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Senator SCHWEIKER. Well, I am confused, because here again is anotherquote from a document that we have seen, which you have releasedand supplied to us:Following is the technical progress made under the current [deleted] contract:(a) Specialized instrumentation and numerous testing techniques have beendeveloped to obtain the desired dynamic data; (b) considerable data has nowbeen obtained supporting the resonance-cav~ilation theory of brain concussion; and(c) preliminary accelerationi threshold data has been obtained for a fluid-filledglass simulated skull.It goes on to talk about a blast range and a 2 , 5 0 0 -square-foot laboratory.The document notes that "Three blast test series have been runto date." It describes a special blackjack device, "a pancake-type blackjackgiving a high peak impact force with a low unit surface pressure."I agree the records are inconclusive as to the results of this work,but it certainly seems that some testing was done.Mr. LAUBINGER. Senator, you are putting us in the same positionI think you were stating that you were in earlier in referring to docunmentsnot before us, but I believe you are quoting from a proposaLthat someone sent to the Agency to fund this work, and he is referringto past work. The past work would have encompassed a lot of thingslike that, but CIA was not involved with that.Senator SCHWETKER. What do you mean, Admiral, on page 6 of yourtestimony when you mention projects using magician's art? How domagicians get into the spook business?Admiral TURNER. I have interpreted this as to how to slip the mickeyinto the finn, but I would like to ask my advisers here to comment.Mr. Bory. I think that is essentially it, Senator. It is surreptitiousadministration of material to someone, deceptive practices, how todistract someone's attention while you are doing something else, asI understand it. It was also some type of a covert communicationproject involved with the study of how magicians and their assistantsperhaps communicate mformation to one another without having otherpeople know it. This is the type of thing that was involved, sir.Senator SCHWEIKER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Senator INoUYE. Senator Huddleston?Senator HUDDLESTON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Admiral, in your checking these newly discovered documents andinterviewing members of the CIA staff, did you find information thatwould confirm the contention described by the reporters for the NewYork Times that this type of experimentation was begun out of afear at the Agency that foreign powers might have had drugs whichwould allow them to alter the behavior of American citizens or agentsor members of the Armed Forces who were taken into custody, andwhich would have resulted in false confessions and the like? Is myquestion clear?Admiral TURNER. Yes, sir. I haven't personally read the documentationon that. In my discussions with the people who are well informedin this area at the Agency, I am told that that is the case.Senator HUDDLESTON. Was there any evidence or any indication thatthere were other motives that the Agency might also be looking for(1-ugs that could be applied for other purposes, such as debilitating anindividual or even killing another person? Was this part of this kindof experimentation?