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ise, mxolod qalbatoni lelaki ara, mTeli saqarTvelonaTlad xedavs, rom am qveyanas,rogorc ityvian, deda aRarhyavs, Tumca amis miuxedavad,„ocneba” siraqlemis poziciasirCevs, e. i., TvalSi nacars mxolodCven ki ara, Tavadac iyrisda amtkicebs, rom yvelaferikargadaa, anu arc lari gaufasurebulada epidviTarebackontrols eqvemdebareba. kargi,davuSvaT, rom epidemia mar-Tlac kontrols eqvemdebareba,magram lars ra movuxerxoT? _Tu am kiTxvas romelime „qocs”dausvamT, igi ar daibneva dairakli kobaxiZis frTian frazasmogaxliT, _ lars TanadgomasWirdeba da mere lari ekonomikasiqiT daexmarebao.mokled, kobaxiZe ocnebobs,lela jejelava ki qveyanaSiarsebul realobas ase asaxavs:„mSieri monebi aSenebdnen piramidebso,wers qarTveli mwerali.bavSvobidan gamudmebiTvukirkitebdi am azrs, naxevarisaukunis Semdeg zustad vici,rom yvelaze saxifaTo maZRarimonaa. msoflios istorias qmnidnenidealistebi, mSieri monebimaT ideebs axorcielebdnen,maZRar monebs ki sZuldaT erTnicda meorenic...giliotinebisa da eSafotebisgziT iara evropulmademokratiam, rom maZRari monisfenomeni daeZlia. maZRari monebismxardaWeraze dgas ivaniSvilisxelisuflebac. arsad,arc erT droSi, arc erTi xelisuflebisTvismaT zianisgarda araferi moutaniaT! ase-Tia istoriuli kanonzomiereba,romelic, yvelafris miuxedavad,ucvlelia!”mokled, vin arian maZRarimonebi? ratom ar unda daamyarosimedi „ocnebam” eklesiisadministraciis gadawyvetilebebze?ratom aris xelisuflebiscvlileba gardauva-li? _ am da bevr sxva kiTxvazepasuxs lela jejelavas winam-debare interviudan miiRebT!_ qalbatono lela, rogorbrZandebiT, arCevnebamde erTiTviT adre rogori ganwyobagaqvT? sxvaTa Soris, vidre interviusdaviwyebdiT, „rusTavi2-ma” axali kvleva gamoaqve-yna, romlis mixedviTac, yvelamaJoritarul olqSi „ocnebis”kandidati upirobod lider-obs..._ aba, sxva ra molodini gqondaT?_ „rusTavi 2" Tu „imedi”sxvanair kvlevas gamoaqveynebs?Cemi azriT, am kvlevebs arsebi-Ti mniSvneloba arc aqvs._ SeiZleba, magram vaRiaroT,rom opoziciis mier Cata-rebuli kvlevebiTac „ocneba”28294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`ivaniSvilis xelisufleba„epidemia mainc gaiqca, ekonomi-giorgi abaSiZeka daiqca, krizismenejmenti waiq-ca. rogorc amboben, imedi kvdebabolos Tu ocneba?” _ es ritorikuli kiTxva ramdenime dRiswinaT socialur qselSi „eTnikur da konfesiur urTierTo-baTa centris” xelmZRvanelma, lela jejelavam dasva.liderobs._ diax, magram, jamurad,opozicias xmebis mainc metiraodenoba aqvs._ e. i., darwmunebuli xarT,rom am arCevnebs „ocneba” waag-ebs da xelisuflebaSi mesamevadiT veRar darCeba?_ me erT rameSi var darwmunebuli._ raSi?_ demokratiul qveynebSimmarTvelobis, maqsimum, rvawlianicikli tyuilad araa Semo-Rebuli. sxvaTa Soris, es mxolodpolitikuri axireba araa daZalian bevri aqtoriT aris ga-Tvaliswinebuli, anu rva weliis maqsimumia, roca xelisuflebisresursi iwureba. aqve, imasacgetyviT, rom resursSimxolod xalxis mxardaWeras kiara, politikur SesaZleblobebsacvgulisxmob. amasTan,arc is unda dagvaviwydes, rom8 weli is periodia, roca eleqtoratisruliad icvleba dagadaxalisdeba._ anu?_ arCevnebSi monawileobassruliad sxva Taoba iRebs _wels 2000-ian wlebSi dabadebulebmacunda miscen xma. esTaoba ki situacias absoluturadsxva parametrebiT, ganwyobiTada, rogorc ityvian, markerebiTafasebs. mokled, politikisTvis8-wliani ciklis Semdegxelisuflebis Secvla gardauvalikanonzomierebaa. iciT,es rogoraa? _ zog mcenaresyvavilobis vada erTi weli aqvs,zogs _ meti, anu politikaSicyvelaferi bunebriv potencialzeadamokidebuli da araimaze _ vinme mogvwons Tu ara.erTi sityviT, diax, darwmunebulivar, rom „ocnebis” xelisuflebaSeicvleba! yovelSemTxvevaSi, rvawliani ciklisSemdeg politikuri cvlilebebisTvisyvela pirobaa momwifebuli.am politikuri cvlilebebisgansaxorcieleblad eleqtoraticmzadaa da, Sesabamisad,arCevnebis beds ukve sxvamaxasiaTeblebi ganapirobebs._ qalbatono lela, es politikurialgoriTmi gasagebia,magram arsebobs erTi „ma-gram”, anu opozicia, rbiladrom vTqvaT, sustia. yovel Se-mTxvevaSi, „antiocnebelebi”erTmaneTs ki ar kortnian, ara-med, Wamen da TiTqmis yvelaliders premierobis ambiciaaqvs. yvelaferi es, dameTanxmeT,eleqtoratze cudad mo-qmedebs da adamianebi ambobenkidec, amaT koaliciuri mTav-roba rom Seqmnan, erTmaneTisWamas gadahyvebian da qveyanasmainc araferi eSvelebao..._ amixseniT, arCevnebis bediiman ratom unda ganapirobos,magaliTad, saakaSvilsa da bokeriaserTmaneTi moswonT Tuara? marTla ggoniaT, rom xalxisTvissaakaSvil-bokerias annebismieri sxva politikosebisurTierTdamokidebuleba ufromniSvnelovania, vidre _ gaufasurebulilari, xelidangaqceuli epidemia, Camoqceuliekonomika da waqceuli krizismenejmenti?_ cxadia, ar mgonia, romxalxs gaufasurebul larzemetad saakaSvil-bokerias kinklaobaufro ainteresebs, ma-gram bolo dros ramdenimeregionSi viyavi da mosaxleobayvelgan erTsa da imaves am-bobs _ politikosebis aRargvjera da aRarc magaTi da-pirebebis mosmena gvindao, anu,qalbatono lela, gamoricx-avT, rom 31 oqtombers xalxmaarCevani e. w. SeCveuli WirisprincipiT gaakeTos?_ xalxis ganwyobas, rasakvirvelia,mec vecnobi da vici,rom adamianebi Zalian cud mdgomareobaSiarian, magram xalx-lela jejelava:`koronasadamianebissikvdili arunda, koronaelitebs erCis!~ma isic icis, rom am mdgomareobamdeswored „ocnebis” xelisuflebammiiyvana. es faqtia,romelic gadaxedvas ar eqvemdebareba!diax, xelisuflebasukve aRar Seswevs unari, romproblemebs gaumklavdes! gasagebia,rom adamianebs imedi aRaraqvT, magram ratom ggoniaT,rom amis gamo gulze xels daikrefenda cvlilebebs ar moindomeben?_ SeiZleba, gulze xeli ardaikrifon, magram arCevnebsboikoti gamoucxadon. es ki,bunebrivia, „ocnebis” wisqvil-ze daasxams wyals. vcdebi?_ diax._ ratom?_ axalgazrdebi arCevnebzeaucileblad mivlen. es amomrCevlispatara raodenoba araada 31 oqtombers arCevnebisbeds swored axalgazrdebi gadawyveten!_ keTili, magram Tuki isemoxda, rom raRac maqinaciebiT„ocneba” xelisuflebaSi mesamevadiTac darCa, Tqveni azr-`arCevnebSi monawileobas sruliad sxva TaobaiRebs - wels 2000-ian wlebSi dabadebulebmacunda miscen xma. es Taoba ki situaciasabsoluturad sxva parametrebiT, ganwyobiTada, rogorc ityvian, markerebiT afasebs.mokled, politikisTvis 8-wliani ciklis Semdegxelisuflebis Secvla gardauvalikanonzomierebaa~iT, ra moxdeba?