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seriozulad gajora!~
denime komerciuli bankis xelSia,
magram maTi socialuri pasuxismgebloba,
praqtikulad, nulia,
anu komerciuli bankebi xalxze
ki ara, mxolod sakuTar mogebaze
zrunaven. Cven swored es usamarTloba
unda gavasworoT! Tu
ase ar moxdeba, maSin saxelmwifo
aRar gveqneba, radgan xazinaSi
aaraferia, erovnuli banki mxolod
komerciul bankebze
muSaobs _ erTmaneTTan garigebuli
arian. Sesabamisad, garedan
Semosuli nasesxebi fulic komerciul
bankebSi ideba da xalxi,
mapatieT da, xaxamSrali rCeba!
_ batono kote, komerciuli
bankebis mxileba „tribunis”,
rogorc ityvian, mTavari
saarCevno „fiSkaa”, magram mx-
olod am TemiT xalxs rogor
daarwmunebT, rom xelisufleba
Sesacvlelia?
_ normalur viTarebaSi qveynis
ekonomikis, maqsimum, 25 procenti
ori komerciuli bankis
xelSi unda iyos, magram dRes am
komerciul bankebs qveynis
ekonomikis lamis 65 procentze
meti ukanonod aqvs miTvisebuli,
rac paTologiaa _ rogor Sei-
Zleba, qveynisa da xalxis amxela
qoneba da kapitali komerciuli
bankebis xelSi iyos?! yvelafers
Tavi rom davaneboT, xalxisgan
amoRebuli fuli, e. w. dagrovebiTi
pensia, romelic 560 milionia,
komerciul bankebSi devs, rac
arajansaRia. qveyanas saxelmwifo
sadazRveo kompaniac ki ar gaaCnia,
rom pensiebi daazRvios da
komerciulma bankma moxucebi ar
gaRlitos. mokled, Cven balanss
sasamarTlos meSveobiT gava-
TanabrebT da saxelmwifo qonebis,
minimum, 55 procenti saxelmwifosve
daubrundeba. saerTod,
saxelmwifos politikuri movaleoba
xalxze zrunvaa. amis Semdeg
laparaki pensiebis garomagebazec
SeiZleba da mosaxleobis
darRveuli uflebebis aRdgenac!
_ batono kote, yvelaferi es
gasagebia, magram sxva rames gekiTxebiT,
anu 2012 wlis ms-
gavsad, sazogadoebas dResac
aqvs ganwyoba, rom xelisufleba
aucileblad unda Seicvalos?
sxvaTa Soris, analitikosTa nawili
ambobs, Tuki opozicia erTmaneTTan
kinklaobas gaagr-
Zelebs, „ocnebas” safrTxe ar
emqureba da xelisuflebaSi me-
same vadiTac darCebao...
_ simarTle giTxraT, ar vici,
amis Tqma romel analitikoss
mouvida azrad. igive ucxouri
organizaciebis gamokiTxvebiT,
mosaxleobis 76 procenti xelisuflebis
Secvlas araTu
elodeba, aramed, iTxovs! amasTan,
70 procentze meti miiCnevs, rom
saxelmwifo araswori gziT vi-
Tardeba. aqedan gamomdinare, Zneli
misaxvedri araa, xalxis ganwyoba
rogoria, magram weRandeli
Tqmisa ar iyos, opoziciam
arCevnebi raRac erTiani siiT ki
ar unda moigos, aramed TiToeuli
opoziciuri Zala, da aseTi
`Tu realurad vimsjelebT, `ocnebis~ reitingi, maqsimum, 26-27 procentia. es
cifri ki ar moimatebs, piriqiT, daiklebs, magram mmarTveli partiis
reitingi 30-is farglebSic rom darCes, erTi analitikosic ki, sul rom
Worvilidan biZinas biZaSvili iyos, ver ityvis, es reitingi `ocnebas~
saparlamento umravlesobisTvis, anu 76 mandatisTvis eyofao~
bevrni varT, amomrCevelTan unda
mivides da daarwmunos, rom sxvadasxva
opoziciuri ZalisTvis
micemul xmebs, saboloo jamSi,
xelisuflebis Secvla mohyveba!
ai, es gzaa swori da is, vinc ambobs,
rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi
mesame vadiTac darCeba,
analitikosi ki ara, biZinas daqiravebulia!
politikaSi sakmaod
didi gamocdileba maqvs da, me Tu
mkiTxavT, opozicia axla swor
gzaze dgas, anu imas ki ar unda
velodoT, rom raRac jgufuri
aRlumebi gveqneba, aramed pasuxismgebloba
TiToeulma unda avi-
RoT da adamianebi davarwmunoT,
rom xelisufleba aucileblad
unda Seicvalos, ris Semdegac
iseTi mTavroba da xelisufleba
gveyoleba, romelic xalxis
winaSe pasuxismgebeli iqneba.
