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evrosasamarTlos 18 ivlisis gadawyvetilebam sazogadoeba<br />

isev orad gayo: nawili miiCnevs, rom „rusTavi 2-is” sare-<br />

daqcio politikis SecvliT qveynis evroatlantikuri kursi<br />

kiTxvis niSnis qveS dadgeba. nawili ki ambobs, rom aRniSnuli<br />

samauwyeblo kompaniis qibar xalvaSis xelSi gadasvla Cveu-<br />

lebrivi samarTlebrivi procesia da politikasTan, miT<br />

umetes, qveynis sagareo kursTan, kavSiri ar aqvs. „Tavisufali<br />

saqarTvelos” lider kaxa kukavas SefasebiT ki strasbur-<br />

gis gadawyvetileba mxolod imas Secvlis, rom „nacionaluri<br />

moZraoba” mTavari opoziciuri Zala veRar iqneba, radgan<br />

„rusTavi 2", rogorc kukava ambobs, Tavisufali sityvis oazi-<br />

si ki ara, yofili xelisuflebis partiuli prescentri iyo.<br />

amas garda, kukava erT sagulisxmo gancxadebasac akeTebs, anu<br />

misi TqmiT, briuselidan gacemulia davaleba, rom propor-<br />

ciul arCevnebamde qveyanaSi areuloba moxdes.<br />

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saqarTvelos” Tavmjdomaris in-<br />

tervius gTavazobT:<br />

_ batono kaxa, TqvenTan saubars<br />

„gavrilovis krizisze” vapirebdi,<br />

magram strasburgis sasa-<br />

marTlos 18 ivlisis gadawyvetilebam,<br />

rogorc ityvian, dRis wes-<br />

rigi Secvala. Sesabamisad, pirvel<br />

kiTxvas swored am konteqstSi<br />

dagisvamT, kerZod, „rusTavi 2-is”<br />

garSemo bolo dReebSi ganviTare-<br />

buli movlenebi „gavrilovis<br />

krizisis” erTgvari dagvirgvine-<br />

ba xom ar aris?<br />

_ ara, aranairad. am ori saqmis<br />

erTmaneTTan dakavSireba yvelanairad<br />

_ logikurad, qronologiurad<br />

Tu samarTlebrivad absurdulia.<br />

sakiTxis ase dasma „nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis” ramdenime marginalis<br />

insinuacia da bodviTi ideaa,<br />

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brZaneba putinma gascao. SemiZlia,<br />

dagisabuToT kidec, amas ratom<br />

vambob.<br />

_ cxadia, unda damisabuToT.<br />

ase rom, gismenT.<br />

_ „rusTavi 2-is” garSemo procesebi<br />

2015 wels daiwyo, gavrilovi<br />

ki saqarTveloSi axla, anu<br />

2019-Si Camovida. Zveli berZnuli<br />

filosofiidan dawyebuli, ar Sei-<br />

Zleba, jer Sedegi dadges da mere<br />

_ mizezi. mizezi Tu ar aris, Sedegi<br />

ver dadgeba.<br />

_ cxadia, magram ratom gaviwy-<br />

debaT, rom „gavrilovis krizisis”<br />

erT-erTi akordi giorgi gabunias<br />

cnobili gancxadeba iyo. Sesabam-<br />

isad, pirveli kiTxvac swored am<br />

konteqstSi dagisviT.<br />

_ ras melaparakebiT, kaco?<br />

axla, gvaramiasaviT raRacebs nu<br />

bodavT!<br />

_ ukacravad, ras vbodav?<br />

_ Tqveni azriT, 18 ivlisi, roca<br />

strasburgs „rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze<br />

gadawyvetileba unda gamoetana,<br />

rodis dadginda? ra, ggoniaT, gabuniam<br />

putins rom agina, strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlom gadawyvetileba<br />

amitom gamoitana? _ diax, es gavrilovis<br />

vizitamde bevrad adre<br />

vicodiT.<br />

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TvalSi samauwyeblo kompaniis mi-<br />

