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`qveyana Cabneldeba...<br />
„gavrilovis krizisi” mTel<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
qveyanas da, Sesabamisad, yvela<br />
yaidis politikur gunds Seexo,<br />
Tumca gansakuTrebuli dartymis qveS, „nacionaluri moZrao-<br />
bis msgavsad, „gamarjvebuli saqarTveloc” aRmoCnda _ garda<br />
imisa, rom am axali politikuri moZraobis erT-erT damfuZnebel<br />
irakli oqruaSvilTan gamoZiebas 20-21 ivnisis mov-<br />
lenebze kiTxvebi aqvs, ramdenime dRis win Tavdacvis yofili<br />
ministris uaxloesi megobari da dacvis wevri daiWires. sa-<br />
marTaldamcvelebi oqruaSvilis Tanagundels iaraRis<br />
ukanono Senaxvas edavebian, Tumca „gamarjvebul saqarTvelo-<br />
Si” yvelafer amas politikur represiebad afaseben. am<br />
moZraobis erT-erTi lideri valeri gelbaxiani ki ambobs,<br />
rom „ocnebam” SevardnaZisa da saakaSvilis mTavrobebis kliSe<br />
moirgo da reJimad Camoyalibda.<br />
amas garda, „qronika+~-sTan<br />
saubrisas gamocdili politiko-<br />
si da advokati strasburgis sasa-<br />
marTlos 18 ivlisis gadawyve-<br />
tilebasac afasebs da pirdapir<br />
ambobs, rom qveynis dasavluri<br />
ideologia safrTxis qveS dgas.<br />
amitomac valeri gelbaxiani imis<br />
albaTobasac uSvebs, rom dRis<br />
wesrigSi SesaZloa, axali erovnu-<br />
li moZraobis dawyeba dadges.<br />
_ batono valeri, Tqveni amJa-<br />
mindeli politikuri gundi _<br />
„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo” _<br />
dartymis qveSaa, anu gamodis, rom<br />
mSvidi cxovreba arc erTi xe-<br />
lisuflebis dros ar giweriaT.<br />
_ aseTi bedi gvaqvs: sadac<br />
davdgebiT, iq yvela ubedureba _<br />
qariSxali, taifuni iwyeba!<br />
_ anu problema TqvenSia Tu<br />
xelisuflebebSi?<br />
_ problema rom xelisufleba-<br />
Sia, es kiTxvis niSnebs ar iwvevs,<br />
magram, rogorc Cans, Cvenc raRac<br />
dagvyveba da gamolocva gvWirdeba!<br />
_ xumroba iqiT iyos da, bolodroindel<br />
movlenebze Tqveni Se-<br />
faseba rogoria?<br />
_ Cvenc zustad igive Sefasebebi<br />
gvaqvs, oRond garkveuli dazustebiT,<br />
rac TiTqmis yvela opoziciur<br />
Zalas. saqme isaa, rom warsulsa<br />
da Tanamedroveobis pirdapir<br />
Sefasebas ar vaxdenT, anu „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” aspeqtebiT<br />
ar vsaubrobT, magram ukeTesi saqarTvelo<br />
gvinda da Cvens mosazrebebs<br />
am mimarTulebiT gamovTqvamT,<br />
magram es mosazrebebi isea<br />
gagebuli, rogorc „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” tandemi, anu Tu dRes<br />
saqarTveloSi simarTles ityvi, e.<br />
i., „nacionaluri moZraoba” xar.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, mmarTveli partiidan<br />
da Tavad batoni ivaniSvilisganac,<br />
eWvi ar SegeparoT, ase fasdeba.<br />
maTTvis simarTles „nacmo-<br />
Zraoba” hqvia, magram es ase ar aris.<br />
mokled, problema xelisuflebaSia<br />
da misi narativi im realobas<br />
ar warmoadgens, rac am qveyanaSi<br />
arsebobs.<br />
_ ki batono, asea, magram me e.<br />
w. gavrilovis krizisis Sefaseba<br />
gTxoveT, anu „ocnebas” viTareb-<br />
is aseTi dramatizeba awyobda Tu<br />
misdauneburad raRac provokaci-<br />
ul ankess wamoego?<br />
_ modiT, ase vTqvaT: xelisuflebaSi<br />
yofna aqlemis sapalnea<br />
da nuravis hgonia, es iolia. zogjer<br />
movlenebi ise viTardeba, rom<br />
xelisuflebis nebaze araferia damokidebuli.<br />
amitom xelisufleba-<br />
Si da, zogadad, politikaSi yofna<br />
