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Cveulebrivi moqalaqe gaxdeba~
yavasa da peplebze saubroben,
Zalian cdebian. amerikelebi pirdapir
eubnebian ivaniSvils, Tu
ra elodeba arCevnebis gayalbebis
SemTxvevaSi. amerikelma kongresmenebma
da senatorebma saqarTveloze
dapatronebul rus
oligarqs gasagebi eniT auxsnes,
rom vaSingtons SeuZlia is erT
Cveulebriv adamianad aqcios.
amerikas aseT Temebze xumroba
rom ar uyvars, es moldovel
miliarder ploxotniukisTvis
sanqciebis dawesebiTac gamoCnda.
is adamiani qveynidan gaiqca. mas-
Tan SedarebiT ivaniSvili ufro
mZime mdgomareobaSia.
_ ufro mZime mdgomareobaSi
ratom aris?
_ imitom, rom is versad
gaiqceva.
_ ruseTSi ver ipovis TavS-
esafars?
_ ruseTsac ver Seafarebs
Tavs. iq mtrebi hyavs, Tavis
droze Zalian bevri xalxi gadaagdo
da amaze mas aucleblad
mosTxoven pasuxs. arCevnebs Tu
gaayalbebs, veRarc saqarTvelo-
Si gaCerdeba. ara mgonia, rom
„qarTuli ocnebis” an misi romelime
wevris gamo rusma oligarqma
sakuTari finansebi da Tavi
gawiros. oligarqma kargad icis,
rom mis miliardebs safrTxe
emuqreba. vaSingtonma Cvens qveyanas
ukve daado sanqciebi da im
daxmarebis 15% mogvaklo, romelic
saqarTveloSi modioda.
aseTi rame eduard SevardnaZis
mmarTvelobis drosac ki ar momxdara.
sityvieri gafrTxilebidan
amerika ukve qmediT nabijebze
gadavida. vaSingtoni yvela
Tavisi qmedebiT da gancxadebiT
„qarTul ocnebas” eubneba, rom
maT xelisufleba unda gadaabaron.
ar gadaabareben da moxvdebaT.
yvelaze metad moxvdeba rus
oligarqs. kidev erTxel vimeoreb,
rom ivaniSvili arc „ocnebis”
wevrebisa da arc „ocnebis”
amomrCevlis gamo ar Seuqmnis
Tavis finansebs safrTxes. mas
saqarTvelos mosaxleoba erT
TeTradac ki ar uRirs.
_ ivaniSvili „ocnebis” gadarCenas
sakuTari qonebis gadar-
Cenas amjobinebs, magram isic
unda aRiniSnos, rom arc meocnebeebi
gadahyvebian rus oli-
garqs. mas Tu rame problemebi
Seeqmneba, maSinve miatoveben.
_ mis garSemo sul medroveebi
arian Semokrebili. dainaxaven
Tu ara, rom ivaniSvili marcxdeba
arCevnebSi, pirvelebi Caartyamen
zurgSi danas „qarTuli ocnebis”
liders. aseTi ambebi araerTxel
gvinaxavs qarTul politikaSi.
ivaniSvili maTgan ganwirulia
da Cvenc axali sazrunavi
gagviCndeba. arasamTavroboebma
da sazogadoebam yvelaferi unda
gavakeToT, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”
navidan gadmomxtari adamianebi
opoziciam ar Seiwovos.
erTi da igive wreze siaruli
unda davamTavroT.
_ amis gakeTeba martivi ar
iqneba, es adamianebi iseTi
`natos wevrebi Tu gavxdiT, Cveni usafrTxoeba srulad iqneba daculi.
ruseTi erT nabijsac veRar gadmodgams Cvenken. axali teritoriebis
mitaceba ki ara, okupirebuli afxazeTisa da cxinvalis regionis dabrunebac
mouwevT. dasavluri mimarTulebiT Tu gavagrZelebT siaruls, Cvens qveyanas
namdvilad Rirseuli momavali eqneba~
gamocdilebi arian erTi navidan
meoreSi gadaxtomaSi, rom maT-
Tan gamklaveba Zalian rTuli
iqneba, Tu SeuZlebeli ara.
