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PIA ARKE: Nature Morte alias Perlustrationer 1‐10, 1994<br />

guilt and shame of this history. And I guess I would like to<br />

ask, in response to Irit’s point on Danish brand and identity<br />

- what does this shame and guilt consist of?<br />

Irit Rogoff (IR): What I was trying to think about is maybe<br />

slightly different. It has to do with part of the nation, which<br />

means consciousness of one’s self and it often has to do<br />

with precisely setting limits and then the intensification of<br />

what happens within it. I was thinking, while looking at the<br />

photograph, that it looks too much like the Wild West. It<br />

borders <strong>Den</strong>mark, but it is so many many miles away. The<br />

frontiers that limit the horizon to one’s nation, and the fact<br />

that it is connected to adventure and exploration, also represents<br />

a kind of a liberation of the stuffiness of an overcoded<br />

and over-restricted bourgeois life, which is what the<br />

Wild West is. So it seems to me that t<strong>her</strong>e is a whole set<br />

of relations that one needs to think about in terms of how<br />

it is constituted <strong>her</strong>e. I was also thinking about the fact<br />

that every year we have quite a number of students from<br />

<strong>Den</strong>mark at Goldsmiths College in one of our programmes,<br />

and they have a very strong investment in cosiness - something<br />

we find very difficult to understand and engage with<br />

critically. So if the frontier is that far away, how does that<br />

constitute the whole nation in terms of cosiness, domesticity,<br />

interiority and so on? It seems to me in the mutuality of<br />

those relations, geographically in terms of consciousness,<br />

that t<strong>her</strong>e is an enormous amount to think about.<br />

MJ: I would like to ask Carsten about his talk on artistic research.<br />

Is it something you connect with in the artist’s work<br />

in particular? Does it spring from that?<br />

Carsten Juhl (CJ): Yes, to a certain degree. I had wondered<br />

about it when I wrote a book on global aesthetics and world<br />

feelings. When doing that, I thought t<strong>her</strong>e was some kind of<br />

dialogue going on, also because we had some major prob-<br />

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