maRal pasuxismgeblobas mxolod<br />
formaluri ki ara, cnobieri<br />
TvalsazrisiTac niSnavs, anu xeli-<br />
suflebaSi rom modixar, amisTvis<br />
mzad unda iyo, amasTan, naswavlic<br />
unda iyo, gamocdileba gqondes da<br />
isic unda gesmodes, saxelmwifos<br />
rogori maRali Sinaarsi aqvs.<br />
xelisuflebaSi ucodinari adamianebi<br />
movidnen da mxolod is<br />
gaacnobieres, rom mTavari marto<br />
skamia, danarCens ki mniSvneloba ar<br />
aqvs. ai, swored es iyo imis pirveli<br />
niSani, rom qveyanaSi movlenebi<br />
arapozitiurad ganviTardeboda<br />
da is, rac 20 ivniss moxda, amis<br />
praqtikuli magaliTia.<br />
saerTod, cnobilia e. w. balansis<br />
Teoria, romlis mixedviTac<br />
balansi arc qveynis SigniT unda<br />
dairRves da arc _ gareT.<br />
ruseTTan balansze saubari<br />
zedmetia imitom, rom diplomatiuri<br />
urTierToba gawyvetili gvaqvs,<br />
magram geopolitikur sivrce-<br />
Si da, maT Soris, kavkasiaSic ruseTs<br />
Tavisi garkveuli amocanebi<br />
aqvs. amitom saqarTvelo da CrdiloeT<br />
kavkasia misTvis Tanabari<br />
mniSvnelobis teritoriaa. SeiZleba,<br />
vinmes hgonia, rom ruseTis kavkasiuri<br />
politika saqarTvelos<br />
gareSe warmatebas miaRwevs, magram<br />
amaze saubari sisulelea.<br />
mokled, kavkasiaSi mimdinare<br />
movlenebi kremlisTvis sul erTi<br />
ar aris da, miT umetes, Tu saqarTvelo<br />
ruseTs saerTod gaemijna,<br />
es misi pirdapiri CamoSlis ma-<br />
Cvenebeli iqneba. yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, samxreTi kavkasia ruseTis iuridiul<br />
sivrces mTlianad mowydeba.<br />
_ es realuria?<br />
_ diax, ruseTisTvis es safrTxe<br />
arsebobs, amitom rusuli faqtori<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifos ganvi-<br />
TarebaSi erT-erTi gavleniani<br />
yovelTvis iqneba.<br />
_ Cvens ganviTarebaSi dasavle-<br />
Tis faqtoric xom mniSvnelova-<br />
nia?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. es mxolod<br />
dasavluri idealebi ar aris, anu<br />
pirdapir gacxadebulia, rom vidre<br />
religiuri saxelmwifos mSeneblobis<br />
gzas adgas, irani mTeli samyarosTvis<br />
safrTxes warmoadgens.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, aSS, anu msoflios<br />
anglosaqsuri sistema yovelTvis<br />
imaze iqneba orientirebuli,<br />
rom irani da, zogadad, muslimuri<br />
samyaro, romelic agresiis<br />
matarebelia, gaaneitralos. saamisod<br />
ki mas dasayrdeni partniorebi<br />
sWirdeba. es partniori, Turqe-<br />
Tis saxiT, aRar arsebobs.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ ukve aris muqarebi, rom TurqeTi<br />
natodan gamova, ufro sworad,<br />
garicxaven. amis gamo Savi zRvis<br />
auzis akvatoriaSi amerikuli samxedro<br />
teqnikis Semoyvanis, ase vTq-<br />
valeri gelbaxiani:<br />
`ivaniSvils<br />
mrCevlad viRac<br />
ebraeli hyolia<br />
da es ebraeli<br />
virisTavi<br />
dalagebul<br />
qveyanaSi<br />
areulobas<br />
iwyebs!~<br />
vaT, safrTxe arsebobs, Tumca konvenciiT,<br />
amerikulma gemebma Savi<br />
zRvis akvatoriaSi gadaadgilebis<br />
ufleba rom miiRon, natos sami<br />
wevris Tanxmobaa saWiro. Tu natodan<br />
TurqeTi gava, amerikelebs<br />
rumineTi da bulgareTi aRar eyofaT,<br />
rom Savi zRvis akvatoriaze<br />
es kontroli aiRon, amitom maT garantirebulad<br />
sxva, anu sarezervo<br />
qveyana sWirdebaT. mokled, imis<br />
Tqma minda, rom geopolitikuri<br />
TvalsazrisiT amerikuli interesic<br />
Zalian maRalia. Sesabamisad,<br />
xelisuflebis neba Tavisufali ki<br />
ara, aTasi dinebiT aris SeboWili.<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram ver vxvdebi,<br />
yvelafer amas 20 ivnisis movle-<br />
nebTan ra Semxebloba aqvs?<br />
_ 20 ivnisi am dinebebis gauTvleli<br />
nawili iyo. gavrilovis<br />
saqarTveloSi Camosvlis ideis avtorad<br />
zaqaria qucnaSvili dasaxelda.<br />
SeiZleba, zaqariasi bevri<br />
raRac ar momwons, magram, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
is msxverplia!<br />
_ amas ris safuZvelze ambobT,<br />
batono valeri?<br />
_ agixsniT: sanam parlamentSi<br />
viyavi, marTlmadidebluri qveynebis<br />
saparlamento delegaciebi<br />
erTmaneTs yovel wels xvdebodnen<br />
da sxvadasxva qveyanaSi sesiebic<br />
tardeboda, anu es axali ambavi ar<br />
`amaT marto ruseTTan Sedegi gaTvales, imaze<br />
ki aRar ifiqres, yvelafer amas qarTveli xalxi<br />
rogor miiRebda. ai, am ucodinarobam da<br />
politikurma siSlegem kinaRam saxelmwifo<br />
Camoamxo! am Secdomas `ocneba~ calybad<br />
aRiarebs, magram calybad aRiareba sakmarisi ar<br />
aris, radgan es mZime Secdoma iyo! am mZime<br />
Secdomaze pasuxismgebloba marto erTis<br />
gadadgoma da danarCeni 200 adamianis daWera<br />
ar aris. yvelaferi es cecxlze navTis dasxmas<br />
ufro hgavs, vidre balansisa da proporciis<br />
SenarCunebas~<br />
aris da yvela deputatma, vinc am<br />
sesiaze yofila, icis, rom es asamblea<br />
yovel wels imarTeba. sxva-<br />
Ta Soris, piradad me am asambleas<br />
maSin daveswari, roca saberZneTSi<br />
Catarda, magram iq parlamentis SenobaSi<br />
ar gamarTula.<br />
mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom<br />
saqarTvelos parlamentis Senoba-<br />
Si am asambleis gamarTva pompezurobis<br />
nawili iyo. saqarTvelo<br />
valdebuli gaxldaT, rom am sesiis<br />
Casatareblad yvela piroba Seeqmna.<br />
zogadad, am asambleaze gadawyvetilebebs<br />
ar iReben da, ubralod,<br />
qristianul saxelmwifoTa<br />
Soris kavSiris ganmtkicebas emsaxureba,<br />
anu uflebamosileba ar<br />
aqvs, magram iciT, axla ra moxda?<br />
_ ra?<br />
_ saqarTvelos am asambleis<br />
maspinZloba uwevda. Sesabamisad,<br />
viRacebma da, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
mTavrobam moindoma, rom ruseTis<br />
guli moego da es, ra Tqma unda,<br />
ivaniSvilis Tanxmobis gareSe ar<br />
moxdeboda.<br />
_ „gulis mogebaSi” ras gulisx-<br />
mobT, batono valeri?<br />
_ albaT, imis xazgasma undodaT,<br />
ai, Cven mtrebi ar varT da, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom qveyana okupirebulia<br />
da saelCoebi aRar muSaoben,<br />
nabijs mainc gadavdgamT da Tqvens<br />
delegacias, roca sesia parlamentSi<br />
Catardeba, spikerobas mivcem-<br />
To.<br />
_ Tqveni azriT, es piradad<br />
ivaniSvilis idea iyo?<br />
_ diax, aravin malavs da verc<br />
damalavs, rom es qarTuli mxaris<br />
idea iyo.<br />
_ qarTuli mxare farTo<br />
cnebaa, amitom CagekiTxebiT: idea<br />
visgan modioda, ivaniSvilisgan?<br />
_ yvelaferi es SeTanxmebuli<br />
iyo. aqedan gamomdinare, saqme er-<br />
Toblivad ganxorcielda. ubralod,<br />
qucnaSvili Semsrulebeli iyo<br />
da meti araferi! Sesabamisad, joxic<br />
masze gadatyda.<br />
_ saintereso versiaa, Tumca<br />
weRan globalur politikaze<br />
saubrobdiT. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
gamoricxavT, rom e. w. gavrilov-<br />
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