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of those programs and your name is signed to the memorandums onit. I am not interested in you trying to review for us now what is in thedocument, but I think it would be unfortunate if we were left with theopinion that all you were was a courier of resources when we see adocument with your name on it, signed, that talks about the substanceof the program. And what we're interested in is the substance of theprogram. We have the recent documents that were provided by theAgency, which do indicate that you were at least involved in thesubstance, and I'm just trying to find out whether you're willing totell us about that.Mr. GOLDMAN. I am perfectly willing to tell you everything thatI can remember.Senator KENNEDY. But you can't remember anything.Mr. GOLDMAN. I can't remember the substantive parts of thesethings, I really can't.Senator KENNEDY. Of the program that was taking place.Do you have any greater familiarity with what was happening inNew York?Mr. GOLDMAN. No, no.Senator KENNEDY. And you have the same function with regardsto New York?Mr. GOLDMAN. The same function with regard to New York.Senator KENNEDY. Did you ever go to San Francisco?Mr. GOLDMAN. Yes.Senator KENNEDY. Did you meet with the agent in charge?Mr. GOLDMAN. Yes.Senator KENNEDY. And why aid you meet with him?Mr. GOLDMAN. To discuss some of the receipts and things that werethere to find out if these were indeed true expenditures and to find outif everything was going along all right for the work that was beingdone.Senator KENNEDY. What work was being done?Mr. GOLDMAN. No, the reports of these things and whatever wasbeing done. I don't know who he reported to but he did report tosomebody.Senator KENNEDY. You travel out there to find out about the workthat's being done, and what does he tell you, that the work is beingdone well and-Mr. GOLDMAN. He told me that the work that they were doing wasgoing along, progressing satisfactorily, but to be very frank withyou-Senator KENNEDY. But he didn't tell you what the work was?Mr. GOLDMAN. To be very frank with you, Senator, I cannot rememberthe things that happened back in those days. I've been awayfrom the company-from the Agency for over 10 years, and that iseven farther back than that, and that was just about the time when Ifirst engaged in this, so it was my first-Senator KENNEDY. Did they disburse a series of $100 checks, toyour recollection?Mr. GOLDMAN. I don't recollect it, but if you have it there, thenthey did.Senator KENNEDY. Did you know Dr. Gottlieb?Mr. GOLDMAN. Yes.