_ aseTi SemTxvevaSi is moxdeba,rac „ocnebisTvis” imazeuaresi iqneba, vidre xelisuflebisarCevnebiT daTmobaa!_ revolucias prognozi-rebT?_ ar vici, amas revoluciadaerqmeva, ajanyeba Tu xalxisTviTgadarCenis instinqti, magramxelisufleba mSieri xalxispirispir aRmoCdeba! mSierixalxis pirispir aRmoCenas kiiseTi xelisuflebisTvisac vervisurveb, rogoric „qarTuliocnebaa”._ zogierTi miiCnevs, rom„ocnebas” koronis imedi aqvs _xalxs, pandemiis sababiT, fulsurigebs, amasTan, lokalurlokdaunebsac iyenebs. ai, ma-galiTad, baTumi Caiketa, anuyvelaferi es xelisuflebiswisqvilze ar daasxams wyals?_ Tu ar meSleba, gia xuxaSvilmaTqva, xelisufleba qevyanassikvdilisa da SimSilis Si-SiT marTavso, magram ase didxansaravis umarTavs, anu rocaSeni saukeTeso mokavSire SimSilida sikvdilia, yvelaze didisafrTxis qveS Tavad dgaxar!_ ratom?_ pasuxi martivia: adamianebsarc SimSili uyvarT da arc _sikvdili! Sesabamisad, „ocnebisTvis”cudi arCevani iqneba,Tu gadawyvets, rom mokavSiredsikvdilisa da SimSilis SiSigaixados!_ e. i., „ocneba” fons verc200 Tu 300-lariani koronadax-marebiT gava?_ fasebi yovelwuTieradizrdeba da am viTarebaSi Tundac300-lariani daxmarebaojaxs ramden xans eyofa?_ e. i., gazafxulisgan gansxvavebiT,dRes korona „oc-nebis” mTavari mokavSireaRaraa?_ diax, aRaraa! „ocnebaze”uari koronamac Tqva! xelisuflebaski gansakuTrebiT lari_ qarTuli erovnuli valutaerCis!28 N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.commaZRari monebis mxardaWeraze dgas!~_ me rom „qoci” viyo, auci-leblad SegekamaTebodiT dagetyodiT, rom lari „ocnebas”ar erCis. yovel SemTxvevaSi,ekonomikis ministr, qalbatonTurnavas rwmeniT, erovnulivaluta iseTi myari, rogoricaxlaa, arasodes yofila._ simarTle giTxraT, qalbatonTurnavas fiqrebze komentarisgakeTeba Zalian Znelia._ ratom?_ 2012 wels, roca „nacionalurimoZraobis” Semwirveliiyo, qalbatoni Turnava, albaT,fiqrobda, rom „nacionalurimoZraoba” gaimarjvebda. amitommis fiqrebze komentari Cemgancota uxerxulia. saerTod, masSeuZlia, bevri ram ifiqros,magram realuri suraTi aseTia_ ekonomika, praqtikulad,Camoqceulia. adamianebi SimSiliszRvarze arian da Tularis vardna ase gagrZelda, eszRvari, rasakvirvelia, gadailaxeba.amasTan, kidev Zalian bevrisaSinao Tu sagareo garemoebamniSvnelovan rols iTamaSebs,rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSiveRar darCes da eskanonzomieri iqneba!_ ra amis pasuxia da, amdReebSi, sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblisgendireqtorad bord-ma „ocnebis” favoriti airCia.xaTuna lagaziZe, romelic gendireqtorobiserT-erTi kan-didati iyo, am arCevnebs 31oqtombris repeticiad miiC-nevs. qalbatono lela, am azrsTqvenc iziarebT?_ iluzia ar mqonia, rom sazogadoebrivimauwyeblis direqtorisarCevnebi gansxvavebuliiqneboda, anu xelisufleba,winamorbedebis msgavsad, amSesaZleblobas ar gauSvebda.sxvaTa Soris, zviad gamsaxurdiasxelisuflebis rRveva sworediqidan daiwyes, roca televiziasTanamSromlebisTvisarasasurveli direqtori dauniSnes.mokled, yvela xelisuflebacdilobs, rom sazogadoebrivimauwyebeli, ase vTqvaT,Tavis ubeSi hyavdes, magram rocadasasruli modis, es televiziaromelime xelisuflebasadgeba?