140 ENGAGING YOUNG PEOPLE?and mirror closely <strong>the</strong> patterns for those who are low performers in <strong>the</strong>LCE/LCVP examination. Overall, nearly one-in-five young people leavingschool having completed <strong>the</strong> LCA programme subsequently pursue statesponsored training programmes. Again <strong>the</strong> gender differential is particularlynotable for <strong>the</strong> LCA group with 27 per cent <strong>of</strong> LCA males entering statesponsoredtraining relative to just 8 per cent <strong>of</strong> females.8.4.2 EXPERIENCES OF STATE-SPONSORED TRAININGOf <strong>the</strong> seven male respondents who went into apprenticeships when <strong>the</strong>yleft school, two had dropped out <strong>of</strong> LCA to take up <strong>the</strong>ir positions. Some<strong>of</strong> this group felt <strong>the</strong> LCA work experience prepared <strong>the</strong>m for <strong>the</strong>irapprenticeships; however, o<strong>the</strong>rs were surprised at <strong>the</strong> difficulty <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>exams (Maths in particular) and <strong>the</strong>ir training weeks in FÁS. Andrewstarted an apprenticeship when he completed <strong>the</strong> LCA and at <strong>the</strong> time <strong>of</strong>interview was due to qualify. He found <strong>the</strong> transition to work difficult butfelt he learned a lot from <strong>the</strong> experience <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> people he was workingwith:Yeah, <strong>the</strong> skills I really learned is when I went <strong>of</strong>f and worked, you know,learned that, you knew that you were going to be working with fellas who weretwenty years working in a career as an electrician, <strong>the</strong>y’re probably not going tolike young lads, <strong>the</strong>y’re going to be hard on young lads coming through, you know,just to let you know you’re not going to have it easy.And do you think <strong>the</strong> LCA would have set you up for that?When I went <strong>of</strong>f and done <strong>the</strong> work experience, I knew what was coming, I knewit wasn’t going to be ah howya, thanks for joining, I knew <strong>the</strong>re was going to besome men, some old lads who were going to be … when you start <strong>of</strong>f like,especially if you’re young, <strong>the</strong>y’re very tough on you, <strong>the</strong>y’re trying to, <strong>the</strong>y’veprobably seen it all before with kids coming out <strong>of</strong> school and <strong>the</strong>y’re gone aftertwo weeks, so <strong>the</strong>y’re not, <strong>the</strong>y’re testing your, probably your discipline as well …that probably helped me big time, yeah, arriving on time, being punctual, becauseyour man was like that, <strong>the</strong> fella I worked with, if you weren’t on time, <strong>the</strong>re’s nopoint even going to work, you know. That’s <strong>the</strong> difference out <strong>the</strong>re like, youknow. (Andrew, 21, completed LCA, apprentice)He has found <strong>the</strong> exams difficult, particularly Maths, but decided towork harder and he has successfully passed everything so far:And how do you think <strong>the</strong>y will go like, do you know?The ones I did <strong>the</strong>re last September were <strong>the</strong> hardest, <strong>the</strong>y were absolutelymonster, I’ve never seen anything like it. … it’s a ten week course, it took us ayear’s work in ten weeks, this is how heavy it is and you know, <strong>the</strong>re’s no, you’reei<strong>the</strong>r good or you’re not good, you know what I mean, and I knew <strong>the</strong> challenge Iwas facing … I was going to have to really give it everything, full attention, stopgoing out, never really went out, just stayed in …I don’t know how I did it like,but I suppose <strong>the</strong> hard work paid <strong>of</strong>f … I remember six weeks into it remembersaying I don’t know if I’m going to get this, because I hadn’t got a clue, you justkeep rehearsing, rehearsing things and it comes to you, it just clicked on <strong>the</strong> lastweek, I was delighted, and when <strong>the</strong> exams came I just knew what I was doing,thank god. I was really worrying back <strong>the</strong>n. (Andrew, 21, completed LCA,apprentice)
PROGRESSION TO FURTHER STUDY AND TRAINING 141Graham worked as a blocklayer when he left school and after sixmonths found an employer who took him on as an apprentice. He worksfor a large construction company and is in <strong>the</strong> final stages <strong>of</strong> hisapprenticeship:I’m still with <strong>the</strong> same company, yeah, still with <strong>the</strong> same old fella that’s teachingme <strong>the</strong> whole time…Just moving around, building site to building site.(Graham, 22, completed LCA, apprentice)Although he found <strong>the</strong> pace <strong>of</strong> instruction in his first session in FÁS tooslow, he <strong>the</strong>n moved to Dublin for a second session with FÁS which hefound more challenging and enjoyed:Went back out on site for ano<strong>the</strong>r five or six months and <strong>the</strong>n I got called up toDublin for my, for ten weeks in college <strong>the</strong>n as well, that was much harder.When you say it was much harder, how did it differ like?There was just stuff I never done before like, you know.So did you find it challenging or were you kind <strong>of</strong> into it like?Ah big time yeah, because I was away from home <strong>the</strong>n as well I was studyingmore and just reading more and more.That would have been a whole new real experience I supposewouldn’t it?It was great, yeah.Did you enjoy it?Loved it. (Graham, 22, completed LCA, apprentice)Jack has recently qualified as a tiler and now owns his own tilingbusiness. He left LCA in fifth year for a job in a factory but his employerwould not keep him on unless he completed school so he left and got anapprenticeship with a tiling company:He said look I told you to go back, I don’t want you here I said, I want you toget an education, come back to me <strong>the</strong>n. … I was <strong>the</strong>re about six months and hetold me to go back and get me <strong>Leaving</strong> Cert, he said you’d be better <strong>of</strong>f thanworking in a factory, so I left that factory and I became an apprentice tiler, wentfrom <strong>the</strong>re <strong>the</strong>n, now I own my own business. (Jack, 23, dropped out <strong>of</strong>LCA, employed)Jack had enjoyed <strong>the</strong> LCA and felt it gave him a good idea <strong>of</strong> what itwas going to be like in <strong>the</strong> labour force:I found it [<strong>the</strong> LCA] was a good eye opener into <strong>the</strong> fact that you were going toleave and go straight into <strong>the</strong> work force, do you get me?Right, okay.As far as it went like that, if you were to be still in school and it got you a lotwiser on things that you were about to walk into you know, <strong>the</strong> likes <strong>of</strong> everydaylife and what you needed. There was some things, don’t get me wrong, <strong>the</strong>y didn’tgive you everything you needed to know. (Jack, 23, dropped out <strong>of</strong> LCA,employed)Donal also left school in <strong>the</strong> summer <strong>of</strong> fifth year to begin hisapprenticeship as a plasterer: