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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comìvaniSvilma kobaxiZearCevnebamde erTi TviT adregiorgi abaSiZepolitikuri ara, magram ekonomikuriprocesebi dramatulad vi-Tardeba, anu erovnuli valuta TiTqmis yoveldRe ufasurd-eba da Tu ase gagrZelda, SesaZloa, isec moxdes, rom 31 oq-tombers, anu arCevnebis dRes, erTi amerikuli dolari 4.1laric ki Rirdes. amis paralelurad, qveyanaSi epidviTare-bac rTuldeba da saqme iqamdec ki mivida, rom ramdenime dRiswin msoflios koronarukaze saqarTvelom mwvane statusidakarga da e. w. yviTel zonaSi gadavida. sxvaTa Soris, xelisuflebaambobs, rom kovidinficirebulTa matebis miuxe-davad, sagangaSo araferia, magram nebismieri Cvengani xvdeba,rom is sayovelTao aRtaceba, rac koronobis pirvel talRasaxlda, TiTidan iyo gamowovili, anu koronas meore talRamdagvanaxa, rom xelisuflebis kargi krizismenejeroba Cveu-lebrivi sapnis buSti yofila da meti araferi.ratom gaeqca „ocnebas” koronasmarTvis sadaveebi? _ albaT,mova dro da am Temaze kompetenturiadamianebi ufro argumentirebuladisaubreben. manamdeki politikuri moZraoba „tribunis”warmomadgeneli, kote kemularia,ambobs, rom koronavirusi,romelic, Tavis droze, „ocnebis”mokavSired miiCneoda, axlaxelisuflebisTvis Wirad iqca.sxvaTa Soris, Cveni respondentierT skandalur gancxadebasacakeTebs, anu kote kemularia„qronika+”-s eubneba, rom ramdenimedReSi „ocnebis” regionuliliderebis mxilebas daiwyebs dasazogadoebas maTze xmaurianmasalebs gaacnobs.visze da ra masalebs gamoaqveynebs„tribunis” warmomadgeneli?_ amas ramdenime dReSigavigebT, manamde ki kote kemulariaCvens gamocemasTan interviuSisxvadasxva sociologiurkvlevas afasebs da ambobs, rom imSemTxvevaSi, Tu „ocneba” xelisuflebaSidarCenas mesame vadiTacdaapirebs, maSin movlenebi Sesa-Zloa, 2003 wlis noembris anukrainis „meidnis” scenariT ganviTardes.vin gajora kobaxiZe da ramoxdeba 31 oqtombers? _ „qron-ika+” gTavazobT intervius kotekemulariasTan:_ batono kote, arCevnebamdeTveze naklebia darCenili. sxvadasxvaorganizacia kvlevas kvlevazeaqveynebs, magram miTx-ariT, Tqveni prognozi rogoria_ 31 oqtombers ra moxdeba?_ prognozamde mocemulobazevisaubroT, anu garkveuli siaxleebia._ ras gulisxmobT?_ „ocnebac” da „nacionalebic”,romlebic arCevnebis mTavarmonawileebs eZaxian Tavs, 31 oqtomberssakmaod daZabulebixvdebian, radgan orive gundisSigniT raRac iseTi viTarebaa._ kerZod?_ regionebSi xalxTan mudmivikontaqti gvaqvs da „ocnebis”yofili wevrebi Zalian ukmayofiloniarian. isini CvenTan, anu„tribunaSi” arcTu cota raodenobiTgadmovidnen. am adamianebsRirseba SenarCunebuli aqvT dafiqroben, rom qveyanaSi iseTiviTareba araa, rasac uflebebisdacva, progresi da ganviTarebahqvia. mokled, es xalxi cdilobs,urTierToba im politikur ZalebTandaamyaros, romelsac mxolodsazogadoebasTan misasvlelipiri ki ara, imis resursicaqvs, rom qveyana ganaviTaros.mokled, xalxi Zvel partiebstovebs._ anu, batono kote, imas am-bobT, rom xalxi „nacionalurmoZraobasac” tovebs?_ diax. sxvaTa Soris, axlaraRacebs vazusteb da ramdenimedReSi presasTan konkretulifaqtebiT vilaparakeb, Tu ramdgomareobaa, magaliTad, samegreloSi._ mainc, ra viTarebaa?