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mxardaWera `nacionalur moZraobas~ aqvs!~
uri umravlesoba miviRoT.
_ vadamdeli arCevnebi Cveni
saxelmwifosTvis kargi iqneba
Tu cudi?
_ yvela qveyana, sadac aseTi
krizisi da gardamavali periodia,
cdilobs, rom myari da stabiluri
xelisufleba Seqmnas, anu
vadamdeli arCevnebi safrTxis
Semcveli arsad yofila da arc
CvenTan iqneba. piriqiT, vadamdeli
arCevnebi stabilizaciis garantiaa.
gavixsenoT, magaliTad,
italia an saberZneTi _ albaT,
gaxsovT, sami-oTxi wlis winaT ra
dReSic iyvnen, magram dalagdnen.
_ ki batono, magram italiisa
Tu saberZneTisgan gansxvavebiT,
saqarTvelos ekonomika zomaze
myifea. im fonze, roca lari
rekordulad ufasurdeba, vad-
amdeli arCevnebi uaresad ar
dagvaqcevs?
_ saberZneTSi bevrad cudi
viTareba iyo _ defoltis winaSe
idga, magram vadamdeli arCevnebiT
politikuri stabilizacia
daiwyo da procesic ne-nela dalagda.
sxvaTa Soris, igive procesebi,
Tavis droze, espaneTSic
iyo da portugaliaSic. mokled,
vadamdeli arCevnebi ekonomikisTvis
SeiZleba, safrTxea, magram
es dauZleveli faqtori araa.
saerTod, ekonomikisTvis politikuri
stabluroba yovelTvis
garantiaa da es gza gasavleli
gvaqvs. yvelaferi es martivad,
ucbad da xelis erTi mosmiT ar
moxdeba...
_ maSasadame, 31 oqtombris
Semdeg qarTul politikaSi
ufro saintereso procesebi
daiwyeba, ara?
_ ra Tqma unda. xalxi ufro
met Zalas igrZnobs da ufro
jansaRi procesebi daiwyeba.
Cven xom beladomania gvWirs _
amas vera da ver avcdiT. am krizisidan
gamosvliT ki, pirvel rig-
Si, es beladomania moispoba da
Tavisufali konkurencia daiwyeba.
Tavisufal konkurenciaSi ki,
cxadia, yvela politikur Zalas
meti Sansi eqneba, rom xalxis realuri
ndoba da, Sesabamisad,
Zalauflebac moipovos. dRemde
Catarebul nebismier arCevnebSi
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba erT
qarizmatul liders hqonda. axla
swored es suraTi icvleba,
anu jansaRdeba.
_ e. i. wlevandel arCevnebze
mixeil saakaSvilis aqtiurobas
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aRar
eqneba?
_ saakaSvili Tavisi partiis
`aSS-is saelCo da sxva samsaxurebic amboben,
rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba
destabilizaciis wyaros warmoadgens da
amitom sazogadoeba frTxilad unda iyos, anu
roca saarCevno kampaniis piki iqneba da
`ocneba~ dainaxavs, arCevnebs agebs, iseT
xerxebs mimarTavs, rom Zalaufleba
SeinarCunos, magram meore sakiTxia, Tundac am
xerxebiT Zalauflebas SeinarCunebs Tu vera~
mxardaWeraze muSaobs. is rom
gaCerdes da tempi Seanelos,
bunebrivia, viRac ifiqrebs, „nacionalebi”
arCevnebs, mgoni, ageben
da gulgatexilebi amitom
ariano. saakaSvili saarCevno kampaniis
dros aseT suraTs ar Seqmnis.
piriqiT, muxts rac SeiZleba,
maRla awevs da Seecdeba, sakuTari
amomrCeveli daarwmunos,
rom am arCevnebs swored „nacionaluri
moZraoba” igebs.
_ sxvaTa Soris, saakaSvilma,
roca ganacxada, vbrundebio,
muxti, marTlac, awia, Tumca maleve
ganacxada, maSin davbrundebi,
roca qveyanaSi destabili-
zaciis safrTxe ar iarsebebso
da am meore gancxadebam igive
„nacmoZraobis” gulSematkivre-
bi, cota ar iyos, daabnia...
