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Arbeit macht frei: - Fredrick Töben

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MR PERKINS: And what do you say as to why it was that you chose to<br />

use that form?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: To point out that, for example, Marcus Einfeld, who was sick,<br />

did not receive any indulgence. He was sent to prison, and now there’s<br />

Richard Pratt, and now there’s here am I. It is a mere questioning of that –<br />

our cases do reflect what is going on in the court, what is going on in a<br />

judge’s mind. That for me is an important thing, and that will reflect<br />

Australia’s justice system, how these difficult cases are handled by judges.<br />

It’s not an easy task.<br />

MR PERKINS: You asked the question on the document: What does this<br />

tell us about Australia’s justice system?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: Indeed. That’s the future, the developments of these cases.<br />

For example, the Einfeld case clearly illustrated that there was no<br />

remission given, as such, for his prostate cancer. He had a similar<br />

problem. He has faced similar problems. Now, Richard Pratt here is close<br />

to death. I just found that it’s interesting how – or the problems the judges<br />

have in deciding these cases. It’s very, very difficult. And as I maintain that<br />

we are still in a common law country, where we can speak freely, and<br />

openly, where thoughts are not criminalised, where we are free to<br />

speculate, and hypothesise.<br />

MR PERKINS: Dr Toben, in the affidavit which was filed today you<br />

related that you were given certain advice about apologising for what his<br />

Honour has found to be contempt of court, and you apologised?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: Indeed.<br />

MR MARGO: Is there anything about that apology that you don’t stand<br />

by?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: It is an unequivocal apology. This is why I’m rather amazed<br />

that this item was brought into court this morning, because I cannot see – I<br />

cannot understand why I’m not allowed to ask questions, express my<br />

doubt about these things. I cannot – I cannot follow this. It is not a<br />

wilfulness, it is accepting your authority, your Honour, but I cannot<br />

understand why Mr Jones feels offended, or says that this is an offence. I<br />

cannot understand that. I’m asking questions. I don’t understand that.<br />

MR PERKINS: Now, Dr Toben, in the next paragraph of the affidavit<br />

which was filed today, you accepted, did you not, that a failure to adhere<br />

to, and comply scrupulously with orders of the Federal Court of Australia<br />

undermines the entire system of – the entire judicial system; is that true?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: Indeed. And I would be the last one to challenge the system.<br />

MR PERKINS: If your Honour pleases.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Thank you, Mr Perkins. Yes, Mr Margo?<br />

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