You Are Not Book.indb - Stephen H. Wolinsky Ph. D.

The Veil of the Concept of the Gunas / 109
Wolinsky: Now, when it condenses down, does it become
more solid, and dense, or does it become more
formless?
Student: Formless but very thick, like mud, very thick mud
that calls you back and sucks you back, then you
lose your form completely. You reach it and you
don’t care, full of troubles, questions.
Wolinsky: Now, the concept called “my” consciousness,
which believes in the concept called I am, which
believes in the concept called inertia and being
sucked back into this muddy lazy sleepy, thick
mud thing, by the I am concept, and the “my”
consciousness concept, believing in all of these
other concepts, what have been the consequences
for the concept called “my” consciousness?
Student: Loss of alertness because if you are sucked back
totally you disappear, also some moral things
come up like in the Christian or New Age, it is
not okay to be so lazy and so formless, you have
to react, you have to stop it, you should go out,
and be alive again, and go out again, it is one
moral principle and one also physiological in
the sense of loss of alertness, I have to stop this,
I don’t have to react anymore, I die.
Wolinsky: This condensing process also resists the condensing
process by trying to be more active and alive
comes out of this too? That goes on too?
Student: Yes, on all sides, it is like an incredible pulling.
Wolinsky: So, intentionally, very slowly, with awareness,
condense down, into this muddy, formlessness,
and then resist it.
Student: Resistance is there.