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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`saakaSvils, rac bolo Sexvedrisasgiorgi abaSiZexangrZlivi pauzis Semdeg po-litikaSi brundeba _ marinamolodini „patriotTa aliansis”proporciuli siis oceulSia. saerTod, vinc qarTul politikaskargad icnobs, moexseneba, rom am qalbatons didi poli-tikuri begraundi aqvs da mis kuluarebSic kargad erkveva.is ki arada, qalbatoni marina im ramdenime adamianTagan erT-erTia, romelmac aw gansvenebul premiers ar uRalata dadRemde zurab Jvanias megobrad miiCnevs Tavs.ratom gadawyvita aqtiurpolitikaSi dabruneba? ratomSeaCera arCevani maincdamainc„patriotTa aliansze”? moi-wonebda Tu ara zurab Jvaniamis nabijs? _ am Temebis Sesaxebmarina molodinma eqsklu-ziuri interviu „qronika+~-smisca da isic agvixsna, Tu ra-tom ar iyris kenWs maJoritarkandidatad:_ marina, 12-wliani pauzisSemdeg politikaSi brundebiT_ „patriotTa aliansis” pro-porciuli siis oceulSi, Tuar vcdebi, meTormete xarT.politikaSi dabrunebis gadaw-yvetileba ratom miiReT?_ 12 wlis winaT, roca parlamentidanwamovedi, TiTqmisdavifice, rom politikaSi aRardavbrundebodi, miT umetes,rom zurab Jvania cocxali aRariyo, magram politikaSi dabrunebisgadawyvetileba im gundmamimaRebina, romelTan erTadacaxla var._ anu „patriotebs” gulisx-mobT?_ diax, ufro konkretulad,daviT Tarxan-mouravsa da irmainaSvils. sxvaTa Soris, oTxiwlis win, roca irma sagarejosmaJoritarad iyrida kenWs, seriozuladarc mifiqria, rompartiuli muSaoba gamegrZelebina.ubralod, irmas ojaxiCemi Zalian axlobelia da vexmarebodi,magram es adamianebida maTi programa axlos gavicanida gadawyvetileba miviRe,rom qveyanaSi gamefebuli usamarTlobisada sibinZureebiswinaaRmdeg maTTan erTad mebr-Zola! dRes ase vfiqrob da mimaCnia,rom Cemi gadawyvetilebasworia! metic: sanam iseTisaqarTvelo ar aSendeba, rogorzedacqarTveli eri ocnebobs,am adamianebis gverdiT viqnebi!_ miTxariT, 2016-Si imazemeti sibinZure da usamarTlo-ba naxeT, rac, magaliTad, winaxelisuflebis dros xdeboda?_ maSindeli sibinZureebi dausamarTloba ar damTavrda dadResac grZeldeba. iciT, kohabitaciara iyo?_ ra?_ „nacionaluri moZraobis”gacocxleba da misi politika-Si dabruneba, Sesabamisad, es partiadanawevrda da dRes sxvadasxvafrontidan imisTvis ibrZvis,rom xelisuflebis saTaveSimobrundes da isev is ubedurebadaatrialos, rasac 9weli atrialebda!_ „nacionalebis” 9-wlianmmarTvelobaze bevri Tqmulada dawerila, Tan imaTi 9 weliamaTma, e. i., „ocnebis” 8 welma„gadawona”. amitomac kiTxvassxvanairad dagisvamT: mgoni,aravin kamaTobs, rom 2012-SiivaniSvilis gundi xelisuflebaSiswored „patriotebis” li-derTa damsaxurebiT movida,Tumca dRes Tarxan-mourav-inaSvilistandemi „ocnebisTvisac”iseve miuRebelia, rogorc,vTqvaT, „nacionalebi-sTvis”. marina, amas riT xsniT?