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mougo „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />

da aseve „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />

xelisuflebam waago sxva qeisebSi,<br />

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_ Tu sakuTrebis uflebasTan<br />

ikveTeba iseTi upiratesi da sa-<br />

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`samarTlianobam<br />

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ba „rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze samarT-<br />

lianobis aRdgena, radgan Cven<br />

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Si telekompania. dRes ukve irakli<br />

oqruaSvili acxadebs preten-<br />

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Tavad aris...<br />

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aRiarebiTi Cveneba gamoikveTa.<br />

oqruaSvilis aRiarebiTma<br />

intervium Zalian bevri SekiTxva<br />

gaaCina: is ver asabuTebs, saidan<br />

hqonda fuli, romelic xalvaSs<br />

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giraos fuli 6-milion-naxevari,<br />

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rom irakli oqruaSvili kidev<br />

sxva raRacas xom ar ityvis da hipoTeturad<br />

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es yvelaferi xom ar migviyvans<br />

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romelic „rusTavi 2-is” direqtoria,<br />

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SenarCuneba?! levan, aq aris Zalian<br />

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oiRos?<br />

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da ra ar SenarCundeba.<br />

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kiTxvis niSans badebs da gagaxsenebT:<br />

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Seicvala, raRac Zalian<br />

ucnaurad Sexvda giorgi arvelaZe<br />

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telekompania „imedi” ucnaurad<br />

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aris sxva qonebriv davebze,<br />

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`oqruaSvilis aRiarebiTma intervium Zalian<br />

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saidan hqonda fuli, romelic xalvaSs misca<br />

da meore SekiTxvaa, aris is Tu ara es Tanxa,<br />

irakli oqruaSvilis giraos fuli 6-milion-<br />

naxevari, romelic qibar xalvaSma gaidaixada<br />

? am dros xom ar `garasxoddnen~?! kidev<br />

arsebobs sxva SekiTxvebic, im TvalsazrisiT,<br />

rom irakli oqruaSvili kidev sxva raRacas<br />

xom ar ityvis da hipoTeturad vambob,<br />

varaudis doneze, es yvelaferi xom ar<br />

migviyvans mixeil saakaSvilamdec?!~<br />

aqvs pretenziebi, anu marTals<br />

brZanebT, Tu samarTali samarTlianobs,<br />

maSin cota unda davaCqaroT,<br />

rom sazogadoebaSi Seiqmnas<br />

imis ganwyoba, rom samarTlianoba<br />

Zalian ar iweleba da ar<br />

dgas erT adgilas.<br />

_ faqtia, sazogadoebriv<br />

azrze xelisuflebis sasarge-<br />

blod gadaixara gavlenebi da<br />

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tika, rogorc amas xelisufleb-<br />

is warmomadgenlebi da aseve<br />

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yvelaferi iqoniebs Tu ara uary-<br />

ofiT gavlenas qveyanaSi arsebul<br />

demokratiis xarisxsa da mediis<br />

Tavisuflebaze?<br />

_ xelisufleba Zalian didi<br />

testis winaSe dgas, is myife zRvarzea.<br />

aucileblad unda Senar-<br />

Cundes media pluralisturi<br />

garemo. „nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />

da misi satelitebi dRes iseT ganwyobas<br />

qmnian, TiTqos saqarTvelo<br />

ganagrZobs CamoSlas da apokalifss<br />

gvixataven. ra Tqma unda,<br />

xelisufleba qmnis garemos da pasuxismgebloba<br />

aqvs, SeinarCunos<br />

pluralisturi mediagaremo<br />

qveyanaSi, romelic ar unda badebdes<br />

SekiTxvebs. Tu problemebia<br />

da es problemebi iyo telekompania<br />

„iberiaze”, aseve, garkveulwilad,<br />

problemebi iyo telekompania<br />

„pirvelzec” da mere es problemebi<br />

Caqra, axla „rusTavi 2" samarTlianad<br />

daubrunda erT-erT<br />

mepatrones da ar viciT, daubrundeba<br />

Tu ara aqimiZesa da dvals.<br />

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba<br />

yovelTvis mogviwodebs gamWvirvalobisken<br />

da rac me giTxariT,<br />

im SekiTxvebs aucileblad unda<br />

gaeces pasuxebi. es yvelaferi<br />

transfarentulad warmoCenili<br />

unda iyos, radgan saqarTveloSi<br />

mimdinare procesebs gamadidebeli<br />

SuSiT daakvirdebian ucxoeli<br />

diplomatebi.<br />

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