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Arbeit macht frei: - Fredrick Töben

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Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: Mr Margo, I’m under legal advice now. I don’t make decisions<br />

any more, Mr Margo. I have not been able to meet your legal thrustings<br />

satisfactorily – to my satisfaction, because I cannot defend myself legally.<br />

It’s been going on for 15 years, Mr Margo.<br />

MR MARGO: And you said that you have no money, but you’ve travelled<br />

extensively, and you maintain a website and presumably pay the people<br />

who put it on service; where does that money come from?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: As indicated to – I think I meant to your Honour, when we –<br />

when you asked to have a look at the bank accounts. It was stated that I<br />

receive donations. I could not travel if individuals, or NGOs, nongovernment<br />

organisations, didn’t invite me to speak – to address them.<br />

For example, a lot politically is made of this matter of my going to Iran.<br />

They pay – it’s not the government that pays, it’s the NGOs, the institutes<br />

that get me – the universities, they pay for the trip, and keep – I do not get<br />

charged – I do not get paid for my talking. It’s board and keep.<br />

MR MARGO: And the reason that they invite you and pay your expenses<br />

is because you publish on your website material which challenges what you<br />

describe as the Holocaust myth; that’s true, isn’t it?<br />

HIS HONOUR: I disallow that question, because he can’t know that –<br />

the answer to that. He can’t know what’s in the mind of someone else.<br />

MR MARGO: Well, the reason – I will withdraw the question. Your<br />

Honour has disallowed it.<br />

HIS HONOUR: You can ask me to – you can ask me to infer that, but he<br />

can’t answer that unequivocally.<br />

MR MARGO: Dr Toben, the people who invite you are people who<br />

agree with the views you express on your website about the Holocaust, are<br />

they not?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: Oh, no, no. No. Not only, Mr Margo, because in the Middle<br />

East the prime focus is on the Palestinian issue, on the Palestinian<br />

problem, and these institutes focus on how to solve it. And …<br />

MR MARGO: Sorry, I understand that it may not be exclusively for that<br />

reason, but it’s the case, isn’t it, that some of the invitations – or some of<br />

the reasons for any invitation are because of your views on the Holocaust?<br />

MR PERKINS: I object?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: I would prefer to say Holocaust Shoah.<br />

MR PERKINS: I object?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: I would prefer to say Holocaust Shoah, because that is quite<br />

specifically …<br />

MR MARGO: Thank you?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: I know what I’m talking about.<br />

MR PERKINS: Your Honour …<br />

MR MARGO: I take it the answer is yes.<br />

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