_ yofili xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebidRes ise pozicionireben,rogorc „ocnebis”wevrebi. metic, mmarTveli partiacdilobs, es adamianebi mamaabraamis batknebad warmoaCinos,magram ori-sami dRe macadeT daam viTom mama abraamis batknebzesrul simarTles warmogidgenT!_ adamianebi, romelTa mxile-basac gegmavT, „ocnebis” rigiTiwevrebi arian?_ ara, Zalian maRali rangispoziciebi ukaviaT._ sainteresoa, Tumca amismiuxedavad, yvela kvleviT, „oc-neba” arCevnebs igebs, „tribuna”ki reitingebSi saerTod araa._ „tribuna” reitingebSi verciqneba, radgan yvelam viciT, esreitingebi rogorc tardeba,Tumca gamokiTxvebs Cvenc vatarebTda Zalian kargad viciT,ra viTarebacaa. ise, ar vambob,yofil da axlandel saxelisuflebopartiebs reitingi saer-Tod ar aqvT-meTqi, magram, magaliTad,„ocnebis” reitingi, TugaxsovT, 70-ze meti iyo, axla ki21-25 procentia._ SeiZleba, Tumca mamuka mdi-naraZe acxadebs, rom „ocneba”arCevnebSi xmebis 60 procentzemets aiRebs..._ mdinaraZeze drosac ardavkargav da rasac ambobs, missindis-namusze iyos. sxvaTa Soris,kobaxiZem, Tavis droze, daviTnarmanias gamarjveba miuloca,magram aRmoCnda, rom meoreturi iyo da amis gamo uxerxulmdgomareobaSi Cavarda. mdinara-Zeebi, kobaxiZeebi da xaindravebisalomesac TaigulebiT miadgnen,kote kemularia:òri-sami dRemacadeT daòcnebis~ mamaabraamis batknebzesrul simarTlesgaigebT!~magram aqac aRmoCnda, rom es gamarjvebacblefi iyo da saprezidentoarCevnebSic meore turidainiSna. wesiT, sazogadoebasisic unda axsovdes, kobaxiZemrom Tqva, 50 procentsac vermovagrovebTo, magram mere scemes_ saxeze raRacebi etyobodada zustad erT dReSi sakuTarinaTqvami gadaTqva._ kobaxiZes vin scema?_ biZina ivaniSvilma, Tumcacemas gadataniTi mniSvnelobiTvambob, anu kobaxiZe seriozuladgajores da es unamuso kaci meoredRes gamovarda, _ ras`sxvaTa Soris, kobaxiZem, Tavis droze, daviTnarmanias gamarjveba miuloca, magram aRmoCnda,rom meore turi iyo da amis gamo uxerxulmdgomareobaSi Cavarda. mdinaraZeebi,kobaxiZeebi da xaindravebi salomesacTaigulebiT miadgnen, magram aqac aRmoCnda,rom es gamarjvebac blefi iyo da saprezidentoarCevnebSic meore turi dainiSna. wesiT,sazogadoebas isic unda axsovdes, kobaxiZem romTqva, 50 procentsac ver movagrovebTo, magrammere scemes - saxeze raRacebi etyoboda dazustad erT dReSi sakuTari naTqvami gadaTqva~laparakobT, „ocnebas” 62-procentiaqvso... „ocnebis” warmomadgenlebsarc namusi aqvT dasazogadoebis winaSe arc pasuxismgeblobasgrZnoben. erT dReserTs amboben, meore dRes ki _meores, radgan ase avaleben. amitommaTze saubarSi dro ardavkargoT... sxvaTa Soris, igivegamokiTxvebidan Cans, rom sazogadoebis58 procenti ar ambobs,xmas vis aZlevs. es adamianebi„ocnebis” mxardamWerebi romiyvnen, amis Sesaxeb, cxadia, iyvirebdnenda xelisuflebis winaSeTavs moiwonebdnen, magram faqtia,sazogadoebis es nawili „ocnebas”xmas ar aZlevs._ SeiZleba, magram amomrCev-lis is nawili, romelic sakuTarpolitikur simpaTias xmamaRlaar afiqsirebs, ratom ggoniaT,rom maincdamainc „tribunas”miscems xmas?