qronika+324

_ me var diana aruTuniani,
levan vardanianis da. 2012 wels
Cemi Zma iyo opoziciaSi, ninowmindaSi
„qarTuli ocnebis” aqtivisti
gaxldaT. is iyo erT-erTi
pirveli, romelic „ocnebas” SeuerTda.
arCevnebamde da arCevnebis
dros masTan xSirad iyo Semo-
Tavazebebi da muqarebi „nacionaluri
moZraobidan”, rom an gaCerebuliyo,
an maT mxares gadasuliyo.
am dros „nacionalur
moZraobas” Cvens regionSi enzel
mkoiani warmoadgenda. levani saxlSi
sul ambobda, rom mudmivad
uTvalTvalebdnen, yoveli misi
wasvla ninowmindidan Tbilisisken
saxifaTo iyo.
im dRes, roca is scemes, saxl-
Si marto viyavi bavSvebTan erTad.
CemTan movida Zalian SeSinebuli
erTi misi megobari da mekiTxeboda,
_ sadaa levani? vurekav da
ver vukavSirdebio. Cems Zmas sami
telefoni da sxvadasxva nomeri
hqonda. me movaxerxe mis erT-erT
nomerze darekva da vuTxari, rom
viRac roma mas saxlSi elodeboda.
Cemma Zmam miTxra, roma saxl-
Si ar SemeSva, ezoSi dalodeboda
da 15 wuTSi movidoda. asec moxda.
movida Cemi Zma. maT taqsiSi
daZabuli saubari hqondaT. roma
aSkarad SeSinebuli iyo, es ukanaskneli
mxolod ramdenjerme
myavda nanaxi, roca saarCevnod
levans exmareboda. amis Semdeg
Cemi Zma saxlSi Semovida da miTxra,
rom is sadRac gamoiZaxes,
Tan gamafrTxila, saxlSi rom davbrundebi
da karze davakakuneb,
maSinve ar gamiRoT, mxolod meore
dakakunebisa da daZaxebis Semdeg
gaaReTo. telefonzec roca
dagirekavT, Tu Cavaxveleb, e. i.
safrTxeSi var da es niSani iqnebao.
Cems sityvebs aRar daujer-
eliso kilaZe
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levan vardaniani „qarTuli ocnebis”
wevri 2011 wels, politikaSi biZina ivaniSvilis gamoCen-
isTanave, gaxda da arc imdroindel xelisuflebas Sepuebia
da arc skandalurad cnobil enzel mkoians, romelic maSin-
deli xelisuflebis saxe iyo samcxe-javaxeTSi da aqtiurad
ibrZoda „qarTuli ocnebis” winaaRmdeg. Tumca amas xeli ar
SeuSlia „ocnebisTvis”, mkoiani sakuTar rigebSi mieRoT da
mis warsulze Tvali daexuWaT.
ra viTarebaSi gardaicvala
levan vardaniani da ra kavSiri
aqvs mis mkvlelobasTan enzel
mkoians? rva wlis mere „qronika+”-sTan
dumils arRvevs gardacvlilis
da _ diana aruTuni-
ani:
_ diana, gmadlobT, rom interviuze
damTanxmdiT da sajar-
od gadawyviteT, Tqveni ojaxis
tragediaze „qronika+~-is meSve-
obiT isaubroT.
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oT, rasac getyviTo.
dedaCemi mezobelTan iyo. dabindda,
CemTan movida adgilobrivi
policiis TanamSromeli,
romelmac miTxra, rom Cemi Zmis
ucxouri pasporti unda, magram
me uari vuTxari, _ sanam Cemi Zma
ar damirekavs, pasports ar mogcemT-meTqi.
policieli gabrazda,
_ me Tqveni naTesavi var, daxmareba
minda, ar mendobi da ra xdebao?!
me isev uari vuTxari, _ Zmas
ver vukavSirdebi, 9 saaTze gavida
da 11 saaTia, jer isev ar Cans,
sanam Tavad ar damirekavs, pasports
ar gagatanT-meTqi. _ kargi.
waval da vecdebi, Sens Zmas dagalaparakoo,
_ miTxra policielma.
cota xanSi mirekavs ucnobi
nomeri, Cemi Zmis xma ki gavigone,
magram ver vicani. ramdenjerme
CavekiTxe, _ namdvilad Sen xarmeTqi?
razedac gabrazebulma
mipasuxa, _ rasac geubnebian, is
gaakeTeo da Tan Caaxvela. es iyo
niSani imisa, rom is safrTxeSi
imyofeboda.