_ saakaSvils ar uTqvams,
saqarTveloSi xval vbrundebio.
iciT, es rogori gancxadeba iyo?
_ rogori?
_ saakaSvili Tu saWiroeba
iqneba, dabrundeba, Tu ar iqneba,
ar dabrundeba.
_ Tqveni azriT, dRes saakaS-
vilis saqarTveloSi dabruneb-
is saWiroeba arsebobs?
_ dRes qveyanaSi yovel mxriv
umZimesi viTarebaa _ pandemia,
ekonomikuri kolafsi, politikuri
aSliloba da aseve arastabiluri
politikuri garemos
Seqmnaa mosalodneli. aseT situaciaSi
saakaSvili maprovocirebeli
iqneba Tu ara, es Tavad
maszea damokidebuli, Tumca is
bavSvi ar aris _ saxelisuflebo,
ase vTqvaT, rgoli gavlili aqvs
da saxelmwifos problemebi, ase
Tu ise, icis.
_ diax, magram es ra SuaSia?
_ saakaSvils raSi awyobs, rom
saqarTveloSi situacia airios,
daiZabos da umarTavi gaxdes?
sxvaTa Soris, es aravis interes-
Si ar Sedis.
_ batono valeri, iqidan ga-
momdinare, rom gamocdili
iuristi xarT, erT kiTxvas dag-
isvamT: „nacionalurma” moZraobam
mixeil saakaSvili, romelzedac
saqarTveloSi e. w. Sida Zeb-
naa gamocxadebuli da romelic
am qveynis moqalaqec araa, pre-
`lukaSenkos xelisufleba myari iyo, magram
biZinas xelisuflebaze ver vityviT, rom
myariao. es moryeuli xelisuflebaa da isic
ki waaqcevs, suli rom SeuberoT. ar mgonia,
aseTma aramyarma xelisuflebam represiebi
daiwyos - saamisod energia ar eyofa~
mierobis kandidatad daasaxela.
vTqvaT, 31 oqtombers arCevnebi
yofilma mmarTvelma partiam
moigo. ra meqanizmi arsebobs,
rom ucxo qveynis Zebnili mo-
qalaqe, anu mixeil saakaSvili,
Cveni premieri gaxdes?
_ saakaSvils Zalian martivad
SeuZlia, rom saqarTvelos premier-ministri
gaxdes.
_ amixseniT, rogor martivad?
_ Tu opozicia umravlesobis
Seqmnas moaxerxebs da am umravlesobaSi
dominanti „nacionaluri
moZraoba” iqneba, maSin parlamentis
pirvelsave sxdomaze
saakaSvils im braldebebs, romelic
wayenebuli aqvs, mouxsnian.
_ parlaments braldebebis
moxsnasTan ra xeli aqvs? saami-
sod xom sasamarTloa saWiro?
_ mesmis, magram arsebobs parlamentis
cnobili dadgenileba,
romelic politpatimrebs exeba,
anu saakaSvili politpatimrad an
politikur devnilad iqneba miCneuli
da mis winaaRmdeg yvelanairi
devna parlamentis dadgenilebis
Sesabamisad Sewydeba. garda
amisa, meore gzac arsebobs.
_ kerZod?
_ axal parlaments mTavrobis
dasakompleqteblad 20 dRe aqvs.
amitom sasamarTlo sxdoma daCqarebulad
Catardeba da savsebiT
SesaZlebelia, rom sasamarTlom
saakaSvils yvela braldeba
erT kviraSi mouxsnas. amis Semdeg
ki is saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis
aRdgenas moiTxovs.
_ ra garantia arsebobs, rom
prezidenti salome zurabiSvili,
romlis qarTul poli-
tikaSi damkvidrebac swored
saakaSvilis damsaxurebaa da
romelic dRes miSas dasanaxad
ver itans, mas saqarTvelos mo-
qalaqeobas aRudgens?
_ Tu zurabiSvili saakaSvils
saqarTvelos moqalaqeobas ar
aRudgens, maSin es saqme sasamarTloSi
gasaCivrdeba da sasamarTlo
prezidentis brZanebas gaauqmebs.
_ yvelaferi es droSi gai-
weleba. amitomac zogs hgonia,
rom saakaSvilis premierobis
kandidatad dasaxelebiT „nacio-
nalurma moZraobam”, ubralod,
sakuTari amomrCevlis mobili-
zeba moaxdina, Torem miSa
saqarTveloSi dabrunebas Sesa-
Zloa, saerTodac ar apirebs...
