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eka kvaliaSvils?!
wvanan, ase ar gadaedebaT araferi?
anu manqanaSi gadaedebaT da
sawolSi _ ara? mivmarTav sazogadoebas,
rom arc ifiqroT
da arc akadroT sakuTar Tavs
aranairi agresia, iyaviT mSvidad,
wynarad, siyvaruli savseni.
rogorc giWirT Tqven, ase miWirs
mec. ar daiwyoT imaze laparaki,
neta, Sen ra genaRvleba, qveynis
fuli gaqvso. ar maqvs.
_ ramdenad rTulad SegexoT
es pandemia?
_ gaaCnia, rogor Seixeb raRacas.
ver Semexo da iciT, ratom?
_ cota ufro maRla vdgavar
aseT raRacebze. rac SeiZleba
unda geWiroT bevri sinaTle da
siyvaruli. veravis verafrisken
movuwodeb. iyaviT maRal ganwyobaze,
maRal cnobierebaSi, siyvaruliT
savse, nu jujRunebT,
nu SegSurdebaT, ar iyoT agresiulebi.
aris Tavisufali neba,
kosmiuri kanoni da am nebas arc
erTi RvTisnieri adamiani ar ar-
Rvevs, mxolod dabal vibraciaSi
myofi adamianebi Zaladoben. ZaliT
arasodes araferi gaakeToT.
_ Tumca es Tavisufali neba
TavisTavad gvezRudeba, roca
konkretul raRacas kanoni
gvikrZalavs da kanons unda
daemorCilo.
_ kanonma rom giTxras, TviTmfrinavidan
uparaSutod gadaxtio,
gadaxtebi?
_ ara.
_ da kanoni Tu geubneba, gadaxtio?
amitom, Cemo Zvirfaso,
adamians aqvs neba da sakuTari azric.
me imitom gavakeTe es patara
Sedareba, rom daaxloebiT
unda mixvdes adamiani, Tu rogor
unda moiqces. viRaca Tu cuds
misurvebs, sakuTar Tavs blokavs,
mis cxovrebaSi ukve iseTi kvanZi
gakeTda, romelic unda moimuSakos,
rom raRacas eRirsos cxovrebaSi.
_ arsebobs kulturis poli-
tika?
_ kulturis politika rom arsebobdes,
gamosvlebs ki ar moiTxovda
es xalxi. erT raRacas vetyvi
yvelas: gamosvlebi ar gindaT,
xalxo. es nervebs mogiSliT,
dagajaxebT viRacebs, ar gindaT
agresia. Tqven xom xelovani adamianebi
xarT, romlebsac evalebaT,
rom mudmiv siyvarulSi iyvnen.
mesmis, rom giWirT, magram nu
geSiniaT. yvelaferi kargad iqneba.
_ es gamosvlebi xom bevris-
Tvis tribunaa da xmis miwvdenis
erT-erTi saukeTeso saSualeba?
_ da Sen rogor fiqrob, ar
ician? am gamosvlebiT mxolod
da mxolod guls ifxanen, aris
saSineli energiis gamostyorcna
da am dros araferi keTdeba.
rame moxda wlebis ganmavlobaSi?
rame Seicvala?
_ gamosavals sad xedavT?
_ dawynardnen. yvela unda
`koncerti tardeba da me ar
meZaxian. Sesabamisad, giCndeba
kiTxva: ratom?! vin var me? da
zustad es SekiTxva davsvi
socialur qselSi. ase xdeboda
wlebis manZilze da ase xdeba
axlac. nuTu, Cems kolegebs
TvalSi arasodes davklebivar
da ar ukiTxavT, Tu sad
viyavi? me, magaliTad,
yovelTvis momikiTxavs Cemi
kolegebi, rodesac isini
koncertze ar daminaxavs~
davwynardeT. yvelam unda vimuSaoT
sakuTar Tavze, rom rac
SeiZleba meti sinaTle avanToT.
_ saqmis mxriv ra iqneba?
_ ar vici, ra hqvia kulturis
ministrs? gvyavs saerTod?! wlebis
ganmavlobaSi sul imas gavyviri,
rom SegvxvdiT, vinc raRacas
vazrovnebT, dagvelaparakeT,
gagviziareT da gagiziarebT
Cvens mosazrebas. me vici, rom
erTi Sexvedra kaxi kalaZem gaakeTa
xelovan adamianebTan, magram
CemTan aravis daurekavs.
