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871 Fixed-term Parliaments Bill 1 DECEMBER 2010 Fixed-term Parliaments Bill 872 [Mr Jenkin] Moreover, the Minister has rested his justification for the Bill on the assertion that it would not be possible to write these provisions into the Standing Orders, which would be automatically immune. Let me read from the Clerk’s memorandum again. He said that “a Standing Order regulating the matters in the Bill could provide for its staying in effect unless repealed by a specified majority”, meaning that it could be entrenched, “for example by…equal to or greater than two thirds of the number of seats in the House. Not only is the principle of specifying majorities already written into the Standing Orders of the House, but in the past the House has also required a relative majority for reaching decision.” My hon. Friend the Minister also dismissed the comments that I read from Mr Robert Rogers, the Clerk Assistant and Director General, who made it clear that we can not only write into our Standing Orders provisions requiring super-majorities, but entrench a—[Interruption.] I am rather distressed that the Minister is not even listening to what I am saying. We can entrench a Standing Order with its own super-majority so that it could be removed only by a super-majority, if that is what the House chose to do. The whole basis of the Government’s advice remains contested by the Clerks. The basis of the Bill—that this has to be done through statute—also remains contested by the Clerks. I doubt that we will win the vote in the Committee this afternoon, but the Minister has failed to give a full response or to acknowledge any of the points that have been made. His subsection refers to a Speaker’s “certificate under this section”, which is very unspecific. At least the amendment states “Any certificate of the Speaker of the House of Commons given under this section shall be conclusive for all purposes”. That word “any” and the reference to the Speaker make it clear that whatever the Speaker issues is uncontested, rather than leave it open to the courts to determine whether the certificate presented by the Speaker complies with the legislation. I am afraid that the Minister has not satisfied me and I do not think that he has satisfied a great many of my colleagues on the Government Benches or in the official Opposition. I want to press the amendment to a vote. Question put, That the amendment be made. The Committee proceeded to a Division. Tessa Munt (Wells) (LD): On a point of order, Mr Evans. At lunchtime today I was sitting in the Terrace cafeteria and, for the second time in a fortnight, I was unable to hear the Division bells at all. There was nothing to indicate that a vote was taking place. Can you facilitate Members’ ability to vote if they are sitting in that area, perhaps by asking the Badge Messengers to inform them that a vote is taking place while the problem is sorted out? The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means (Mr Nigel Evans): Thank you for that point of order. I must say that I have taken a number of points of order in a similar vein since taking the Chair on 8 June, and this is clearly worrying for Members as well as irritating for the Chair. I will instruct that the matter be fully investigated, not just in the area that the hon. Lady has spoken about, but throughout the parliamentary estate. Clearly, it could affect the outcome of a vote. In the short term, I ask that, every time there is a Division today, a messenger goes particularly to that part of the House to ensure that Members are made aware that a Division is taking place. The Committee having divided: Ayes 231, Noes 295. Division No. 138] [3.42 pm Abbott, Ms Diane Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob Alexander, rh Mr Douglas Alexander, Heidi Ali, Rushanara Austin, Ian Bain, Mr William Balls, rh Ed Banks, Gordon Barron, rh Mr Kevin Bayley, Hugh Bell, Sir Stuart Benn, rh Hilary Berger, Luciana Betts, Mr Clive Blackman-Woods, Roberta Blears, rh Hazel Blenkinsop, Tom Blomfield, Paul Blunkett, rh Mr David Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben Brennan, Kevin Brown, Lyn Brown, rh Mr Nicholas Brown, Mr Russell Bryant, Chris Buck, Ms Karen Buckland, Mr Robert Burden, Richard Burnham, rh Andy Byrne, rh Mr Liam Cairns, David Campbell, Mr Alan Campbell, Mr Ronnie Caton, Martin Chapman, Mrs Jenny Clark, Katy Clarke, rh Mr Tom Clwyd, rh Ann Coaker, Vernon Coffey, Ann Cooper, Rosie Corbyn, Jeremy Crausby, Mr David Creagh, Mary Creasy, Stella Cruddas, Jon Cunningham, Alex Cunningham, Mr Jim Cunningham, Tony Curran, Margaret Dakin, Nic Danczuk, Simon Darling, rh Mr Alistair Davidson, Mr Ian Davies, Geraint Dobson, rh Frank Dodds, rh Mr Nigel Donohoe, Mr Brian H. Doran, Mr Frank AYES Doyle, Gemma Dromey, Jack Dugher, Michael Durkan, Mark Eagle, Ms Angela Eagle, Maria Edwards, Jonathan Efford, Clive Ellman, Mrs Louise Engel, Natascha Esterson, Bill Evans, Chris Field, rh Mr Frank Fitzpatrick, Jim Flint, rh Caroline Fovargue, Yvonne Francis, Dr Hywel Gapes, Mike Gardiner, Barry Gilmore, Sheila Glass, Pat Godsiff, Mr Roger Goggins, rh Paul Goodman, Helen Greatrex, Tom Green, Kate Greenwood, Lilian Griffith, Nia Gwynne, Andrew Hain, rh Mr Peter Hanson, rh Mr David Harman, rh Ms Harriet Harris, Mr Tom Havard, Mr Dai Healey, rh John Hendrick, Mark Hepburn, Mr Stephen Heyes, David Hillier, Meg Hilling, Julie Hodge, rh Margaret Hodgson, Mrs Sharon Hollobone, Mr Philip Hosie, Stewart Howarth, rh Mr George Hunt, Tristram Irranca-Davies, Huw James, Mrs Siân C. Jamieson, Cathy Johnson, rh Alan Johnson, Diana Jones, Graham Jones, Helen Jones, Mr Kevan Jones, Susan Elan Jowell, rh Tessa Joyce, Eric Kaufman, rh Sir Gerald Keeley, Barbara Keen, Alan Kendall, Liz
873 Fixed-term Parliaments Bill 1 DECEMBER 2010 Fixed-term Parliaments Bill 874 Khan, rh Sadiq Lammy, rh Mr David Lavery, Ian Leslie, Chris Lloyd, Tony Llwyd, Mr Elfyn Love, Mr Andrew Lucas, Caroline Lucas, Ian MacNeil, Mr Angus Brendan Mactaggart, Fiona Mahmood, Mr Khalid Mahmood, Shabana Main, Mrs Anne Mann, John Marsden, Mr Gordon McCann, Mr Michael McCarthy, Kerry McClymont, Gregg McDonagh, Siobhain McFadden, rh Mr Pat McGovern, Jim McGuire, rh Mrs Anne McKechin, Ann McKinnell, Catherine Meacher, rh Mr Michael Mearns, Ian Michael, rh Alun Miliband, rh David Miller, Andrew Moon, Mrs Madeleine Morden, Jessica Morrice, Graeme (Livingston) Morris, Grahame M. (Easington) Mudie, Mr George Munn, Meg Murphy, rh Mr Jim Murphy, rh Paul Murray, Ian Nandy, Lisa Nash, Pamela Nuttall, Mr David O’Donnell, Fiona Onwurah, Chi Owen, Albert Paisley, Ian Pearce, Teresa Perkins, Toby Pound, Stephen Qureshi, Yasmin Raynsford, rh Mr Nick Rees-Mogg, Jacob Reynolds, Emma Reynolds, Jonathan Riordan, Mrs Linda Robertson, Angus Adams, Nigel Aldous, Peter Alexander, rh Danny Andrew, Stuart Arbuthnot, rh Mr James Bacon, Mr Richard Bagshawe, Ms Louise Baker, Norman Baker, Steve Baldry, Tony NOES Robertson, John Robinson, Mr Geoffrey Rotheram, Steve Roy, Mr Frank Roy, Lindsay Ruane, Chris