_ Zalian rTuli iqneba, magram
es aucileblad unda gavakeToT.
rodemde unda trialebdes es
saxeebi qarTul politikaSi?
maTi atana ukve SeuZlebelia.
_ amis gakeTebas rogor
apirebT?
_ medroveebi politikur
procesebs unda CamovaSoroT.
sxvanairad ver gavwmendT politikur
vels. me kargad maxsovs,
xelisuflebaSi mosvlamde rogor
gaiZaxoda „qarTuli ocneba”,
rom murusiZe cudi iyo. mas Semdeg,
rac „ocneba” movida xelisuflebaSi,
cudi murusiZe uc-
N19 (321) 11.08-17.08.2020 w.
bad kai tipi gaxda da samudamod
daniSnes mosamarTled. yvelam
kargad viciT, vin arian dRes
„qarTul ocnebaSi”. viciT, vis
akritikebs opozicia, es adamianebi
politikaSi aRar unda darCnen.
da aRaravin unda gviTxras,
rom es maSin iyvnen cudebi,
Torem axla Zalian kargebi ariano.
am cudma adamianebma ki keTili
inebon da wavidnen saxlSi.
Tu CaTvlian, rom usamarTlod
moeqcnen, mimarTon sasamarTlos.
oRond im sasamarTlos,
romelic politikuri dakveTebisgan
Tavisufali iqneba. partiidan
partiaSi gadaxtoma unda
dasruldes. es demokratiasac
azaralebs da qveynis ganviTarebasac
uSlis xels. aseTi xalxis
`2012 wlidan moyolebuli vambobT, rom
saqarTvelos marTavs rusi oligarqi. rusma
oligarqma erTi wlis winaT premierad
ruseTis moqalaqe gaxaria dagvisva. aqamde
dasavleTSi amis ar sjerodaT. axla mTeli
evropa da amerika imaze saubrobs, rom
saqarTvelos rusi oligarqi marTavs.
amerikeli kongresmenebi da senatorebi
pirdapir weren dokumentebSi, rom
saqarTvelos saTaveSi putinTan daaxloebuli
oligarqi zis. dasavleTma ukve yvelaferi
gaigo, saTanadod Seafasa viTareba, amitom
Semodgomaze saqarTveloSi dagegmili arCevnebi
ise aRar Caivlis, rogorc aqamde iyo~
Sewovas kargi rom araferi moaqvs,
amaze dRes arsebuli vi-
Tarebac metyvelebs. imis magivrad,
rom qveyana ganviTarebuliyo
da win wavsuliyaviT, ukan,
90-ian wlebSi davbrundiT. im periodisgan
dRevandeloba mxolod
imiT gansxvavdeba, rom axla
deni da gazi gvaqvs. danarCeni
yvelaferi isea, rogorc maSin.
adamianebs quCaSi gasvlis eSiniaT.
dRe ise ar gava, rom vinme ar
Cacxrilon, vinme ar awamon, vinme
ar daayaCaRon, vinme ar gaaupatiuron.
policielebis mokvlasac
ar eridebian. mere vnaxulobT,
rom adgeba Cveni prezidenti
da mkvlelebsa da pedofilebs
Seiwyalebs.
_ samagierod uars ityvis
politpatimris Sewyalebaze. man
gviTxra, rom giorgi ruruas ar
Seiwyalebs.
_ ar Seiwyalebs imitom, rom
biZina ivaniSvilisgan aseTi davaleba
ar aqvs miRebuli. Tavad es
qali arafers rom ar wyvets,
bavSvebmac ki ician. qveyanaSi amdeni
problemaa da prezidenti
raRac antikvarebs dasdevs. esec
ar ikmara da mTeli saqarTvelo
moiara. Tuki sadme SeiZleboda
dasveneba, daisvena. Tan iqiT dagvado
vali _ imitom davdivar,
Sida turizmi unda ganvaviTaroo.