zanmimarTuli marginalizacia<br />

xom ar moxda?<br />

_ piriqiT, iciT, gabuniam putins<br />

ratom Seagina? _ minimum, bolo<br />

Tveebis ganmavlobaSi yvelam icoda<br />

da saidumlos aravisTvis warmoadgenda,<br />

rom strasburgi daaxloebiT<br />

aseT gadawyvetilebas gamoitanda,<br />

amitom ramdenime isterikianma<br />

adamianma aseTi zRapris dadgma<br />

gadawyvita, modi, putins davabraloT<br />

da vTqvaT, putini gvxuravso.<br />

rogor davabraloT? _ modi,<br />

SevaginoT da mere strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebas rom<br />

gamoitans, es putins davabralo-<br />

To. ai, mTeli ambavi es iyo.<br />

piradad Tqven ar gexebaT, magram<br />

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da inteleqtze pretenzia<br />

18<br />

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raRacebs bodavda, saqarTveloSi<br />

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unda ganvixiloT, rom evrosasamarTlo,<br />

romelSic evropis 29<br />

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Turme, imis gamo miiRo,<br />

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inteleqts Seuracxyofs!<br />

_ mgoni, droa, adamianebma Seu-<br />

racxyofisa da agresiis gareSe<br />

visaubroT. hoda, martivad miTxariT:<br />

strasburgis gadawyvetileba<br />

qarTul politikaSi ras Secv-<br />

lis? zogi ambobs, amiT araTu<br />

qarTuli demokratia dasamarda,<br />

aramed „rusTavi 2-is” gareSe<br />

saqarTvelo rusul orbitaze<br />

dabrundebao. asea?<br />

_ yvelaferi mxolod dadebiTisken<br />

Seicvleba. amasTan, erTi<br />

argumenti mainc miTxariT, demokratia<br />

ratom dasamarda? „rusTavi<br />

2" demokratia arasodes yofila<br />

da is Cveulebrivi partiuli, „nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis” prescentri,<br />

anu zustad iseTive arxi iyo,<br />

rogoric saqarTveloSi kidev ramdenime<br />

partias aqvs. „rusTavi 2-ze”<br />

aranairi sityvis Tavisufleba ar<br />

yofila! magaliTad, CemTvis „rusTavi<br />

2" 2007 wlis 7 noebris Semdeg<br />

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odnav kritikul rames ityodi,<br />

„rusTavi 2" samudamod dagexureboda.<br />

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namdvileSi, arxi misi sakuTrebaa.<br />

_ es Cveulebrivi sasamarTlo<br />

davaa da mere, ra moxda? iciT, ro-<br />

`gvaramiasaviT<br />

kaxa kukava: `gacemulia<br />

davaleba, rom<br />

proporciul arCevnebamde<br />

saqarTveloSi, nebismieri<br />

provokaciis fasad,<br />

areuloba moxdes!~<br />

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urTmeliZis sasamarTlos vakritikebdi<br />

da im gadawyvetilebaze,<br />

romelic miiRo, samarTlebrivi<br />

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Si erTi adamiani mainc aris, romelic<br />

uaryofs, rom qibar xalvaSs<br />

„rusTavi 2" qurdulad „aaxies”?<br />

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ze, viRacas „qurdulad aaxia”.<br />

_ Zmao, asprocentiani xarT,<br />

magram „rusTavi 2" amas ambobs Tu<br />

imas, sityvis Tavisufleba izRudeba<br />

da Cveni sakuTreba wagvarTveso?<br />

rasac Tqven ambobT, mec, daaxloebiT,<br />

mag poziciaze var, anu samarTlianobis<br />

aRdgena maSin iqneba,<br />

roca „rusTavi 2" xalvaSs ki<br />

ara, Tavdapirvel damfuZneblebs<br />

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isaa, rom samoqalaqo kodeqsis 74-<br />

e muxli yvela analogiur saqmeze<br />

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2004-2012 wlebSi „nacionalurma<br />

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aaxia! mokled, Tu samarTlianobis<br />

aRdgenis kuTxiT mivdivarT,<br />

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viciT, rom tariel oniani da jaba<br />

ioseliani rom „axevdnen” qonebas,<br />

„rusTavi 2-ic” kanonier mflobels<br />

ase aaxies, Tu qibar xalvaSis<br />

naTqvamSi eWvi gvepareba? kidev<br />

vimeoreb: ki batono, sadavoa, „rusTavi<br />

2" xalvaSisaa Tu dvalisa da<br />

aqimiZis.<br />

`iciT, gabuniam putins ratom Seagina? - minimum,<br />

bolo Tveebis ganmavlobaSi yvelam icoda da<br />

saidumlos aravisTvis warmoadgenda, rom<br />

strasburgi daaxloebiT aseT gadawyvetilebas<br />

gamoitanda, amitom ramdenime isterikianma<br />

adamianma aseTi zRapris dadgma gadawyvita,<br />

modi, putins davabraloT da vTqvaT, putini<br />

gvxuravso. rogor davabraloT? - modi,<br />

SevaginoT da mere strasburgis sasamarTlo<br />

gadawyvetilebas rom gamoitans, es putins<br />

davabraloTo. ai, mTeli ambavi es iyo~<br />

_ anu strasburgis gadawyvetilebiT,<br />

samarTlianoba ar aRmd-<br />

gara, ara?<br />

_ diax, geTanxmebiT. samarTlianobis<br />

aRdgena damatebiTi RonisZiebebis<br />

ganxorcielebas ukavSirdeba.<br />

amis Sesaxeb araerTxel miTqvams,<br />

„Tavisufali saqarTvelo” kampaniis<br />

dawyebasac gegmavs, rom samarTlianobis<br />

aRdgena erTiani<br />

standartiT moxdes da ara _ Ser-<br />

CeviT, radgan SerCeviTobis dros<br />

samarTlianoba didi kiTxvis niSnis<br />

qveS dgas!<br />

_ mokled, batono kaxa, „ocneba”<br />

„nacionalebis” gzas agr-<br />

Zelebs da qveyanaSi SerCeviT sa-<br />

marTals, ase vTqvaT, lobirebs?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda. dRes saqarTveloSi<br />

sasamarTlo sistema krizisSia<br />

da es xelisuflebis erT-er-<br />

Ti seriozuli Cavardnaa, razec,<br />

mgoni, „qarTuli ocnebis” zogier-<br />

Ti wevric ar daobs. Sesabamisad,<br />

arc danarCeni sazogadoeba daobs,<br />

rom samarTlianobis aRdgena araTu<br />

ar dawyebula, aramed, sawyis<br />

stadiazea „gakvexebuli” da es WeSmaritebaa!<br />

_ mmarTveli gundi, samwuxarod,<br />

ase ar fiqrobs. metic, strasburgis<br />

18 ivlisis gadawyvetilebis<br />

Semdeg xelisuflebam brtyel-<br />

brtyeli gancxadebebi gaakeTa, ai,<br />

evrosasamarTlomac daadastura,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi sasamarTlo<br />

Tavisufalia da am kuTxiT prob-<br />

lemebi ar arsebobso.<br />

_ iciT, es „ocnebis” rogori<br />

Secdomaa? _ Tavis droze, Tu ar<br />

vcdebi, taleiranma Tqva, _ es ufro<br />

metia, vidre danaSaulio. „ocneba”<br />

krizisSi imis gamo Sevida,<br />

rom ar undoda, is realoba daenaxa,<br />

rasac Cven, yvelani vxedavdiT.<br />

SeiZleba, rusTavelis gamzirze<br />

aqcia gamarginalda da iq 50 mocekvaveRaa<br />

darCenili, magram es imas<br />

ar niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi protesti<br />

aRar arsebobs. murusiZe isev<br />

imden adamians ar moswons, ram-<br />

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