_ geTanxmebiT, rom ar adge-ba, magram sxva ram gkiTxeT,anu sazmaus gendireqtorisarCevis scenars „ocneba” 31oqtombersac xom ar gamoiy-enebs?_ „ocnebis” gayalbebul daZaladobriv arCevnebs legitimuradaravin cnobs! sxvaTaSoris, amaze „ocnebam” evropasaTu aSS-sgan uamravi gafrTxilebamiiRo._ ise, amerikeli kongresme-nebi bolos dros maincdamaincaRar aqtiuroben..._ maT Zalian mniSvnelovanigancxadeba gaakeTes._ kerZod?_ qalbaton degnans yuradRebiTmousmineTo. saerTod, aSSssaqarTveloSi Zalian Zlieridiplomati hyavs, romelic aq`xelisuflebas iseTi masStaburi testireba, rogorsac axla atarebs, Tavisdroze rom Caetarebina, maSinac sxva maCveneblebi gveqneboda, magram, pirveletapze, xelisuflebam masobriv testirebaze uari imitom Tqva, rom imijiSeeqmna, TiTqos pandemias Tavi kargad gaarTva. albaT, gaxsovs, qveynisSigniTa Tu gareT rogori Sefasebebi keTdeboda, ai, batoni gaxariawarmatebuli menejeri aRmoCndao~mimdinare politikur procesebzezust informacias araCveulebrivadflobs. elCis gancxadebebiimis srul safuZvelsmaZlevs, vifiqro, rom Cveni partniori,anu aSS, Zaladobrivda gayalbebul arCevnebs araRiarebs. sxvaTa Soris, inauguraciakonspiraciulad lukaSenkomacCaatara, magram es imasar niSnavs, rom xelisuflebaSididi dRe aqvs, anu roca mmarTveliinauguracias konspiraciuladatarebs, es imas niSnavs,rom is dasrulebulia!_ principSi, asea... qalbatonolela, weRan korona axsen-eT, Tqveni azriT, „ocnebis”sanaqebo krizismenejmenti sadgaqra da ratom CamoiSala, anupandemiis marTvis sadaveebiratom gaeqca?_ xelisuflebas iseTi mas-N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.Staburi testireba, rogorsacaxla atarebs, Tavis droze romCaetarebina, maSinac sxva maCveneblebigveqneboda, magram, pirveletapze, xelisuflebam masobrivtestirebaze uari imitomTqva, rom imiji Seeqmna,TiTqos pandemias Tavi kargadgaarTva. albaT, gaxsovs, qveynisSigniTa Tu gareT rogori SefasebebikeTdeboda, ai, batonigaxaria warmatebuli menejeriaRmoCndao. magram sayovelTaoTermoskriningze, anu sicxis masobrivgazomvaze axlac meRimeba._ ratom?_ TiTqos xalxs imis Sesa-Zlebloba ar hqonda, rom sicxesaxlSi gaezoma. erTi sityviT,Tavidanve realur Sedegs masobrivitestireba aCvenebda, magram,albaT, gaxsovT, opozici-`2012 wels, roca `nacionaluri moZraobis~Semwirveli iyo, qalbatoni Turnava, albaT,fiqrobda, rom `nacionaluri moZraoba~gaimarjvebda. amitom mis fiqrebze komentariCemgan cota uxerxulia. saerTod, masSeuZlia, bevri ram ifiqros, magram realurisuraTi aseTia - ekonomika, praqtikulad,Camoqceulia. adamianebi SimSilis zRvarzearian da Tu laris vardna ase gagrZelda, eszRvari, rasakvirvelia, gadailaxeba~is gancxadebas, sakmarisi testebiar ariso, ra Sefasebac mohva_ am gancxadebis gamo opozicialamis jvars acves, magramrogorc ki masobrivi testirebadaiwyo, inficirebulTaraodenobamac geometriuliprogresiiT daiwyo zrda._ sxvaTa Soris, masobrivitestireba, mgoni, aRar tarde-ba._ diax da, rogor fiqrobT,es swori menejmentia?_ albaT, ara... erTi sityviT,koronis SiSiT „ocneba” mosax-leobaze zegavlenas veRarmoaxdens, ara?