me vifiqre, radgan policieli
Cveni naTesavia, Cems Zmas exmareba-meTqi.
isic ki miTxres, rom
Cems Zmas „ocneba” emuqreboda,
misi mokvla undodaT da policia
exmarebao. dedaCemis dabrunebis
Semdeg mTeli Ramis ganmavlobaSi
vrekavdiT Cemi Zmis
nomrebze, magram mas yvela telefoni
gamorTuli hqonda. diliT
mezoblebi Semovidnen, kiTxvebs
gvisvamdnen, _ levani sadaao? magram
Cven araferi vicodiT. amasobaSi
gairkva, rom goga Jvania
da beJan gunava Camovidnen ninowmindaSi,
Cems Zmas eZebdnen, mitingic
ki moawyves.
imave Rames CvenTan movidnen,
karis Semomtvrevac undodaT,
policiac movida, _ sadaa Tqveni
Svilio? magram es iyo speqtakli.
roca Cems Zmas scemdnen, mTeli
policia iq iyo. mogvianebiT, Cemi
Zma ambobda, rom policiis ufrosi
arsen petrosiani adgilze imyofeboda,
marTalia, is piradad
ar scemda, magram iqve idga da
yvelafers uyurebda.
dedaCemma policias hkiTxa, _
sadaa Cemi Svili, ra daaSava, miTxariTo?
magram aravin araferi
gviTxra. ubralod, agvixsnes, rom
Cemma Zmam raRac daaSava da ainteresebdaT,
saxlSi iyo Tu ara.
Cveni protestis mere, rom qalebsa
da bavSvebs gvaSinebdnen, policielebi
wavidnen. maT ainteresebdaT,
vicodiT Tu ara momxdarze.
_ rodis gaigeT simarTle?
_ simarTle gavigeT meore
diliT, roca saxlSi mezoblebi
movidnen. erTma naTesavma, romelmac
mTxova, misi vinaoba ar
damesaxelebina, miTxra, rom Cemi
Zma somxeTis mimarTulebiT waiyvanes.
meore diliT isev movidnen
policielebi da raRac dokumentebi
moitanes. radgan qarTuli
ar viciT, maT gviTxres, rom xeli
unda mogvewera dokumentebze,
TiTqos Cemi Zma nebayoflobiT
rogor mokles
`qarTuli
ocnebis~ aqtivisti
2012 wels da ra
kavSiri aqvs
mkvlelobasTan
enzel mkoians?
wavida somxeTSi. sinamdvileSi,
sul sxva rames gveubnebodnen.
Cvenma naTesavma gagvafrTxila,
rom xeli araferze mogvewera.
amis mere Cemma Zmam Tavad dagvireka
somxuri nomriT. rodesac
is somxeTSi gadaiyvanes, pasporti
waarTves, rom ukan veRar dabrunebuliyo.
Cemma Zmam miTxra,
rom aravis ndoba ar SeiZleboda,
radgan mas da mTel Cvens ojaxs
uTvalTvalebdnen. am zaris mere
CvenTan isev is naTesavi policieli
movida, _ diana, levans sxva
nomeri xom ar aqvs, saidanac
girekavs, iqneb, es nomeri me momce,
rom mas dabrunebaSi davexmaroo.
magram am momentisTvis
Cems Zmas ukve gafrTxilebuli
vyavdi da mas nomeri davumale.
somxeTidan levanma fotoebi
gamoagzavna, Cemi Zma sastikad iyo
nacemi. fotoebi mitanili gvaqvs
prokuraturaSi, magram gveubnebian,
rom enzel mkoiani deputatia
da misi dakiTxvis ufleba
ar aqvT. roca Cemi Zma gaitaces
da SenobaSi Seiyvanes, mas zurgidan
TavSi Sampanuris boTli
Caartyes da igi waiqca. es iyo hamlet
nanaiani. Semdeg ocdaaTi kaci
wixlebiT Sedga da scema. erTaderTi,
rac moaswro, xelebiT
Tavi daifara, rom TavSi wixlebi
ar moxvedroda, guli misdioda,
wyliT asulierebdnen da xelaxla
scemdnen, roca gons modioda.
_ saidan iciT, rom Tqveni Zmis
cemaSi enzel mkoiani monawile-
obda?