_ ki batono, arsebobs konstituciuri
SezRudva, rom premieri
saqarTvelos moqalaqe unda
iyos, magram xom gvaqvs precedentebi,
roca maRal Tanamdebobaze
iseTi piri dainiSna, romelic
saqarTvelos moqalaqe ar iyo?
_ magaliTad?
_ igive prezidenti, anu Tu
„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” SeiZleboda,
rom safrangeTis moqalaqe
salome zurabiSvili prezidenti
gamxdariyo da igive safrangeTis
moqalaqe biZina ivaniSvili _
premieri, maSin ratom ar SeiZleba,
rom premieri saakaSvilic
gaxdes?
erTi sityviT, rTuli barierebi
arsebobs, magram Tu politikuri
neba iqneba, samarTlebrivad
yvelafris gakeTeba SeiZleba.
sxvaTa Soris, parlaments premierobis
kandidatis wardgenis,
ase vTqvaT, ori vada aqvs. pirveli
vada 7-dRian proceduras
iTvaliswinebs, meore vada ki _
orkvirians. saerTo jamSi, 21 dRe
gamodis. Tu parlamenti prezidentis
mier wardgenil premieris
kandidaturas Caagdebs, amis
Semdeg kidev axali 21-dRiani
procedura daiwyeba. Tu parlamentma
premieris kandidatura
meoredac Caagdo, aseT SemTxveva-
Si vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi
unda dainiSnos.
_ ise, raki momaval premierobaze
vsaubrobT, barem gkiTxavT
_ TiTqmis yvela opoziciur
partias premierobis saku-
Tari kandidati hyavs. ramdenime
dRis win am Tanamdebobaze pretenzia
gamoTqva „leiboristebis”
lidermac _ Salva naTelaS-
vilis TqmiT, igi mzadaa, rom
saqarTvelos mTavrobis meTau-
ri gaxdes. mokled, batono valeri,
premierobis uamravi kan-
didatia.
_ diax, yvelas premierobis
Tavisi kandidati hyavs _ „lelodan”
dawyebuli, „startegia aRmaSenebliT”
damTavrebuli. yvela
es gancxadeba imazea mibmuli,
Tu ra fasi daedeba im mandatebs,
romelsac TiToeuli partia
arCevnebSi miiRebs, anu arsebobs
albaToba, rom premieri yvelaze
mcire zomis partiis warmomadgeneli
gaxdes.
_ es rogor?
_ davuSvaT, samma opoziciurma
partiam koalicia Seqmna, magram
imisTvis, rom mTavroba daakopleqtos,
ori mandati akldeba.
aseT SemTxvevaSi es ori mandati
„oqros mandati” iqneba, anu
am ori „oqros mandatis” mqone
partia ityvis, ki batono, koaliciaSi
Semoval, magram premieris
Tanamdeboba momeciT. Tu ar momceT,
maSin meore banakSi wavalo.
erTi sityviT, politikuri Tama-
Si „oqros mandatebiT” daiwyeba.
am TamaSs, gnebavT, spekulacia
davarqvaT. im adamianebs, romlebic
Tavs premierobis kandidatad
asaxeleben, albaT, es suraTi
aqvT warmodgenili. mokled,
premier-ministris bedi SesaZloa,
erTma mandatma gadawyvitos!
_ maSasadame, reziume rom
gavakeToT, cudi araferi
gvelodeba, batono valeri?
_ ara! erTaderTi cudi varianti
SesaZloa, is iyos, rom biZinam
arCevnebi gaayalbos da lukaSenkos
scenari gaimeoros, magram
sxva saqmea, biZinas xelisufleba
lukaSenkos scenars gau-
Zlebs Tu vera.
_ ratom ver gauZlebs?
_ lukaSenkos xelisufleba
myari iyo, magram biZinas xelisuflebaze
ver vityviT, rom myariao.
es moryeuli xelisuflebaa
da isic ki waaqcevs, suli rom
SeuberoT. ar mgonia, aseTma aramyarma
xelisuflebam represiebi
daiwyos _ saamisod energia ar
eyofa.
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