
ambobs, rom janmrTelobis
problemebi ar hqonda.
amasTan, sagulisxmoa, rom Tamar
baCaliaSvili SeSinebuli iyo.
_ amas ris safuZvelze
askvniT?
_ sxvanairad mamas eleqtroSokis
SeZenas ar sTxovda.
_ Tamari, rogorc irkveva, 40
kilograms iwonida, miuxedavad
amisa, gasaxdom Cais moixmarda,
anu, batono kote, SesaZloa,
davuSvaT, rom simsuqnis kompleqsi
23 wlis gogonas spec-
samsaxurebma „Caunerga”?
_ SesaZlebelia. saerTod, im
garemos Seswavlaa saWiro, sadac
mas yofna uxdeboda, Tumca am
SemTxvevaSi ojaxs ar vgulisxmob.
sxvaTa Soris, isic sainteresoa,
Tamaris natura safrangeT-
Si gamgzavrebamde da iqidan dabrunebis
Semdeg rogori iyo, anu
Seicvala Tu ara? zogadad, bevri
kriteriumia, romelic piradad
CemTvis, ucnobia da amitom
daskvnis gakeTebis saSualeba
ar maqvs, ra xdeba.
_ batono kote, gasagebia,
rom bevri ram ar viciT da amitom
daskvnis gakeTeba Wirs, ma-
gram im masalebis mixedviT, rac
arsebobs, ras fiqrobT _ ba-
CaliaSvilis sikvdili dana-
Saulia Tu ara?
_ diax, danaSaulia.
_ damisabuTeT, ratom?
_ adamiani, miT umetes, Tu is
daprogramebulia, Tavis mosaklavad
adgilis Zebnas ar daiwyebs.
_ amiT risi Tqma gindaT?
_ Tu adamians suicidi aqvs
gadawyvetili, maSin is nebismier
adgilas moiklavs Tavs! mokled,
yvelafer aqedan Cans, rom am
adamianze garkveuli fsiqologiuri
zemoqmedebis elementebi
iyo, Tumca am zemoqmedebas
piri axdenda, pirTa jgufi Tu
uwyebebi, es sagamoZiebo organoebma
unda gamoikvlion. magram
imas, rasac vuyureb, operatiuli
saqmianoba ar hqvia.
_ aba, ra hqvia?
_ analogiuri danaSauli maSin
rom momxdariyo, roca me uSiSroebis
organoebSi vmuSaobdi,
gamoZiebas mTeli marSrutis SeswavliT
daviwyebdiT.
_ Tamaris marSruti
gauCinarebis dResve Seiswavles
`operatiuli-samZebro saqmianobaSi mTeli
agenturul-operatiuli RonisZiebebi unda
CaerTos, anu Sesabamisi agenturul-
operatiuli informaciiT, SesaZloa,
videokamerebis Canawerebis gareSec dadgindes,
Tamari sad gadaadgildeboda~
da swored ase daadgina poli-
ciam, rom bolos e. w. Wkvianma
kameram is sofel xaiSTan daa-
fiqsira.
_ marSrutis Seswavla mxolod
videokameris Canawerebis Seswavla
ar aris. operatiuli-sam-
Zebro saqmianobaSi mTeli agenturul-operatiuli
RonisZiebebi
unda CaerTos, anu Sesabamisi
agenturul-operatiuli informaciiT,
SesaZloa, videokamerebis
Canawerebis gareSec dadgindes,
Tamari sad gadaadgildeboda.
_ batono kote, Tqveni gamoc-
dilebidan gamomdinare, ras
fiqrobT, Tamarze dakvirveba
didi xnis ganmavlobaSi mimdinareobda
da igive e. w. Seyvarebuli
Tu megobaric miugzavnes,
Tu yvelaferi sponta-
nurad moxda?
_ ara, yvelaferi didi xnis
zemoqmedebis Sedegia. zogadad,
zemoqmedeba erT dReSi SeuZlebelia,
anu adamianze zemoqmedeba
erTxel rom moaxdinos, igi
meore dResve fsiqologTan ar
gaiqceva.
