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Senator INoUYE. And Mr. John Gittinger, are you a former employeeof the Central Intelligence Agency?TESTIMONY OF JOHN GITTINGER, FORMER EMPLOYEE, CENTRALINTELLIGENCE AGENCYMr. GITINGER. I am.Senator INOuYE. Are you still an employee?Mr. GITINGER. No.Senator INouYE. Were you a member of the Agency at the timeMKULTRA was in operation?Mr. GITINGER. Yes.Senator INouYE. Thank you. Senator Kennedy.Senator KENNEDY. I want to welcome both of you to the committee.If we could start with Mr. Goldman. Were you the project engineerfor the safe houses in either San Francisco or New York?Mr. GOLDMAN. I-know of -no safei-ouse irrSan Francisco.Senator KENNEDY. How about in New York?Mr. GOLDMAN. I knew of one facility that was established there,but I didn't know anything of its operation.Senator KENNEDY. Were you a monitor on any testing of drugs onunwitting persons in San Francisco?Mr. GOLDMAN. No.Senator KENNEDY. Well, we have a classified document here that wasprovided by the Agency that lists your name as a monitor of the programand I would appreciate it if you would look-Mr. GOLDMAN. I think the misunderstanding arises because I wasproject officer.Senator KENNEDY. Well, would you take a look at that?[Mr. Goldman inspected the document.]Mr. GOLDMAN. This document as it states is correct. However,my-Senator KENNEDY. That document is correct?Mr. GOLDMAN. As far as I see on the first page, the project. Butmy-Senator KENNEDY. Well, could I get it back, please.That would indicate that you were a monitor of the program.Mr. GOLDMAN. I was in charge of disbursing the moneys to MorganHall.Senator KENNEDY. To whom was that?Mr. GOLDMAN. To the individual whose name was listed at the topof that document.Senator KENNEDY. And you knew that he was running the projectin San Francisco?Mr. GOLDMAN. I knew he was the person who was in charge outthere.Senator KENNEDY. All right.Mr. GOLDMAN. But I had no knowledge nor did I seek knowledge ofactually what he was doing, because there would be other thingsinvolved.I did receiveSenator KENNEDY. What were you doing?
Mr. GOLDMAN. I was collecting-I had to be sure that all the receiptsthat ever were turned in balanced with the moneys that werepaid out to see that everything was run all right. There was no illegaluse of funds as far as we could determine by the receipts and cash.Senator KENNEDY. So even though the Agency document indicatesthat you were a monitor for the program, one of the few monitors ofthat particular program which you mentioned for San Francisco andMill Valley, Calif., you described your responsibility only as a carrierof money, is that correct?Mr. GOLDMAN. I would say as a disburser or carrying out-seeingthat the moneys were handled properly. There was within that-Idon't know what's done or what he did do in conjunction with otherpeople.Senator KENNEDY. Were you responsible for the disbursement ofall the funds?Mr. GOLDMAN. I was responsible for turning over the check to him.Senator KENNEDY. And what did you know of the program itself?Mr. GOLDMAN. The only thing I knew of the program was what hefurnished us in terms of receipts and that sort of thing. I didn't indulgeor concern myself in that.Senator KENNEDY. You still wrote, and I'll let you examine itit'sa classified document-but you wrote a rather substantive reviewof the program in May of 1963, talking about the experiments, thefactual data that had been collected, covert and realistic field trials,albout the necessity of those particular-and talked about the effectivenessof the various programs, the efficiency of various deliverysystems. That doesn't sound to me like someone who is only-Mr. GOLDMAN. Well, if you would refresh my memory, if I couldread this I would certainly agree with whatever is said there, if it waswritten.Senator KENNEDY. I am trying to gather what your role was. You'veindicated first of all that you didn't know about-you knew about asafe house in New York; now we find out that you're the carrier forthe resources as well and the agent in San Francisco. We find out nowthat the CIA put you as a monitor. You're testifying that you only werethe courier, and here we have just one document, and there are manyothers that talk about the substance of that program with your nameon it and I am just trying to find out exactly what role you wereplaying.Mr. GOIDMAN. The only thing I can tell you about this and I amdrawing completely on my memory is that this individual who wasin charge out there conducted these things and reported them back tothe Afrency. I didn't participate in any of them. All I know was that hefurnished me with receipts for things that were done and told of thework that they had done.Senator KENNEnY. Well, that document covers more than receipts.Mr. GOLDMAN. Yes, it tells of what-they had conducted work outthere.Senator KENNEDY. It describes, does it not? Read the paragraph 2.Mr. GOT DMAN. "A numher of covert"Senator KENNEDY. Well, you can't read it, it's a classified document,and I don't know why, quite frankly, but it relates to the substance
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