_ Zalian martivad rom vTqvaT,
aravis ainteresebs kul-
turis sfero?
_ xedavT vinmes interess? me
_ ara.
_ bevri problemis miuxeda-
vad, Zalian pozitiuri xarT da
ar vardebiT depresiaSi. Zlieri
adamiani brZandebiT?
_ ra Tqma unda, lomi var.
rogor SeiZleba, depresiaSi Cavardna?
siyvaruli aris yvelaze
maRali vibracia da siyvaruli
aris RmerTi. depresia da sasowarkveTa
dabali vibraciaa. Tu
gindaT, rom yvelaferi kargad
iyos, gadadiT maRal vibracieb-
Si, anu siyvarulSi. gaaTavisufleT
Tqveni goneba da mxolod
kargze ifiqreT.
_ cxovrebis gakveTilebidan
ra iswavleT?
_ Zalian bevri ram. am cxovrebam
maswavla moTmineba, pozitivisa
da sinaTlis daWera, rogor
unda gaviTavisuflo goneba da
tvini yvelanairi negatiuri azrovnebisgan
da viswavle is, Tu
rogori kargia es samyaro. rogorc
dainaxav da dagegmav yvelafers,
ise iqneba Seni cxovreba.
Cven varT Semoqmedi RmerTis
Svilebi da CvenSic aris is Semoqmedeba.
Tqveni warmosaxva qmnis
Tqvens realobas. Tu rwmena myaria,
yvelaferi gamodis. patara
magaliTs moviyvan: rodesac ieso
qriste midis da ukan mihyveba bevri
xalxi, mas erTi qali daedevneba,
samoselis bolos mohkidebs
xels da ganikurneba. es qali wlebis
manZilze iyo sisxlmdeni, mas
Seuwydeba sisxldena, ganikurneba.
motrialdeba ieso qriste da
qali eubneba mas, _ madloba,
ufalo, rom Sen me momarCine.
ieso ki pasuxobs, _ me ara, Senma
rwmenam gadagarCina.
Tu kargad daukvirdebiT am
sityvebs, maSin Zalian bevr raRacas
mixvdeba Tqveni lamazi da
RvTaebrivi goneba.
`uars vambobT oponentebisTvis talaxis srolaze~
22-e gverdidan
- namdvili lideri CemTvis is adamiania,
vinc sxva liderebs aZlevs SesaZleblobas,
warmatebas miaRwion.
_ isev vaSaZis mimarT wamosul agresias
davubrundebi. is opoziciam er-
Toblivad daasaxela maJoritar kandi-
datad, magram rac sapremiero ambiciebi
gauCnda, „nacionalebma” mas xatia de-
kanoiZis kandidatura dauyenes. isanSi
isedac rTulad iyo saqme da dekanoiZis
gamoCena xom kidev met problemas
gaaCens?
_ Zalian dasanania, rom „nacionaluri
moZraobis” zogierTi lideri ver gascda
viwro partiul interesebs. am partiaSi
bevr adamians vicnob da bevr maTgans pativs
vcem. isinic pativs gvcemen Cven. samwuxarod,
maT gadawyvetilebebis miRebaze
xeli ar miuwvdebaT. gadawyvetilebebis
miRebaze im adamianebs miuwvdebaT xeli,
romlebic viwropartiul merkantilur
interesebs ver gascdnen.
Zalian samwuxaro ram moxda isanSi. giorgi
vaSaZes SeeZlo, am olqSi pirvelive
turSi gaemarjva, magram xatia dekanoiZis
kandidaturis dayenebiT „nacionalebma”
meore turis Sansi misces biZina ivaniSvils.
samwuxaro da dasanania, ase rom moxda,
magram ara uSavs. Cven am winaaRmdegobasac
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gadavlaxavT. opozicias mainc ar davupirispirdebiT.
SevecdebiT, isev gamovnaxoT
maTTan saerTo ena.
