efore, and I am hopeful we can get that on the calendar early inSeptember, and that is our strong interest.Admiral TURNER. The CIA certainly has no objection to that proposedlegislation, sir. It is not my role in the administration to be thesupporter of it or the endorser of it.Senator KENNEDY. As a personal matter, since you have reviewedthese subjects, would you comment? I know it is maybe unusual, butyou can understand what we are attempting to do.Admiral TURNER. Yes, sir.Senator KENNEDY. From your own experience in the agency, youcan understand the value of it.Just finally, in your own testimony now with this additional information,it seems quite apparent to me that you can reconstruct in verycareful detail this whole project in terms of the responsible CIAofficials for the program. You have so indicated in your testimony.Now with the additional information, and the people, that have beenrevealed in the examination of the documents, it seems to be prettyclear that you can track that whole program in very careful detail,and I would hope, you know, that you would want to get to the bottomof it, as the Congress does as well. I will come back to that in my nextround. Thank you very much.Senator INOUYE. Senator Goldwater?Senator GOLDWATER. I have no questions.Senator INOUYE. Senator Schweiker?Senator SCHWEIKER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Admiral Turner, I would like to go back to your testimony on page12, where you discuss the contribution to the building fund of aprivate medical institution. You state, "Indeed, it was mentioned in a1957 Inspector General report on the Technical Service Division ofCIA, pertinent portions of which had been reviewed by the Churchcommittee staff." I would like to have you consider this question verycarefully. I served as a member of the original Church committee.My staffer did a lot of the work that you are referring to here. Hemade notes on the IG's report. My question to you is, are you sayingthat the section that specifically delineates an improper contributionwas in fact given to the Church committee staff to see?Admiral TURNER. The answer to your question is "Yes." The informationthat a contribution had been made was made available, to thebest of my knowledge.Senator SCHWEIKER. Only certain sections of the report were madeavailable. The report had to be reviewed out at Langley; it was notreviewed here, and copies were not given to us here. I just want you tocarefully consider what you are saying, because the only record wehave are the notes that the staff took on anything that was ofsignificance.Admiral TURNER. My understanding was that Mr. Maxwell wasshown the relevant portion of this report that disclosed that the contributionhad been made.Senator SCHWEIKER. To follow this up further, I'd like to say thatI think there was a serious flaw in the way that the IG report washandled and the Church committee was limited. I am not making anyaccusations, but because of limited access to the report, we have a situ-
ation where it is not even clear whether we actually saw that materialor not, simply because we could not keep a copy of the report underthe procedures we had to follow. We were limited by notetaking, andso it is rather ambiguous as to just what was seen and what was notseen. I certainly hope that the new Intelligence Committee will notbe bound by procedures that so restrict its ability to exercise effectiveoversight.I have a second question. Does it concern you, Admiral, that we useda subterfuge which resulted in the use of Federal construction grantfunds to finance facilities for these sorts of experiments on our ownpeople? Because as I understand what you are saying, while the CIAmaybe only put up $375,000, this triggered a response on the part ofthe Federal Government to provide on a good faith basis matchinghospital funds at the same level. We put up more than $1 million ofmatching funds, some based on an allegedly private donation whichwas really CIA money.Isn't there something basically wrong with that?Admiral TURNER. I certainly believe there is. As I stated, the GeneralCounsel of the CIA at that time rendered a legal opinion thatthis was a legal undertaking, and again I am hesitant to go back andrevisit the atmosphere, the laws, the attitudes at that time, so whetherthe counsel was on good legal ground or not, I am not enough of alawyer to be sure, but it certainly would occur to me if it happenedtoday as a very questionable activity.Senator SCH1WEIKER. Well, I think those of us who worked on andamended the Hill-Burton Act and other hospital construction assistancelaws over the years, would have a rather different opinion onthe legal intent or object of Congress in passing laws to provide hospitalconstruction project money. These funds weren't intended forthis.It reminds me a little bit of the shellfish toxin situation which turnedup when I was on the Church committee. The Public Health Servicewas used to produce a deadly poison with Public Health money. Herewe are using general hospital construction money to carry on a series ofdrug experiments.Admiral TURNER. Excuse me, sir. If I could just be, I think, accurate,I don't think any of this $375,000 or the matching funds wereused to conduct drug experiments. They were used to build the hospital.Now, the CIA then put more money into a foundation that wasconducting research on the CIA's behalf supposedly in that hospital, sothe intent was certainly there, but the money was not used forexperimentation.Senator SCHWEIKER. Well, I understand it was used for bricks andmortar, but the bricks were used to build the facility where the experimentswere carried on; were they not?Admiral TURNER. We do not have positive evidence that they were.It certainly would seem that that was the intent, but I do not want todraw inferences here-Senator SCHWEIKER. Well, why else would they give this money forthe building fund if the building was not used for a purpose thatbenefited the CIA program?Admiral TURNER. I certainly draw the inference that the CIAexpected to benefit from it, and some of the wording says the General
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