_ „patriotTa aliansi” „ocnebisTvis”miuRebeli imitomaa,rom „ocnebaSi” misi namdvilimomxreebi da is adamianebi, romlebic9-wliani reJimisa da ma-Sindeli usamarTlobis winaa-Rmdeg ibrZodnen, TiTqmis aRararian, anu kohabitacia moxda.gadavxedoT._ ras gadavxedoT?_ Tanamdebobebze isev „nacionalebi”arian, anu „ocnebam”yofili „nacionalebi” Seisisxlxorcada maTTan mdinaraZeebiTu kobaxiZeebi mSvenivradTanamSromloben! „patriotTaaliansi” ki im ideebisTvis ibrZvis,romlis realizebac mxolodCemi ki ara, mTeli qarTvelixalxis ocnebaa!_ ise, marina, ramdenime wliswinaT „ocnebas” rom SemoeTavazebina,mis partiul saqmianobaSiCarTuliyaviT, dasTan-xmdebodiT?_ ara!_ ratom?_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,zurab Jvanias gardacvalebis,ufro sworad, mkvlelobisa daaseve sxva Cemi megobrebis _batoni guram SaraZisa da quCa-Si daxocili axalgazrdebisSemdeg, gadawyvetileba miviRe,politikidan wamovsuliyavi.saerTod, maSin Zalian bevriubedureba trialebda _ adamianebsqonebebs arTmevdnen.yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,marto sulxan molaSviliswameba rad Rirs. mokled,roca amas vuyurebdi, rogorSemeZlo, rom politikaSi davr-Ceniliyavi?ise, 2010 wels „nacionalebis”winaaRmdeg brZola vcade _noRaidelis partiaSi viyavi darac SemeZlo, gavakeTe, magramam Zalis damarcxeba maSinaravis warmoedgina._ es gavige, magram sxva ramgkiTxeT, anu „ocnebas” misgverdiT dadgoma rom SemoeT-avazebina, dasTanxmdebodiT?_ ara!_ damisabuTeT, ratom?marina molodini:`Jvanias saqmerom gaixsnas,opoziciis bevrilideridamnaSavis skamzeaRmoCndeba!~`zurab Jvanias gardacvalebis, ufro sworad,mkvlelobisa da aseve sxva Cemi megobrebis -batoni guram SaraZisa da quCaSi daxociliaxalgazrdebis Semdeg, gadawyvetileba miviRe,politikidan wamovsuliyavi. saerTod, maSinZalian bevri ubedureba trialebda - adamianebsqonebebs arTmevdnen. yvelafers Tavi romdavaneboT, marto sulxan molaSvilis wameba radRirs. mokled, roca amas vuyurebdi, rogorSemeZlo, rom politikaSi davrCeniliyavi?~_ Zalian maleve, rogorc kixelisuflebaSi movida, yvelamdavinaxeT, rom „ocnebam” Tama-Si daiwyo._ „TamaSSi” ras gulisxmobT,marina?_ kohabitacias, rac CemTvismiuRebeli iyo. zustad vicodi,rom yvelaferi ase damTavrdebodada erTmaneTSi ise aiTqvifeboda,rogorc axla vxedavT!sxvisi ar vici, piradadme ki mimmaCnia, rom dRes „ocnebaSi”Zveli saxeebi aRar arian.mxolod mdinaraZes, kobaxiZesada maT erT muWa megobrebs,anu gacocxlebul „nacionalebs”vxedavT!_ marTalia, „ocnebis” faniarasodes vyofilvar, magramgeTanxmebiT _ ZirZveli ocnebelebiaRarsad Canan. ise, marina,politikaSi didi gamoc-dileba gaqvT da miTxariT,dRes sazogadoebaSi aris gan-wyoba, rom xelisuflebaaucileblad unda Seicvalos?_ diax, xalxSi es ganwyobaaris, magram muSaoba maincsaWiroa._ anu?