Cven dRes erTmaneTi gvWirdeba. unda
gvaxsovdes, rom Cveni mTavari samizne
„qarTuli ocneba” da biZina ivaniSvilia,
amitom yvelam unda vipovoT erTmaneTTan
misasvleli gzebi. axla saqarTvelos
Zalian sWirdeba Cveni erTianoba. darwmunebuli
var, rom erTmaneTTan misasvlel
gzebs yvela vipoviT.
_ erTmaneTTan misasvlel gzebs
„evropuli saqarTvelo” da „naciona-
lebic” ipovian? bolo debatebSi Zalian
cudad gamoCnda orive mxare.
_ sxva gza gvaqvs, rom erTmaneTTan
saerTo ar gamovnaxoT? warmatebis miRweva
da ivaniSvilis damarcxeba Tu gvinda,
erTmaneTTan misasvleli gzebi unda vipovoT.
is dro, rasac dapirispirebaze vxarjavT,
„qarTuli ocnebis” winaaRmdeg
mivmarToT. es energia umuSevrobisa da
siRaribis winaaRmdeg sabrZolvelad rom
migvemarTa, saqarTvelo nomer pirveli
qveyana iqneboda.
„strategia aRmaSenebeli” orientirebulia
momavalze, erTianobasa da aRm-
Seneblobaze. amomrCeveli amas aucileblad
dainaxavs.
mivmarTav imaT, vinc am intervius waikiTxavs:
Tqven ra ggoniaT, giorgi vaSaZe
ver Sekrebda e. w. meorad politikosebs?
dRe ar gava, rom aseTebi ar movidnen Cven-
Tan, magram kategoriul uars vambobT maT
miRebaze. uars vambobT, radgan gvinda,
„strategia aRmaSenebeli” sufTa da axali
adamianebiT iyos dakompleqtebuli.
axal adamianebs rom vambob, sruliad
ucnob personebs ar vgulisxmob. isini
politikaSi ar yofilan, Torem TavianT
sferoSi warmatebulebi arian. maT Seu-
ZliaT saqmis keTeba. Cvenc saqmis sakeTeblad
movediT politikaSi da Cveni mizani
konkurentebis CaZirva ar aris.
_ politikaSi sxva Tu ar CaZire, ise
arCevnebs ver moigeb.
`mivmarTav imaT, vinc am intervius waikiTxavs: Tqven ra
ggoniaT, giorgi vaSaZe ver Sekrebda e. w. meorad
politikosebs? dRe ar gava, rom aseTebi ar movidnen
CvenTan, magram kategoriul uars vambobT maT miRebaze.
uars vambobT, radgan gvinda, `strategia aRmaSenebeli~
sufTa da axali adamianebiT iyos dakompleqtebuli~
_ Cven vamkvidrebT standarts, rom
arCevnebSi warmatebis miRweva konkurentis
CaZirvis gareSec SesaZlebelia. mTavaria,
Tavad sazogadoebam moindomos es cvlileba.
_ unda sazogadoebas es cvlileba?
_ veravin damajerebs, rom sazogadoebas
cvlileba ar unda.
_ ratom ver dagajerebT amaSi ver-
avin?
_ imitom, rom Tu sazogadoebas cvlileba
ar unda, es imas niSnavs, rom mas
moswons SimSili, maRali sabanko procentebis
gadaxda, 300%-iT gaZvirebuli
medikamentebi;
sazogadoebas cvlilebebi Tu ar unda,
es imas niSnavs, rom mas moewona, rogor
iSova koronapandemiis dros ivaniSvilis
xelisuflebam milionebi.
darwmunebuli var, sazogadoebas ar
moswons is, rac dRes qveyanaSi xdeba. amitom
mjera, xalxs cvlilebebi unda. es
maZlevs imis imeds, rom Cven yvelani vipoviT
erTmaneTTan misasvlel gzas da
saqarTvelos momavlisTvis gaverTiandebiT.
unda vimuSaoT imaze, rom xalxs nihilizmi
gauqres. xalxi unda davarwmunoT,
rom yvela erTi araa da viRac aucileblad
izrunebs maTze. Tu gvinda SevcvaloT
realoba, unda SevcvaloT arCevani,
romelic axali Taobis sufTa politikosebs
ekuTvnis.
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