Ruddock, rh Joan Sarwar, Anas Seabeck, Alison Shannon, Jim Sharma, Mr Virendra Sheerman, Mr Barry Shepherd, Mr Richard Sheridan, Jim Shuker, Gavin Simpson, David Singh, Mr Marsha Skinner, Mr Dennis Slaughter, Mr Andy Smith, Angela Smith, Nick Smith, Owen Soulsby, Sir Peter Spellar, rh Mr John Stringer, Graham Stuart, Ms Gisela Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry Thomas, Mr Gareth Thornberry, Emily Timms, rh Stephen Trickett, Jon Turner, Mr Andrew Turner, Karl Twigg, Derek Twigg, Stephen Umunna, Mr Chuka Vaz, rh Keith Vaz, Valerie Walker, Mr Charles Walley, Joan Watson, Mr Tom Watts, Mr Dave Whiteford, Dr Eilidh Whitehead, Dr Alan Williams, Hywel Williamson, Chris Wilson, Phil Wilson, Sammy Winterton, rh Ms Rosie Wishart, Pete Woodcock, John Woodward, rh Mr Shaun Wright, David Wright, Mr Iain Tellers for the Ayes: Mr David Hamilton and Mr Bernard Jenkin Baldwin, Harriett Barclay, Stephen Barker, Gregory Barwell, Gavin Bebb, Guto Beith, rh Sir Alan Benyon, Richard Beresford, Sir Paul Berry, Jake Bingham, Andrew Birtwistle, Gordon Blackman, Bob Blackwood, Nicola Blunt, Mr Crispin Boles, Nick Bottomley, Peter Bradley, Karen Brake, Tom Bray, Angie Brazier, Mr Julian Bridgen, Andrew Brokenshire, James Brooke, Annette Browne, Mr Jeremy Bruce, Fiona Bruce, rh Malcolm Burley, Mr Aidan Burns, Conor Burrowes, Mr David Burstow, Paul Burt, Lorely Byles, Dan Cable, rh Vince Cairns, Alun Campbell, rh Sir Menzies Carmichael, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Neil Clappison, Mr James Clark, rh Greg Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Coffey, Dr Thérèse Collins, Damian Colvile, Oliver Crabb, Stephen Crockart, Mike Crouch, Tracey Davey, Mr Edward Davies, David T. C. (Monmouth) Davies, Glyn Davis, rh Mr David de Bois, Nick Dinenage, Caroline Djanogly, Mr Jonathan Dorrell, rh Mr Stephen Dorries, Nadine Doyle-Price, Jackie Duddridge, James Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain Dunne, Mr Philip Ellis, Michael Ellison, Jane Ellwood, Mr Tobias Elphicke, Charlie Evans, Graham Evans, Jonathan Evennett, Mr David Fabricant, Michael Fallon, Michael Farron, Tim Featherstone, Lynne Field, Mr Mark Foster, Mr Don Fox,rhDrLiam Francois, rh Mr Mark Freeman, George Fullbrook, Lorraine Fuller, Richard Gale, Mr Roger Garnier, Mr Edward Garnier, Mark Gauke, Mr David George, Andrew Gibb, Mr Nick Gilbert, Stephen Gillan, rh Mrs Cheryl Goodwill, Mr Robert Gove, rh Michael Graham, Richard Grant, Mrs Helen Gray, Mr James Grayling, rh Chris Green, Damian Greening, Justine Grieve, rh Mr Dominic Griffiths, Andrew Gummer, Ben Halfon, Robert Hames, Duncan Hammond, Stephen Hancock, Matthew Hands, Greg Harper, Mr Mark Harrington, Richard Harris, Rebecca Hart, Simon Harvey, Nick Haselhurst, rh Sir Alan Heald, Mr Oliver Heath, Mr David Heaton-Harris, Chris Hemming, John Henderson, Gordon Hendry, Charles Herbert, rh Nick Hermon, Lady Hinds, Damian Hollingbery, George Holloway, Mr Adam Hopkins, Kris Horwood, Martin Howarth, Mr Gerald Howell, John Hughes, Simon Huhne, rh Chris Hunter, Mark Huppert, Dr Julian Hurd, Mr Nick Jackson, Mr Stewart Johnson, Gareth Johnson, Joseph Jones, Andrew Jones, Mr David Jones, Mr Marcus Kawczynski, Daniel Kelly, Chris Knight, rh Mr Greg Kwarteng, Kwasi Laing, Mrs Eleanor Lamb, Norman Lancaster, Mark Latham, Pauline Laws, rh Mr David Leadsom, Andrea Lee, Jessica Lee, Dr Phillip Leech, Mr John Lefroy, Jeremy Leigh, Mr Edward Leslie, Charlotte Lewis, Brandon Lilley, rh Mr Peter
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