_ Cemma Zmam Tavad moyva, rom
im momentSi, roca mas sastikad
scemdnen, enzel mkoiani iqve iyo
da wixlebiT scemda mas Tavis
TanamzraxvelebTan erTad. enzel
mkoianTan iyvnen samvel iritiani,
policiis ufrosi arsen petrosiani,
romelic axla kandidatia,
kostia varTaniani _ enzelis
dacvis TanamSromeli. bolo momentSi,
roca enzel mkoianma iaraRi
amoiRo, rom Cemi Zma moekla,
policiis ufrosma arsen petrosianma
SeaCera, _ cema sakmarisia,
ar moklao. ar misca mokvlis
ufleba, magram rogorc mere gavige,
mas gadasces, rom „ocnebis”
wevrebi axalcixeSi iyvnen Camosulebi
da amitomac ver gabedes
Cemi Zmis mokvla. am momentSi
Camoacves Tavze tomara da somxeTis
sabaJos mimarTulebiT waiyvanes,
rom sastikad nacemi aravis
enaxa. yvela foto ara mxolod
prokuraturaSi mivitaneT, aramed
e. w. fleSkazea Cawerili. goga
Jvaniasac miveci, magram rogorc
miTxra, is „fleSka” daikarga.
_ rodis dabrunda Tqveni Zma
saqarTveloSi?
_ mas Semdeg, rac „ocnebam” ar-
Cevnebi moigo, Cemi Zma saqarTveloSi
dabrunda, axalcixeSi Camovida
da yvelaferi momiyva, _
rac gaviare da vnaxe, aqamde megona,
mxolod kinoebSi Tu xdeboda,
magram, rogorc Cans, Tavad
cxovrebaa kinoo. vkiTxe, _ levan,
ra moxda aseTi-meTqi? mipasuxa, _
xSirad Tu xedav erTsa da imave
saxeebs, romlebic gzaze gxvdebian?
rogorc mivxvdi, mas CveniT
emuqrebodnen. amis Semdeg mkacrad
gamafrTxila, _ diana, yovel
15 wuTSi damireke, rom miTxra,
kargad xaro. misi cemidan erTi
Tve iyo gasuli, magram saxesa da
xelebze iarebi isev etyoboda,
Caqcevebi hqonda Tirkmlis are-
Si. Cemi Zmis dabrunebis Semdeg
enzel mkoiani da misi banda Zalian
SeSinebuli iyo. Cemma Zmam maT
gamoucxada, rac dammarTeT, arasodes
gapatiebTo. erTi maTgani
saxlidan gvian RamiT gamoiyvana,
_ 30-ma kacma rom mcemeT, icodeT,
aravis arafers gapatiebTo!
amis mere Cems Zmas avtoavaria
SeemTxva, _ Tbilisidan ninowmindaSi
brundeboda. mas mudmivad
uTvalTvalebdnen, avtomanqana
daajaxes, saswaulebrivad gadaurCa
sikvdils, avariis mere ki
miTxra, rom is mowamles da kidec
ganmimarta, rom es enzel mkoianma
moawyo. Cemi Zmis enzels Zalian
eSinoda, radgan icoda, rom is piradad
icnobda biZina ivaniSvils,
ramdenjerme Sexvda mas da SeeZlo.
simarTle eTqva misTvis, rac
CvenTan xdeboda, amitomac enzelma
is Tavidan moiSora. Cveni
am saubris mere Cemi Zma or dRe-
Si mokvda. eqspertizam pirvelad
daskvnaSi Cawera, rom Cemi Zma iyo
mowamluli. sanam vglovobdiT,
meore eqspertiza Caatares da
gardacvalebis mizezad Trombi
daasaxeles. „aramiancSi” analizebis
pasuxebi moviTxove, magram
aravin araferia gvaCvena. iurists
dauZaxes, romelmac miTxra, rom
aranairi problema analizebSi ar
iyo, magram, aba, rogor, roca Cemi
Zma 90 kg.-s iwonida da oc dReSi
40 kg. darCa? mas mere vcxovrobT
SiSSi, magram gadawyvetili maqvs,
rom bolomde vibrZolo. Cemi Zmis
mkvlelebis dasasjelad minda,
biZina ivaniSvils mivawvdino xma
da Sevaxseno misi erTguli TanamebrZolis,
levan vardanianis
Sesaxeb, romelic mxolod imitom
moiSora Tavidan enzel mkoianma,
rom „qarTuli ocnebis” gamarjvebisTvis
ibrZoda. Cemi Zmis mkvlelobis
saqme am dromde gamouZiebelia
da mkvlelebi Tavisuflad
dadian.
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