_ rasakvirvelia, veRarmoaxdens... rogorc Cans, am virussadamianebi, xSir SemTxvevaSi,albaT, ufro msubuqadgadaitanen, magram jandacvissistemam amden SemTxvevas Tavirom ver gaarTvas, es ukve kolafsiiqneba! testireba sworedamitom Sewyvites da iciT, esra aris? _ mxolod mosaxleobaski ara, sakuTar Tavsacatyueben, magram mosaxleoba artyuvdeba!_ qalbatono lela, ra amispasuxia da, rogor fiqrobT,„ocnebis” sasargeblod sapa-triarqoc xom ar CaerTvebawinasaarCevno kampaniaSi? sxva-Ta Soris, ramdenime dRis winmmarTveli gundis partiulRonisZiebas, romelic imereT-Si gaimarTa, sasuliero pire-bi daeswrnen..._ CemTvis sruliad cxadia,rom orive institucias _ xelisuflebasada eklesiismmarTvel struqturasac _ seriozuliproblemebi aqvs. amitomisini erTmaneTTan TviTgadarCenisinstinqtma miiyvana,Tumca piradad me, xelisuflebisadgilas rom viyo, eklesiisgadawyvetilebebTan dakavSirebiTimedianad ar viqnebodi!_ erTsac gkiTxavT, qalbatonolela: lari ufasurdeba,produqti Zvirdeba, krimi-nali imatebs, anu yvelaferi esimas niSnavs, rom warsulSi, e.i., 90-ianebisken vbrundebiT?_ situaciis ase daxasiaTeb-is winaaRmdegi var!_ es xom realobaa dawinaaRmdegi ratom xarT?_ warsulSi veravin dabrundeba!marTalia, yvelas saxlSisaaTi erTsa da imave drosaCvenebs, TiToeuli Cvengani,ufro sworad, Cven da xelisufleba,mainc sxvadasxva droSivcxovrobT._ anu?_ mokled, 90-ian wlebSi verdavbrundebiT! 2020 weli mosaxleobisTvis,bevri mizezis gamo,arcTu sasiamovnod mosagonariiqneba, magram, Cemi varaudiT,es weli imiT dasruldeba,rom epidemia msofliosTvis aseTisaSiSi aRar iqneba da amas-Tan, bevr qveyanaSi mmarTvelielita Seicvleba! erTxel vTqvida axlac gavimeoreb: koronasadamianebis sikvdili ar unda,korona elitebs erCis!_ es rogor?_ imis Tqma minda, rom elitaTacvlilebebi namdviladmoxdeba da 2020 welic istoriaSiswored amiT darCeba!_ qalbatono lela, opti-mizmi kargia, magram simarTlegiTxraT, ver vxvdebi, Tqvenioptimizmi ras efuZneba?_ jer erTi, safuZveli armaqvs, pesimisturad viyo ganwyobili.meorec, Cven warsulSiki ara, axla vcxovrobT. is vi-Tareba, romelic axlaa, armogvwons, magram dRevandelidRe xval ukve warsuli iqneba._ ki batono, magram sanamdRevandeli dRe warsuligaxdeba, ra vqnaT, anu realo-ba rogor SevcvaloT?_ imisTvis, rom dRevandelidRe, romelic ar mogvwons dagvinda, rom xval aRar iyos daSevcvaloT, ukeTesi molodiniunda gvqondes! yovel dRes aqda axla vqmniT. amitom dResCveni gakeTebuli arCevani Cvensavexvalindel dRes ganapirobebs!_ geTanxmebiT, magram mSierxalxs yvelafer amis gasagebadnervebi aRar hyofnis, qalba-tono lela..._ zedmeti filosofia mSierixalxisTvis ki ara, saerTod aravisTvisaraa saWiro! adamianebigadawyvetilebas imis mixedviT kiar iReben, ra ician, aramed imismixedviT, rasac dRes grZnoben!imaze, rasac dRes xalxi grZnobs,warmodgena gvaqvs. amitomac 31oqtombris Semdeg cvlilebebiaucilebad iqneba!_ vnaxoT... cvlilebebis saw-inaaRmdego,bunebrivia,araferi maqvs._ erT rameSi dameTanxmeT._ raSi?_ cvlileba yvelas unda, magramambobs, is da es ar momwonso.amis miuxedavad, faqtia:raki yvelani vTanxmdebiT, romcvlileba aucilebelia, es cvlilebanamdvilad moxdeba!_ politikurma RmerTebmainebon, rom cvlilebebi mar-Tlac moxdes! warmatebas gi-survebT, qalbatono lela!29
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