_ „nacionaluri moZraobis”daSliT Seqmnili partiebi xelovnuriopoziciaa._ amas ratom ambobT?_ es partiebi imisTvis armuSaoben, rom xelisufleba Seicvalos!_ aba, risTvis muSaoben?_ erTaderTi, vinc dRes xelisuflebaSimosasvlelad ibrZvis,„patriotTa aliansia”.amitomac „patriotebis” winaaRmdegyvela partia gaerTianebuladibrZvis._ gasagebia, „ocnebisa” daigive „nacionaluri moZraobisTvis”Tqveni partia miuRebeliratomacaa, magram e. w. Sua-Sisturi partiebi, magaliTad,kaxa kukava an daviT WiWinaZe„patriotebis” gverdiT ratomar dganan?_ Cveulebrivi konkurenciamidis _ gaZlierebuli politikuriZala aravis unda. arada,naTelia, rom dRes saqar-TveloSi yvelaze Zlieri opoziciuripartia swored „patriotTaaliansia”._ marina, am partiis wevrixarT da cxadia, ase unda TqvaT,magram damisabuTeT, „pa-triotTa aliansi” yvelazeZlieri opoziciuri partiaratomaa?_ uamravi mxardamWeri gvyavs_ quCaSi aseulobiT adamianiaraerTxel gamoviyvaneT, racverc erTma sxva opoziciurmapartiam verasodes moaxerxa!opozicia imisTvis ki araamowodebuli, rom ideisTvis ibrZolosda es qveyana gaWirvebidanamoiyvanos, aramed „patriotTaaliansisTvis” CirqismocxebiTaa dakavebuli.sxvaTa Soris, 3 oqtombersTavisuflebis moedanze Zaliandid aqcias vawyobT. romelimeopoziciurma partiam gabedos1212 N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comvuTxari, yvelaferi ausrulda!~da imdeni xalxi gamoiyvanos,ramdensac Cven gamoviyvanT!mokled, yvelaferi es Suriada sanam saqarTveloSi Suri,boRma, RvarZli da erTmaneTislanZRva-gineba ar damTavrdebada sanam qarTveli xalxi ar mixvdeba,rom mTavaria ideisTvisbrZola, am qveyanas namdviladaraferi eSveleba! dRes medroveebiisev skamebisTvis ibrZvianda ara _ imisTvis, romqveyanas rame eSvelos! simar-Tle giTxraT, Zalian mikvirs,„ocnebis” Zveli saxeebi xmasratom ar iReben da imaze ratomar wuxan, rom maTi adgilebi„nacionaluri moZraobis”warmomadgenlebma daikaves?„ocnebis” Zveli saxeebi gasusulebida SeSinebulebi arian!_ marina, imasac mizanmima-rTul Sav piarad miiCnevT, romTqvens partias prorusuloba-Si sdeben brals Tu saamisod„patriotTa aliansi” garkveulsababs iZleva?_ diax, es mizanmimarTulikampaniaa! yvelam Zalian kargaddainaxa, rom qarTveli xalxi„patriotTa alianss” aRiarebs.Cveni gamokiTxvebiT, „patriot-Ta aliansi” „ocnebasac” uswrebsda Cven winaaRmdeg es kampaniacswored amitom daiwyo.gekiTxebiT, brali raSi undadagvdon? _ ver ityvian, korumpirebulebixarT da danaSauliCagideniaTo. amitom es TemagamoZebnes, magram es sacodavebiamasac ver axerxeben!Cveni partia gamokiTxvasatarebs da unda, rom saqarTvelosmiumxrobloba gamoacxados,rac imas niSnavs, rom CvensqveyanaSi aravis, maT Soris, arc_ ruseTis, arc _ aSS-is da arcTurqeTis jari ar unda idges.hoda, Tu ruseTis varT, am ideisTvisvibrZolebdiT?es Zlieri politikuri partiiswinaaRmdeg Cveulebriviantipiaria!