_ es arc me mgonia. ubralod,imas vambob, rom es amomrCeveliopoziciis mxardamWeria daswored arCevnebamde darCenilerT TveSi gadawydeba, es adamianebiromel opoziciur partiasmiscemen xmas. saerTod, namdvilisaarCevno kampania axla iwyeba da31 oqtombramde darCenil erTTveSi politikosebma xelebdakapiwebulebmaunda viSromoT _ amomrCevlebsSevxvdeT, maTi moTxovnebiTu survilebi movisminoTda Cveni samoqmedo gegmac sworedamis mixedviT SevadginoT!ise, politikosebi iseT raRacebslaparakoben, rac mxolod logikaSiki ara, saarCevno samarTal-Sic ar jdeba. ai, magaliTad, amboben,erTianebi unda viyoTo,magram Cven konkurentebi varTda azri ar aqvs, amomrCevlisndobis mopovebas vcdilobdeT,anu imis damalvas, Tu vinme armogvwons, maT Soris, opoziciidanac.Tu amas davmalavT, aragulwrfeliTamaSi gamova, racxalxisTvis Zalian advili Sesam-Cnevia. aseT aragulwrfelobazewasvla ki politikaSi TviTmkvlelobistolfasia.erTi sityviT, politikosebigulwrfelebi unda viyoT daxalxs Cveni profesionalizmi Tugamocdileba davanaxoT. diax,mosaxleobas ar unda davumaloT,rom misi fuli mevaxSeeebs, mikrosafinansoorganizaciebsa damaT ukan mdgar bankebs aqvT miTvisebulida es fuli ukan undadabrundes! xalxs isic unda vu-TxraT, rom Cveni qveynis, ase vTqvaT,sakontrolo paketi ram-1414 N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comseriozulad gajora!~denime komerciuli bankis xelSia,magram maTi socialuri pasuxismgebloba,praqtikulad, nulia,anu komerciuli bankebi xalxzeki ara, mxolod sakuTar mogebazezrunaven. Cven swored es usamarTlobaunda gavasworoT! Tuase ar moxdeba, maSin saxelmwifoaRar gveqneba, radgan xazinaSiaaraferia, erovnuli banki mxolodkomerciul bankebzemuSaobs _ erTmaneTTan garigebuliarian. Sesabamisad, garedanSemosuli nasesxebi fulic komerciulbankebSi ideba da xalxi,mapatieT da, xaxamSrali rCeba!_ batono kote, komerciulibankebis mxileba „tribunis”,rogorc ityvian, mTavarisaarCevno „fiSkaa”, magram mx-olod am TemiT xalxs rogordaarwmunebT, rom xelisuflebaSesacvlelia?_ normalur viTarebaSi qveynisekonomikis, maqsimum, 25 procentiori komerciuli bankisxelSi unda iyos, magram dRes amkomerciul bankebs qveynisekonomikis lamis 65 procentzemeti ukanonod aqvs miTvisebuli,rac paTologiaa _ rogor Sei-Zleba, qveynisa da xalxis amxelaqoneba da kapitali komerciulibankebis xelSi iyos?! yvelafersTavi rom davaneboT, xalxisganamoRebuli fuli, e. w. dagrovebiTipensia, romelic 560 milionia,komerciul bankebSi devs, racarajansaRia. qveyanas saxelmwifosadazRveo kompaniac ki ar gaaCnia,rom pensiebi daazRvios dakomerciulma bankma moxucebi argaRlitos. mokled, Cven balansssasamarTlos meSveobiT gava-TanabrebT da saxelmwifo qonebis,minimum, 55 procenti saxelmwifosvedaubrundeba. saerTod,saxelmwifos politikuri movaleobaxalxze zrunvaa. amis Semdeglaparaki pensiebis garomagebazecSeiZleba da mosaxleobisdarRveuli uflebebis aRdgenac!_ batono kote, yvelaferi esgasagebia, magram sxva rames gekiTxebiT,anu 2012 wlis ms-gavsad, sazogadoebas dResacaqvs ganwyoba, rom xelisuflebaaucileblad unda Seicvalos?sxvaTa Soris, analitikosTa nawiliambobs, Tuki opozicia erTmaneTTankinklaobas gaagr-Zelebs, „ocnebas” safrTxe aremqureba da xelisuflebaSi me-same vadiTac darCebao..._ simarTle giTxraT, ar vici,amis Tqma romel analitikossmouvida azrad. igive ucxouriorganizaciebis gamokiTxvebiT,mosaxleobis 76 procenti xelisuflebisSecvlas araTuelodeba, aramed, iTxovs! amasTan,70 procentze meti miiCnevs, romsaxelmwifo araswori gziT vi-Tardeba. aqedan gamomdinare, Znelimisaxvedri araa, xalxis ganwyobarogoria, magram weRandeliTqmisa ar iyos, opoziciamarCevnebi raRac erTiani siiT kiar unda moigos, aramed TiToeuliopoziciuri Zala, da aseTi`Tu realurad vimsjelebT, òcnebis~ reitingi, maqsimum, 26-27 procentia. escifri ki ar moimatebs, piriqiT, daiklebs, magram mmarTveli partiisreitingi 30-is farglebSic rom darCes, erTi analitikosic ki, sul romWorvilidan biZinas biZaSvili iyos, ver ityvis, es reitingi òcnebas~saparlamento umravlesobisTvis, anu 76 mandatisTvis eyofao~bevrni varT, amomrCevelTan undamivides da daarwmunos, rom sxvadasxvaopoziciuri ZalisTvismicemul xmebs, saboloo jamSi,xelisuflebis Secvla mohyveba!ai, es gzaa swori da is, vinc ambobs,rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSimesame vadiTac darCeba,analitikosi ki ara, biZinas daqiravebulia!politikaSi sakmaoddidi gamocdileba maqvs da, me TumkiTxavT, opozicia axla sworgzaze dgas, anu imas ki ar undavelodoT, rom raRac jgufuriaRlumebi gveqneba, aramed pasuxismgeblobaTiToeulma unda avi-RoT da adamianebi davarwmunoT,rom xelisufleba aucilebladunda Seicvalos, ris SemdegaciseTi mTavroba da xelisuflebagveyoleba, romelic xalxiswinaSe pasuxismgebeli iqneba._ sxvaTa Soris, mixeil saakaSvilic,praqtikulad, amas ambobs,anu erT-erTi bolo gamosvlisaseqsprezidentma ganacxa-da, aranairi koalicia, axalimTavroba mTlianad „nacionalurmamoZraobam” unda daako-mpleqtoso._ me amas ar vambob._ aba, ras ambobT, batonokote?_ yvelaferi arCevnebis Sedegebzeiqneba damokidebuli._ diax, mesmis, Tumca isiccnobilia, rom „tribuna” arapirebs, koaliciuri mTavroba„nacebs” an „qocebs” Seuqmnas..._ ki batono, asea._ hoda, TqvenTvis ra mniS-vneloba aqvs, koaliciisTvisxmebi romel politikur Zalasdaakldeba?_ axla yvela partia imisTvisibrZvis, rom xmebis maqsimaluriraodenoba miiRos. sxva rameze kiarCevnebis damTavrebis SemdegvilaparakoT..._ keTili, es Tema arCevnebisSemdeg ganvavrcoT, magramiziarebT Tu ara mosazrebas,rom „nacionalebisa” da Tundac„evrosaqebis” kinklaoba „ocneb-is” saarCevno wisqvilze asxamswyals?_ Cemi mxridan sxva partiebissurvilebis komentireba arc koreqtuliiqneba da arc _ Sedegismomtani, magram roca erTic`rogor SeiZleba, qveynisa da xalxis amxelaqoneba da kapitali komerciuli bankebis xelSiiyos?! yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,xalxisgan amoRebuli fuli, e. w. dagrovebiTipensia, romelic 560 milionia, komerciulbankebSi devs, rac arajansaRia. qveyanassaxelmwifo sadazRveo kompaniac ki ar gaaCnia,rom pensiebi daazRvios da komerciulma bankmamoxucebi ar gaRlitos. mokled, Cven balansssasamarTlos meSveobiT gavaTanabrebT dasaxelmwifo qonebis, minimum, 55 procentisaxelmwifosve daubrundeba~da meorec amtkicebs, mTavarivaro, es „Suas gakrefis” poziciada, vfiqrob, fuWi mcdelobaa._ ratom?_ wina arCevnebisgan gansxvavebiT,axla politikaSi sami velia._ anu?_ 1. xelisufleba, 2. e. w. mTavariopozicia, rogorc zemoxsenebulipartiebi sakuTar TavseZaxian da 3. opozicia, romelic,realurad, adamianis uflebebisTvisibrZvis da sakuTar Tavsarc „nacebSi” xedavs da arc _„ocnebaSi”._ batono kote, CamizusteT:„nacmoZraoba” da „evropulisaqarTvelo” joxis erT bolodmigaCniaT Tu ara?_ amaze verafers getyviT.jobia, amis Taobaze maT hkiTxoT,Tumca informaciam gamoJona,rom parlamentis momaval Tavmjdomarezemolaparakebebs awarmoebdnenda aqedan daskvnas amomrCeveligaakeTebs._ da mainc, batono kote, Tukiise moxda, rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSidarCenas mesame vadi-Tac gadawyvets da 31 oqtombersTavs gamarjvebulad gamo-acxadebs, Tqveni azriT, pirveloqtombers, anu arCevnebis meoredRes, ra moxdeba?