_ e. i., uSvebT, rom baCana
lobJaniZe Tundac Tveebis Tu
wlebis winaT mizanmimarTulad
miugzavnes?
_ es kvlevis sagania, Tumca
yvelaferi dasaSvebia.
sxvaTa Soris, „mTavarze” baCana
lobJaniZisa da miSa ramiSvilis
gamosvla vnaxe da SemiZlia,
giTxraT, rom es biWi Zalian
araadekvaturia.
_ ratom?
_ es pirovneba specsamsaxurebisTvis
Zalian advilad mowyvladia
da imis daSvebac SeiZleba,
rom igi garkveuli zemoqmedebis
qveSaa.
_ amas ris safuZvelze am-
bobT?
_ jer erTi, Temidan Temaze
gadaxteba xolme.
_ ase „gadaxtomebiT” Zalian
bevri adamiani saubrobs.
_ ki batono, magram specsamsaxurebSi
specialurad aswavlian,
rom adamianma bevr rameze
ilaparakos, magram am laparakidan,
saerTo jamSi, veravin veraferi
unda gaigos. sxvaTa
Soris, imasac mivaqcie yuradReba,
rom es axalgazrda ymawvili
xSirad icinoda.
_ mere?
_ im dros, roca adamiani garkveul
kiTxvebze pasuxs gaurbis,
icinis xolme. am „Seyvarebuls”
ki saubrisas mudmivad eRimeba,
rac, minimum, araadekvaturia.
_ araadeqvaturi ratomaa?
_ es biWi, rogorc ambobs, Seyvarebulia
da didi travma gadaitana
_ klasikurad asea: roca
sayvareli adamiani am qveynidan
midis, miT umetes, gaurkvevel
viTarebaSi, cxadia, es Senzec
zemoqmedebs, magram am pirovnebas
es ar etyoba. mokled, Cemi,
rogorc profesionalis azriT,
araTu Zalian saintereso, aramed,
uSualod am pirovnebis kontaqtebic
Sesaswavlia. amas garda,
gamoZiebam yvela is kontaqtic
unda Seiswavlos, visTanac
uSualod Tamars hqonda urTierToba.
minimum, am kontaqtebis
telefonebi satelefono an-
ZebiT unda Semowmdes.
_ es gamoZiebas ras miscems?
_ xom SeiZleba, zustad im
momentSi, sadac bolos baCaliaSvili
imyofeboda, vinmes kvali
aRmoCndes?..
_ e. i., Tqven rom xelgewifebodeT,
batono kote, Tamar ba-
CaliaSvilis yvela nacnobs
SeamowmebdiT da SeiswavlidiT?
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, axlo kontaqtebi
aucileblad Sesaswavlia.
_ da es kontaqtebi drois ra
intervalSi unda Semowmdes?
_ minimum, bolo erTi Tvis
vadaSi...
_ ise, Tqveni azriT, am saqme-
Si aSS-is federaluri biuros
CarTva rames Secvlis?
_ diax, bevr rames.
_ saxeldobr?
_ albaT, miaqcieT yuradReba,
rom baCaliaSvilis saqmis gamo-
ZiebaSi saxelmwifo inspeqtori
CaerTo.
_ diax, magram amaze yura-
dRebas ratom amaxvilebT?
_ iciT, gamoZiebaSi saxelmwifo
inspeqtoris CarTva ras
niSnavs?
_ ras?
_ saxelmwifo inspeqtoris
samsaxuri imitom Seiqmna, rom
samoxeleo danaSauli da gadacdomebi
Seiswavlos, anu es, praqtikulad,
generaluri inspeqciaa.
roca saqmeSi generaluri
inspeqcia erTveba, e. i., es imas
niSnavs, rom gamoZieba ise ar midis,
rogorc saWiroa, Tumca ar
mgonia, rom Sedegi am samsaxurma
mainc dados.
_ ratom?
_ saxelmwifo inspeqtoris
samsaxurs is struqturebi ar
aqvs, romliTac samZebro saqmianobas
ganaxorcielebs. ise, vimedovneb,
rom Zalovan uwyebaSi
Zveli kadrebi arian darCenilebi,
romlebic am saqmes bolomde
miiyvanen!
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