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8-<strong>25</strong>-<strong>04</strong> <strong>Trial</strong> <strong>Transcript</strong><br />

2 they went by and they were shooting into the university.<br />

3 Q. I'm sorry, when you say "security forces," were the<br />

4 National Police part of the security forces?<br />

5 A. Yes.<br />

6 Q. And why were they shooting?<br />

7 A. They would do this, this shooting would normally be done<br />

8 when there was some sort of student manifestation of some<br />

9 sort, and that's how I found out about Monseñor.<br />

10 Q. How specifically did you find out?<br />

11 A. Okay. After the shooting, when everybody hit the floor<br />

12 and was there for about ten minutes, after about ten minutes,<br />

13 people went onto the streets or with fear, of course, and as I<br />

14 was going to my vehicle, I heard people screaming, "Someone<br />

15 has wounded Monseñor. It appears that someone has killed<br />

16 Monseñor." On the radio.<br />

17 Q. When you say "Monseñor," which Monseñor is that?<br />

18 A. Monseñor Oscar Arnulfo <strong>Romero</strong>.<br />

19 Q. Where did you go in your vehicle?<br />

20 A. I headed towards the forensic clinic and about that time<br />

21 the administrator of the courts told me that Monseñor was not<br />

22 at the clinic, but he was at the Policlínica, and there was a<br />

23 justice of the peace on his way there.<br />

24 Q. Why did you yourself go?<br />

<strong>25</strong> A. I went because I was obligated by the law to go, because<br />

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1 Monseñor was a person who had a high ranking and, as judge of<br />

2 the criminal cases, I have to go.<br />

3 Q. So who was in charge as the judge? Were you in charge or<br />

4 was the justice of the peace in charge?<br />

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