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`am arCevnebs `ocneba~
„guSin saRamos Cemi saarCevno
giorgi abaSiZe
plakatebi gaakres. Ramis 3-4 saa-
Tze is viRacebma Camoxies da
nagvis urnebTan miyar-moyares, RvTismSoblobis Rames xeva-
fxrewisTvis moicales. kanoniT akrZalulia vandalizmi da vin
arRvevs kanons? _ cxadia, is, visac kanonis dacva evaleba.
wina dRes aseTi viTareba iyo
soflis orRobeebSi: Cems sam
plakatze erTi duglaZis
plakati modioda da mosaxle-
obasTan Sexvedrisas aRvniSne
kidec _ 3:1 vigebT-meTqi.
didi yurebi aqvs „ocnebas”,
didi yurebi, magram patara Tavi
_ meore dRidanve, sadac Cemi
plakati naxes, 3-3 duglaZe
miusves gverdiT. da TavianTi 4-
aTastiraJiani kandidati rom
aRar eyoT, mere Cemi plakatebis
Camoxeva daiwyes.
ver dameweviT, ramdenic unda
xioT! arc tiraJi geyofaT, arc
_ novacia, arc _ energia da arc
_ Wkua!
„ocneba” ubedurad agebs am
arCevnebs! ubedurad!” _ dawera
ramdenime dRis winaT socialur
qselSi xaSuris, qarelisa da
goris soflebis „Zala erToba-
Sias” maJoritarobis kandidatma,
„moZraoba xalxisTvis” poli-
tikurma liderma nato CxeiZem.
ise, zogs gaukvirda, am
arCevnebze nato CxeiZe xuTianis,
ase vTqvaT, qveS rom gamodis.
ratom miiRo es gadawyvetileba
politikosma qalbatonma? _ am
da sxva Temebis Sesaxeb „qroni-
ka+~ nato CxeiZes esaubra:
_ qalbatono nato, arCevani
„Zala erTobaSiaze” ratom SeaC-
ereT?
_ is partia, anu „moZraoba saxelmwifo
xalxisTvis”, romlis
politikuri lideric wels gavxdi,
„Zala erTobaSias” damfuZnebelia.
sxvaTa Soris, am blokma
saprezidento arCevnebze amomrCevlebis
sakmaoze meti mxardaWera
moipova. mokled, Tu viTarebas
realurad SevxedavT, aSkaraa,
rom „nacionaluri moZraoba” da,
saerTod, „Zala erTobaSia”, Zlieri
opoziciuri gaerTianebaa. saqarTveloSi
dRes arsebuli oligarqiuli
reJimi yvela patiosani
adamianisTvis miuRebelia da
misi damarcxeba mxolod Zlier
opozicias SeuZlia. sxvaTa Soris,
opoziciurad ganwyobili amomrCeveli
bevri imitomaa, rom
ivaniSvilis reJimma saqarTvelo-
Si yovlad gausaZlisi pirobebi
Seqmna...
_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-
gram xuTianis, ase vTqvaT, qveS
Tqvens gamoCenas garkveuli
kiTxvis niSnebi moyva. hoda, yve-
laferi es Tavidan rom agecilebinaT,
ar SegeZloT, arCevneb-
Si damoukideblad an romelime
sxva opoziciuri frTis saxeliT
migeRoT monawileoba? ise, op-
ozicia proporciul arCevnebs
iTxovda. hoda, ra aucileblo-
bas warmoadgenda, rom saarCevno
kampaniaSi maJoritarobis kandi-
datis statusiT CarTuliyaviT?
_ opozicia, romlis gaerTianebuli
gadawyvetilebebis miRebaSi
mec vmonawileobdi, diax,
proporciul arCevnebs iTxovda
da Zalian didi Zalisxmeva das-
Wirda, rom proporciulTan axlos
myofi saarCevno sistemisTvis
mieRwia. proporciul sistemasTan
SedarebiT axlos myofi ki
120.30-ze sistemaa.
_ diax, vici, magram sxva ram
gkiTxeT, anu ratom miiReT gada-
wyvetileba, rom maJoritarad
geyaraT kenWi?
_ axla mTavaria, rom ivaniSvilma
parlamentSi rac SeiZleba,
naklebi mandati miiRos.
_ amis miRweva proporciuli
sistemiTac SeiZleba...
_ gasagebia, magram „ocnebis”
wevrebi sakuTar Tavs amxneveben,
didi procentebi gvaqvso, magram
ase namdvilad ar aris da
rogorc aqamde, am xelisuflebasac
maJoritarebis imedi aqvs,
anu unda, rom ocdaaTive maJoritaruli
mandati misi iyos. amitom
opoziciam gadawyvita, maJoritarobis
kandidatebad is adamianebi
daesaxelebina, romlebic
yvelaze konkurentunarianebi
arian. aseT Sansze ki, cxadia, uars
ar da ver vityodi.
_ e. i., fiqrobT, me-16
saarCevno olqSi konkuren-
tunariani xarT?
_ konkurentunariani ki ara,
Zalian unariani kandidati var da
am olqSi Zalian bevri mxardam-
Weric myavs!
_ SeiZleba, magram is usiam-
ovneba, romelic, Tavis droze,
„nacionalebTan” gqondaT, daivi-
wyeT?
_ saerTod, adamianebi arafers
iviwyeben, magram maxsovroba araswori
gziT ar unda mimarTo.
_ anu?
_ aqamdec miTqvams da axlac
gavime-reb: roca politikaSi xar,
Seni azri da fiqri mxolod da
mxolod saxelmwifoebrivi, anu
sazogadoebrivi interesebisken
unda iyos mimarTuli. Sesabamisad,
yvelaferi, maT Soris, piradi
ganwyobebic unda gadado da imis
mixedviT unda imoqmedo, rac
qveynisa da mamulisTvis ukeTes
gzad migaCnia!
_ pasuxi misaRebia, magram,
ratomRac, mgonia, rom „qocebi”
ar mogasveneben. provokaciebs
elodebiT?
_ provokaciebi yovelTvis
xdeba da, miT umetes, maSin, roca
maJoritarobis kandidati xar da
ambob, arCevnebs movigebo. aseT
dros mxolod provokaciebi ki ar
iqneba, aramed, „botebi” da
„trolebic” gaaqtiurdebian.
_ mokled, dasaSvebia, rom
„ocnebam” „iberiis” 2004 wlis
saqmeze sasamarTlo procesebi
nato CxeiZe:
`soflebSi xalxs
daxmarebas
dahpirdnen da
zeTisa da brinjis
nacvlad ori cali
pirbade misces!!~
ganaaxlos da maSindeli xelisu-
flebis warmomadgenlebs, anu
Tqvens dRevandel politikur
partniorebs, ganaCeni gamoutanos.
amis gamo garkveul ux-
erxulobas ar igrZnobT?
_ jer erTi, „iberiis” saqmeze
pirveli procesi ukve damTavrda.
meorec, me uxerxuloba ratom
unda Semeqmnas?
_ imitom, rom isini, romlebic
maSin „iberiis” daxurvaSi figurirebdnen,
axla Tqveni poli-
tikuri Tanamoazreebi arian.
_ saerTod, nebismier partia-
Si uamravi adamiania. aqedan zogierTs
gadacdoma mosdis, zogierTi
danaSauls sCadis, zogier-
Ti ki arafers aSavebs. es politikuri
cxovrebaa. im pirovnebebs,
piradi Tu sxva interesis gamo,
Tanamdebobrivi gadacdoma mouvidaT,
razedac pasuxi sasamarTloTi
unda moekiTxoT! sxvaTa
Soris, roca „iberiis” saqmeze
pirveli instanciis sasamarTlom
gadawyvetileba gamoitana, maSinve
vTqvi, es politikuri gadawyvetilebaa-meTqi.
_ ase ratom ifiqreT?
_ 2018 wlis movlenebi rom ar
yofiliyo, sasamarTlo araTu ganaCens
gamoitanda, aramed arc
CainiSneboda.
_ anu 2018-Si am kuTxiT sasa-
marTlo cnobili „oTxi TiTis”
epizodis gamo gaaqtiurda?
_ diax, xelisuflebas imis
Cveneba undoda, rom mediis mimarT
TiTqos obieqturia. arada,
„omegas” Zveli saqme sasamarTlosTvis
arc gadauciaT.
`omega~, anu zaza oquaSvili, ivaniSvilTan
korufciaSi ar Sevida da `ocnebis~
saqmianoba, romelic sazogadoebas, ratomRac,
uniaTod miaCnda, amxila. sinamdvileSi ki es
mTavroba uniaTo ki ara, gamomZalveli da
reketioria, romelic mxolod
momxveWelobiTaa dainteresebuli da adamiani,
romelsac miliarderi hqvia, sigaretis TiTo
yuTidan or-naxevar TeTrs dasdevs! ai, amis
mxileba da warmoCena `ocnebisTvis~ cecxlis
danTebis tolfasi iyo!~
sarTod, sasamarTlos nebismieri
gadawyvetileba ivaniSvilis
survilebzea damokidebuli. mas
ki sworad ar miaCnia, rom „omega”
rameSi marTali gamodges. mokled,
igive „iberiis” saqmeze meore
instanciis sasamarTlom
rogori gadawyvetilebac unda
gamoitanos, es samarTlebrivi ki
ara, politikuri gadawyvetileba
iqneba. amitom, CemTvis sul erTia,
Cvensa Tu sxvis saqmeze sasamarTlo
ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs.
am gadawyvetilebebs ivaniSvilis
mTavrobis garda, aravin aRiarebs
_ Cvens evropel da amerikel partniorebs
miaCniaT, rom saqarTveloSi
sasamarTloc politizebulia
da _ prokuraturac.
_ ise, sityvam moitana da
ivaniSvilma Tvali ratom daad-
ga da misTvis „omega” miuRebeli
ratom gaxda?
_ „omega”, anu zaza oquaSvili,
ivaniSvilTan korufciaSi ar Sevida
da „ocnebis” saqmianoba,
romelic sazogadoebas, ratom-
Rac, uniaTod miaCnda, amxila. sinamdvileSi
ki es mTavroba unia-
To ki ara, gamomZalveli da reketioria,
romelic mxolod momxveWelobiTaa
dainteresebuli
da adamiani, romelsac miliarderi
hqvia, sigaretis TiTo yuTidan
or-naxevar TeTrs dasdevs!
ai, amis mxileba da warmoCena „ocnebisTvis”
cecxlis danTebis
tolfasi iyo!
_ Tqveni azriT, „ocneba” am
mxilebas ar eloda?
_ albaT, ar eloda, radgan
fiqrobda, rom biznesi misi mor-
Cili iseve unda yofiliyo, rogorc
sxva yvelaferi daimorCila an
damorCilebis survili hqonda.
_ qalbatono nato, ra amis
pasuxia da, gulaxdilad miTx-
ariT _ „patriotTa aliansSi”
ufro komfortulad grZnobdiT
Tavs Tu „Zala erTobaSias” gaer-
TianebaSi ufro komfortulad
xarT?
_ partiaSi yofna da, saerTod,
aranairi saqmianoba komforts ar
ukavSirdeba. komfortulad Sei-
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