_ sxvaTa Soris, jer kidev2012 wels „ocneba” pirobasdebda, rom yvela gaxmaurebulsaqmes, maT Soris, zurab Jvaniasgardacvalebasac, gamoZie-bda, magram am kuTxiT axaliaraferia. marina, Tqveni versiiT,„ocnebam” Jvanias saqme ra-`Tanamdebobebze isev `nacionalebi~ arian, anu`ocnebam~ yofili `nacionalebi~ Seisisxlxorca damaTTan mdinaraZeebi Tu kobaxiZeebi mSvenivradTanamSromloben! `patriotTa aliansi~ ki imideebisTvis ibrZvis, romlis realizebac mxolodCemi ki ara, mTeli qarTveli xalxis ocnebaa!~tom ar gamoiZia?_ ar unda, rom es saqme gaixsnas!_ ratom ar unda?_ es saqme rom gaixsnas, Zalianbevri, visac dRes opoziciuripartiis liderad moaqvsTavi, damnaSavis skamze undadasxdes! Jvanias saqme TarozeSegnebuladaa Semodebuli!_ hoda, Tuki Jvanias saqmiskvali dRevandeli opoziciisliderebamde midis, „ocneba”maT xels ratom afarebs?_ giTxariT da kidev geubnebiT:dRes „ocneba” „ocneba”aRar aris! es „nacionaluri ocnebaa!”_ CvenSi darCes da, amas bevriambobs... ise, marina, parla-mentSi ris gakeTebas apirebT,anu ra motivacia gqondaT,roca „patriotebs” proporciulsiaSi Caweraze dasTanxm-diT?_ parlamentidan ise wamovedi,rom is idea, romlisTvisacTavis droze iq Sevedi, bolom-`dRes `ocnebaSi~ Zveli saxeebi aRar arian.mxolod mdinaraZes, kobaxiZesa da maT erTmuWa megobrebs, anu gacocxlebul`nacionalebs~ vxedavT!~de ver miviyvane._ e. w. mTis kanons gulisx-mobT?_ diax. yvelaze kargad iciT,rom mTiani regionebis ga-ZlierebisTvis brZola ramdenimewlis winaT daviwye da 1999wels „mTis kanoni” swored CemiZalisxmeviT damuSavda, Tumca„nacionalebis” dros es kanoniSeCerda. „ocnebam” ki aamoqmeda,magram kanoni ise gaafuWa, rommTas didi SeRavaTebi mainc araqvs. amitomac pirveli, risTvisacparlamentSi brZolas daviwyeb,swored mTa iqneba, anuyvelafers gavakeTeb, rom mTaise ganviTardes, rogorc warmomidgenia.amas garda, TanagundelebTanerTad „patriotTa aliansis”programis realizebisTvis vibrZoleb.Zalian sainteresoprograma gvaqvs. sxvaTa Soris,Tavis droze, frankofonurisaparlamento asambleis delegaciisxelmZRvaneli viyavi dapolitikidan rom wamovedi, parlamentissxvadasxva fraqciasvTxove, muSaoba gaegrZelebinaT,raTa saqarTvelo am asambleiswevri gamxdariyo (Cemsdros damkvirveblis statusigvqonda), magram amis gakeTebadRemde ver moxerxda, arada, amasambleis wevroba saqarTvelosTviserT-erTi Zlieri tribunaiqneba, radgan evroparlamentarebisTiTqmis umravlesobaam asambleis wevria.erTi sityviT, Zalian bevrimizani maqvs, rom xalxi sidux-Wiridan rogorme amoviyvanoT.ise, igive 90-ian wlebSi gvegona,rom imaze uaresi, rac maSinxdeboda, aRaraferi iqneboda,magram dRes xalxs saWmlisfuli ar aqvs! adamianebSi saocarinihilizmia da saerTod,sakiTxavia, arCevnebze xalximova Tu ara!_ Tuki xalxi arCevnebze armiva, es „ocnebis” wisqvilzedaasxams wyals, ara?