_ vxedavT, rom iseTi avtoritetulida miukerZoebeli saer-TaSoriso organizaciebis gamokiTxviT,rogoric, magaliTad, „endiai”Tu „airaia”, „qarTuli ocnebis”reitingi 30-procentisfarglebSia. sxvaTa Soris, es kvlevebimaSinaa Catarebuli, rocapandemiis Sedegebi garTulebuliar iyo. axla ki jandacva, praqtikulad,CamoSlilia da „ocnebas”korona Wirad eqca. Cemi informaciiT,gamokvlevebis savelesamuSaoebi axlac tardeba._ sxva rame gkiTxeT da, ukac-ravad, es ra SuaSia?_ mokled, imis Tqma minda, romTu realurad vimsjelebT, „ocnebis”reitingi, maqsimum, 26-27procentia. es cifri ki ar moimatebs,piriqiT, daiklebs, magrammmarTveli partiis reitingi 30-is farglebSic rom darCes, erTianalitikosic ki, sul rom WorvilidanbiZinas biZaSvili iyos,ver ityvis, es reitingi „ocnebas”saparlamento umravlesobisTvis,anu 76 mandatisTvis eyofao.arc is dagvaviwydes, rom sakonstituciocvlilebebiT proporciularCevnebSi, ase vTqvaT,sakontrolo paketi 40 procentia.hoda, „ocneba” am 40 procentsver moagrovebs._ es Teoriulad, magram, da-vuSvaT, mmarTvelma gundmaarCevnebi totalurad gaayalbada Tavi gamarjvebulad gamoacx-ada. ai, amis Semdeg ra xdeba?_ amis Semdeg is moxdeba, rac2003 wels saqarTveloSi an, Tavisdroze, ukrainasa da mezobelsomxeTSi moxda._ anu revolucia?_ roca sakuTar xalxs konstutucias,strategiul partniorebs,maT Soris, aSS-s mis mierCatarebul kvlevebs Tavze axev,imas miiReb, rasac aseT drosRebuloben xolme _ sanqciebiiqneba!_ movlenebis am scenariT gan-viTareba realuria?_ yvela saerTaSoriso organizaciaambobs, rom 31 oqtombrisarCevnebi testi iqneba, saqarTveloSidemokratia gagrZeldebaTu ara. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu amtests ver Caabarebs, Zneli gamosacnobiaraa, rom am xelisuflebasZalian mZime momavali elis!_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqne-ba, magram im fonze, roca larirekordulad ufasurdeba dasocialuri fonic mZimdeba, 31oqtombramde xalxi rogor mi-aRwevs?_ imis Sesaxeb, ra gamosavalic31 oqtombris Semdegaa, ukve visaubreT_ saxelmwifom is saxsrebi,romelic gaflangulia, undadaibrunos da sakuTar moqalaqeebzefiqri daiwyos. rac Seexeba imnabijebs, romlebic 31-mde undagadaidgas, Tu „ocnebaSi” vinmeWkviani mainc aris, imaze unda ifiqros,rom am erT TveSi soflismeurneobis produqtebis gadamuSavebadaiwyos. dRes Cven Tavidanbolomde imaze varT damokidebuli,rom saWmeli ucxoeTidanSemovitanoT. xorblis SemotanacmTlianad ruseTs miabes...pandemia mxolod CvenTan ki ara,mTel msoflioSia da, Sesabamisad,produqtebi yvelagan Zvirdeba.Cven ki mxolod muSaxeli ki argyavs, aramed miwac gvaqvs da wyalic,rom saWmeli vawarmooT.amitom sakvebi prduqtebis warmoebaxvalidanve unda daiwyos,magram mTeli parlamenti da mTavroba_ Ss ministris moadgilexaniSvilidan dawyebuli TurnavaTidamTavrebuli, importislobistebiTaa savse da ar undaT,rom kitri, kartofili Tu pomidorisaqarTveloSi modiodes. ai,swored amis gamosworeba undadaviwyoT da maragebi SevqmnaT, magram,samwuxarod, es amaT TavSi arSedis da am ekonomikuri krizisisdaZlevas xalxisTvis 200 larisdarigebiT cdiloben. arada, yvelavxvdebiT, rom es krizisi fulisdarigebiT ver daiZleva!N22 (324) 29.09-.05.10.2020 w.15
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