igi araadekvaturia. is oligarqs
prezidentad imitom ar
dauniSnavs, rom man raRac politikuri
gadawyvetilebebi miiRos,
is imitom dainiSna am postze,
rom kargi mona iyos. massa da
ivaniSvils Soris aseTi SeTanxmeba
arsebobs. vfiqrob, rom salome
zurabiSvils giorgi ruruas
Sewyaleba mainc mouwevs. ufro
zusti oqneba Tu vityvi, rom
am gadawyvetilebas ivaniSvils
miaRebineben. Tavis droze irakli
oqruaSvilisa da gigi ugulavas
Sewyalebazec uars ambobdnen,
magram dasavleTidan mkacri
gafrTxileba miiRes. dasavleli
partniorebis TandaswrebiT gaformda
SeTanxmeba, rom politpatimrebi
cixes datovebdnen,
maT Soris ruruas gvaric iyo
naxsenebi. is isev cixeSi rCeba.
ivaniSvilma dasavleTi maSinac
gadaagdo, roca misma monebma sakonstitucio
cvlileba Caagdes,
romlis miRebis SemTxvevaSi saqarTveloSi
arCevnebi srulad
proporciuli wesiT Catardeboda.
am gadagdebebis gamo mas
mwared moxvdeba cxvirSi, saku-
Tar tyavze kidev igrZnobs, Tu
rogor reagirebs dasavleTi
gadagdebaze. erTi Zalian mniSvnelovani
ambavi minda vuTxra
„qronika+”-s: amerikaSi saqarTvelos
elC daviT baqraZes aravin
aRar elaparakeba. Cven gvyavs
nacnobebi amerikaSi, romlebsac
kongresTan da senatTan aqvT
Sexeba. isini gviyvebian, Tu rogor
dadis daviT baqraZe 5 lobistTan
erTad, cdilobs, vinmes
daelaparakos, magram arc kongresmenebi
elaparakebian da arc
_ senatorebi.
_ ratom?
_ ratom unda daelaparakon?
jer iyo da rusma oligarqma
anakliis portis mSenebloba gaa-
Cera, mere iyo da amerikul kompania
„fronteras” Seuqmnes
problemebi. vaSingtonisTvis
„frontera” Zalian mniSvnelovani
kompania. am kompaniis wyalobiT
amerikelebma Sansi mogvces,
rom energodamoukidebloba
mogvepovebina. „qarTulma ocnebam”
ki „fronteras” uCivla da
kompanias dRemde aSantaJeben.
aseTi rame rom xdeba, imitomac
ar elaparakebian amerikelebi
elC daviT baqraZes. naTeli da
aSkaraa, rom vaSingtoni rus oligarqTan
saubars aRar apirebs.
amerikelebs ukve miRebuli aqvT
gadawyvetileba _ biZina ivaniSvils
mouwevs pasuxisgeba.
_ Cven erTi Tvis winaTac vi-
saubreT imaze, rom ivaniSvili
SeiZleba, „ocnebis” pirveli
nomeri gaxdes. erTi periodi am
Temaze saubari Sewyda, axla isev
alaparakdnen. jer saboloo
gadawyvetileba araa, magram
„ocnebis” kuluarebSi amboben,
rom pirveli nomeri is iqneba,
meore _ gaxaria.
_ amaze imas getyviT, rac ma-
Sin gipasuxeT. ivaniSvilis siaSi
pirvel nomrad Casma niSnavs imas,
rom is eZebs politikur garantiebs.
is cdilobs moipovos imuniteti,
raTa xelSeuxebeli iyo.
_ sanqciebisgan es imuniteti
ver daicavs.
_ veranairad. saqarTveloSi
imunitetis gamo SeiZleba xeli
ar axlon, magram amerikelebi mas
Cveulebriv adamianad aqceven.
_ ivaniSvili Raribi deputatis
rolSi raRac ver warmomid-
genia.
_ SeuZlebeli araferia. amerikelebs
sxva miliarderebic uqceviaT
Cveulebriv adamianebad
da arc ivaniSvils daindoben.
vaSingtoni ver itans, roca ra-
Racaze SeTanxmebas miaRweven da
mere gadaagdeben. ivaniSvils sakuTar
tyavze gamoacdevineben
imasac, Tu rogor reagirebs vaSingtoni
amerikuli biznesis Seviwroebaze.
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