_ ra Tqma unda. amitomacxalxTan vmuSaobT da varwmunebT,rom arCevnebze aucilebladunda mivides.iciT, sazogadoebaSi rogoriganwyobaa?_ rogori?_ Zalian mcire nawili „ocnebasa”da sxva opoziciur partiebsuWers mxars, umetesobaki _ „patriotTa alianss”. mar-Talia, raRac sisuleleebs aqveyneben,magram realoba sxvanairia.quCaSi gavidnen da naxaven,rac xdeba _ Zalian bevrs gadawyvetilicar aqvs, arCevnebzewava Tu ara!_ marina, weRan unda mekiTxada damaviwyda, parlamentSi Sesvlismere zurab Jvanias, gur-am SaraZisa da sxva saqmeebisgamoZebis sakiTxs Tu daayen-ebT?_ aucileblad da vibrZoleb,rom es saqmeebi gaixsnas!_ ise, dRes rom Jvaniacocxali iyos, „patriotebTan”Tqvens wasvlas moiwonebda? am-as imitom gekiTxebiT, rom awgansvenebuli premieri mkveT-rad prodasavluri politikismimdevari iyo da saqarTvelosneitralitets mxars ar uWer-da..._ vin giTxraT, rom „patriotTaaliansi” dasavleTTanurTierTobas uaryofs? CvenevropasTanac araCveulebriviurTierToba gvaqvs, aSS-sTanacda ruseTTanac! saerTod, Tupartia xar, diplomatiuriurTierToba yvela qveyanasTanunda gqondes, Tumca yvelasTansakuTari qveynis politika undagaataro. amitom ise nu CaTvliT,rom „patriotTa alianss”diplomatiuri urTierToba mxolodruseTTan aqvs da briuselTanTu vaSingtonTan _ara! mokled, darwmunebulivar, rom zura Cems nabijs Zalianmoiwonebda. es partiac zustadimisTvis ibrZvis, risTvisacJvania ibrZoda! „patriotTaaliansis” prorusulobazesaubari sasacilo iciT,kidev ratomaa?_ ratom?_ 12 wels, rogorc giTxariT,frankofonuri saparlamentoasambleis delegaciis xelmZRvaneliviyavi da swored amasambleaze gveubnebodnen, romsaqarTvelos urTierToba yvelasTanunda hqondes. sxvaTaSoris, is kidev sxva Temaa, evropulqveynebSi amerikanizaciiswinaaRmdeg rogor ibrZvian!_ marina, erTsac gkiTxavT:Tavis droze duSeTis maJoritariiyaviT. wels mcxeTa-mTianeTis maJoritarad kenWsratom ar iyriT?_ partiaSi es sakiTxi ar dasmula,Tumca rom dasmuliyo,viyridi. simarTle giTxraT,CemTvis ufro sainteresoa, rompolitikaSi axali saxeebi movidnen.wlebis ganmavlobaSi mxolodduSeTis maJoritari kiara, deputati partiuli sii-Tac viyavi. sakuTar Tavze laparakiar miyvars, magram racSemeZlo, yvelaferi gavakeTe._ ise, marina, ivaniSvilsa dasaakaSvils rom SexvdeT, rashkiTxavT?_ ivaniSvils vkiTxav: raduRirda, rom kohabitacias Seuwyoxeli da isev is Zala moiyvana,romlis winaaRmdegac amdenienergia daxarja da yvelaferigaakeTa, rom am mkvlelebisada naZiralebisgan politikuriveli gaeTavisuflebina?rac Seexeba saakaSvils, yvelaferiis, rac bolo SexvedrisasvuTxari, ausrulda da sworedamas gavaxsenebdi._ da bolo Sexvedraze miSasra uTxariT?_ Seni gundi dagRupavs-meTqi._ anu fiqrobT, rom saqar-Tvelos mesame prezidentisakuTrama gundam daRupa?_ diax, daRupa!N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.13
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