Transcript of Hearing 12/12/97 - TWA Flight 800 Investigation

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1287123Does either the Air Force of the Navy usesome type of inerting system on board all theirtransport category aircraft?4MR. LAUZZE:The answer is no.5MR. STREETER: Okay. What -- or, if you are6aware of it,what kind of factors go into the decision78as to whether or not a system would be put on anairplane?9MR. LAUZZE:I can’t really speak to some of10the systems that don’t have protection.Many of them1112131415were designed long before I, you know, was involvedwith the Air Force. But, with any design, you know,you need to look at what the -- particularly in themilitary, you need to look at what the mission is, whatits predicted exposure rate is, what the threat is.16You know,is it going to come up against17missiles,is it going to come up against gunfire, is it18never going to see combat?All those things play into19the equation,and obviously, you know, we want an20optimum low weight solution.21so,there is no single answer, and I think22that is one reason why we see things like foam, we see23things like Halon,we see things like liquid nitrogen,24as well.We need a whole bag of tricks, because25everything –– you know,each system is different.CAPITAL HILL REPORTING, INC.(202) 466-9500
12881MR. STREETER:In the list you showed up2there,I noticed that the -- you had both the C-130 and3456the C-5 listed as having protective systems, and if Iunderstood correctly the C–5 was a retrofit due tosituations it had run into on the ground.The C-141 wasn’t listed, and since it sits7right in between the two,I am wondering if there was8some reason that -- or, does it have a system, and if9it doesn’t,what is the reason it doesn’t?10MR. LAUZZE:That was a system I was1112referring to as the answer to the earlier question. Ireally don’t have any knowledge on the 14113specifically.It has been around for a long time. I1415really can’t speak to it.MR. STREETER:Since we are dealing with a16Boeing product here,although we are dealing with a17181920concept that covers everybody’s product, and I believewhile I am not sure I have all the designators right,so I will stick with the civilian designator, but Ibelieve the Air Force is using the 747 for command and21control purposes,707 derivatives for various AWACS and22232425theater operations and so on, and the 737 fornavigation training and personnel transport.Do you know if any of those systems haveinerting aboard?CAPITAL HILL REPORTING, INC.(202) 466-9500
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1186BEFORE THENATIONAL TRANSPORTATI
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119112“The reticulate polyurethan
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1193123The Air Force developed this
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1195123QBY MR. ANDERSON:DIRECT EXAM
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12051and then we will charter ARAC,
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1WITNESS McSWEENEY:1209I would then
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12111234567several Airworthiness Di
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12151opinion.2WITNESS McSWEENEY:I w
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12231reasons,like airline dispatch
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12251 MR. ANDERSON: I would like to
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1looking at inerting,1227looking at
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123will participate.WITNESS THOMAS:
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12CHAIRMAN HALL:specific informatio
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1233123of order here.WITNESS THOMAS
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1235123becomes an option that becom
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Page 56 and 57: 1WITNESS McSWEENEY:1241Well, whethe
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Page 62 and 63: 124712eliminating.so, the key is, i
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1338123again thank C-Span for that
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