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Such things go beyond established high culture as it has been perpetrated by a taste-directed<br />

art industry. Ofcourse I don’t believe that artists really wield any significant power. At best,<br />

one can focus attention. But every little bit helps. In concert with other people’s activities<br />

outside the art scene, maybe the social climate ofsociety can be changed. Anyway, when you<br />

work with the “real stuff” you have to think about potential consequences. A lot ofthings<br />

would never enter the decision-making process ifone worked with symbolic representations<br />

that have to be weighed carefully. If you work with real-time systems, well, you probably go<br />

beyond Duchamp’s position. Real-time systems are double agents. They might run under the<br />

heading “art,” but this culturization does not prevent them from operating as normal. The<br />

MOMA Poll had even more energy in the museum than it would have had in the street—real<br />

sociopolitical energy, not awe-inspiring symbolism.<br />

J.S.: Can you describe a social work that is not political?<br />

H.H.: Probably all things dealing with social situations are to a greater or lesser degree<br />

political. Take The Gallery-Goer’s Residence Profile. I asked the people that came to my exhibition<br />

to mark with a blue pin on large maps where they were living. After the show I traveled<br />

to all those spots on the Manhattan map that were marked by a blue pin and took a photograph<br />

ofthe building or approximately that location. I came up with about 730 photographs for<br />

Manhattan (naturally not every visitor participated in the game). The photographs were enlarged<br />

to 5� by 7�. They will be displayed on the wall ofthe Guggenheim according to a<br />

geographical score. All those spots that were east of Fifth Avenue go upward on the wall from<br />

a horizontal center line, those west go downward. The respective distance from Fifth Avenue<br />

determines the sequence ofpictures East and West. The Fifth Avenue spine takes up approximately<br />

36 yards ofwall space. Sometimes the photographs reach up to the ceiling, on other<br />

occasions (e.g., there is only one on the west side and none on the east side) it becomes a<br />

very jagged distribution. The “composition” is a composition determined by the information<br />

provided by the gallery-goers. No visual considerations play a role.<br />

All this sounds very innocent and apolitical. The information I collected, however, is<br />

sociologically quite revealing. The public ofcommercial art galleries, and probably that of<br />

museums, lives in easily identifiable and restricted areas. The main concentrations are on the<br />

upper West Side (Central Park and adjoining blocks, and West End Avenue with adjoining<br />

blocks), the Upper East Side, somewhat heavier in the Madison–Park Avenue areas, then below<br />

23rd Street on the East and West sides with clusters on the Lower East Side and the loft district.<br />

The photographs give an idea ofthe economic and social fabric ofthe immediate neighborhood<br />

ofthe gallery-goers. Naturally the Lower East Side pins were not put there by Puerto<br />

jeanne siegel an interviewwith hans haacke 245

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