_ sxvaTa Soris, mixeil saakaSvilic,
praqtikulad, amas ambobs,
anu erT-erTi bolo gamosvlisas
eqsprezidentma ganacxa-
da, aranairi koalicia, axali
mTavroba mTlianad „nacionalurma
moZraobam” unda daako-
mpleqtoso.
_ me amas ar vambob.
_ aba, ras ambobT, batono
kote?
_ yvelaferi arCevnebis Sedegebze
iqneba damokidebuli.
_ diax, mesmis, Tumca isic
cnobilia, rom „tribuna” ar
apirebs, koaliciuri mTavroba
„nacebs” an „qocebs” Seuqmnas...
_ ki batono, asea.
_ hoda, TqvenTvis ra mniS-
vneloba aqvs, koaliciisTvis
xmebi romel politikur Zalas
daakldeba?
_ axla yvela partia imisTvis
ibrZvis, rom xmebis maqsimaluri
raodenoba miiRos. sxva rameze ki
arCevnebis damTavrebis Semdeg
vilaparakoT...
_ keTili, es Tema arCevnebis
Semdeg ganvavrcoT, magram
iziarebT Tu ara mosazrebas,
rom „nacionalebisa” da Tundac
„evrosaqebis” kinklaoba „ocneb-
is” saarCevno wisqvilze asxams
wyals?
_ Cemi mxridan sxva partiebis
survilebis komentireba arc koreqtuli
iqneba da arc _ Sedegis
momtani, magram roca erTic
`rogor SeiZleba, qveynisa da xalxis amxela
qoneba da kapitali komerciuli bankebis xelSi
iyos?! yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,
xalxisgan amoRebuli fuli, e. w. dagrovebiTi
pensia, romelic 560 milionia, komerciul
bankebSi devs, rac arajansaRia. qveyanas
saxelmwifo sadazRveo kompaniac ki ar gaaCnia,
rom pensiebi daazRvios da komerciulma bankma
moxucebi ar gaRlitos. mokled, Cven balanss
sasamarTlos meSveobiT gavaTanabrebT da
saxelmwifo qonebis, minimum, 55 procenti
saxelmwifosve daubrundeba~
da meorec amtkicebs, mTavari
varo, es „Suas gakrefis” pozicia
da, vfiqrob, fuWi mcdelobaa.
_ ratom?
_ wina arCevnebisgan gansxvavebiT,
axla politikaSi sami velia.
_ anu?
_ 1. xelisufleba, 2. e. w. mTavari
opozicia, rogorc zemoxsenebuli
partiebi sakuTar Tavs
eZaxian da 3. opozicia, romelic,
realurad, adamianis uflebebisTvis
ibrZvis da sakuTar Tavs
arc „nacebSi” xedavs da arc _
„ocnebaSi”.
_ batono kote, CamizusteT:
„nacmoZraoba” da „evropuli
saqarTvelo” joxis erT bolod
migaCniaT Tu ara?
_ amaze verafers getyviT.
jobia, amis Taobaze maT hkiTxoT,
Tumca informaciam gamoJona,
rom parlamentis momaval Tavmjdomareze
molaparakebebs awarmoebdnen
da aqedan daskvnas amomrCeveli
gaakeTebs.
_ da mainc, batono kote, Tuki
ise moxda, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi
darCenas mesame vadi-
Tac gadawyvets da 31 oqtombers
Tavs gamarjvebulad gamo-
acxadebs, Tqveni azriT, pirvel
oqtombers, anu arCevnebis meore
dRes, ra moxdeba?
_ vxedavT, rom iseTi avtoritetuli
da miukerZoebeli saer-
TaSoriso organizaciebis gamokiTxviT,
rogoric, magaliTad, „endiai”
Tu „airaia”, „qarTuli ocnebis”
reitingi 30-procentis
farglebSia. sxvaTa Soris, es kvlevebi
maSinaa Catarebuli, roca
pandemiis Sedegebi garTulebuli
ar iyo. axla ki jandacva, praqtikulad,
CamoSlilia da „ocnebas”
korona Wirad eqca. Cemi informaciiT,
gamokvlevebis savele
samuSaoebi axlac tardeba.
_ sxva rame gkiTxeT da, ukac-
ravad, es ra SuaSia?
_ mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom
Tu realurad vimsjelebT, „ocnebis”
reitingi, maqsimum, 26-27
procentia. es cifri ki ar moimatebs,
piriqiT, daiklebs, magram
mmarTveli partiis reitingi 30-
is farglebSic rom darCes, erTi
analitikosic ki, sul rom Worvilidan
biZinas biZaSvili iyos,
ver ityvis, es reitingi „ocnebas”
saparlamento umravlesobisTvis,
anu 76 mandatisTvis eyofao.
arc is dagvaviwydes, rom sakonstitucio
cvlilebebiT proporciul
arCevnebSi, ase vTqvaT,
sakontrolo paketi 40 procentia.
hoda, „ocneba” am 40 procents
ver moagrovebs.
_ es Teoriulad, magram, da-
vuSvaT, mmarTvelma gundma
arCevnebi totalurad gaayalba
da Tavi gamarjvebulad gamoacx-
ada. ai, amis Semdeg ra xdeba?
_ amis Semdeg is moxdeba, rac
2003 wels saqarTveloSi an, Tavis
droze, ukrainasa da mezobel
somxeTSi moxda.
_ anu revolucia?
_ roca sakuTar xalxs konstutucias,
strategiul partniorebs,
maT Soris, aSS-s mis mier
Catarebul kvlevebs Tavze axev,
imas miiReb, rasac aseT dros
Rebuloben xolme _ sanqciebi
iqneba!
_ movlenebis am scenariT gan-
viTareba realuria?
_ yvela saerTaSoriso organizacia
ambobs, rom 31 oqtombris
arCevnebi testi iqneba, saqarTveloSi
demokratia gagrZeldeba
Tu ara. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu am
tests ver Caabarebs, Zneli gamosacnobi
araa, rom am xelisuflebas
Zalian mZime momavali elis!
_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqne-
ba, magram im fonze, roca lari
rekordulad ufasurdeba da
socialuri fonic mZimdeba, 31
oqtombramde xalxi rogor mi-
aRwevs?
_ imis Sesaxeb, ra gamosavalic
31 oqtombris Semdegaa, ukve visaubreT
_ saxelmwifom is saxsrebi,
romelic gaflangulia, unda
daibrunos da sakuTar moqalaqeebze
fiqri daiwyos. rac Seexeba im
nabijebs, romlebic 31-mde unda
gadaidgas, Tu „ocnebaSi” vinme
Wkviani mainc aris, imaze unda ifiqros,
rom am erT TveSi soflis
meurneobis produqtebis gadamuSaveba
daiwyos. dRes Cven Tavidan
bolomde imaze varT damokidebuli,
rom saWmeli ucxoeTidan
SemovitanoT. xorblis Semotanac
mTlianad ruseTs miabes...
pandemia mxolod CvenTan ki ara,
mTel msoflioSia da, Sesabamisad,
produqtebi yvelagan Zvirdeba.
Cven ki mxolod muSaxeli ki ar
gyavs, aramed miwac gvaqvs da wyalic,
rom saWmeli vawarmooT.
amitom sakvebi prduqtebis warmoeba
xvalidanve unda daiwyos,
magram mTeli parlamenti da mTavroba
_ Ss ministris moadgile
xaniSvilidan dawyebuli TurnavaTi
damTavrebuli, importis
lobistebiTaa savse da ar undaT,
rom kitri, kartofili Tu pomidori
saqarTveloSi modiodes. ai,
swored amis gamosworeba unda
daviwyoT da maragebi SevqmnaT, magram,
samwuxarod, es amaT TavSi ar
Sedis da am ekonomikuri krizisis
daZlevas xalxisTvis 200 laris
darigebiT cdiloben. arada, yvela
vxvdebiT, rom es krizisi fulis
darigebiT ver daiZleva!
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