Transcript of Hearing 12/12/97 - TWA Flight 800 Investigation

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124712eliminating.so, the key is, if you look at some of the3possible solutions you have,I think that whole range4from where we are today to total and absolute5elimination.We haven’t ruled that out.6What we want to do is to see what are the7possibilities that is out there.If JP-5, for8instance, proves out,we could probably get a twenty9fold reduction in accidents,twenty fold increase in10safety.What we -- what you might want to add to that111213to get you down to zero times in flight when you wouldhave an explosive mixture might be quite minimal.You could also look at it from, “well, we14won’t deal with the fuel,we will deal with inerting15the tanks.”Whatever the solution is, I think it all1617181920212223has to meet the same safety objective of significantlyreducing or eliminating explosions in fuel tanks.MR. SWAIM: Thank you. George?MR. ANDERSON: Thank you, sir. I would liketo go over to Captain Steve Green at this time.Whereupon,CAPTAIN STEVE GREEN,was called as witnesses by and on behalf of the NTSB,24and,after having been first duly sworn, was examined25and testified on his oath as follows.CAPITAL HILL REPORTING, INC.(202) 466-9500
1248123BY MR. ANDERSON:DIRECT EXAMINATIONQ Good morning, Captain Green.45AQGood morning, Mr. Anderson.I want to say first that when we put together67this panel I think that the -- Mr. Green representingALPA, Air Line Pilots Association, we were at least a8little bit wondering where–– why they belonged on this9101112panel, and my feeling about it was that we had todiscuss among the other complexities the importance ofthe final operator of any new modification or system,or whatever came out of this process of change.13Captain Green,we have been discussing some14significant potential here that would affect the15commercial air fleet.I would ask you, what are some16of the operational concerns.That would be from the17crew members,the maintainers and the people that you18work with every day that you would envision as meeting19scrutiny ––and I know that you have some other2021222324comments concerning the methodology that might be usedto approach this.A Okay, I think I can address that. I firstwanted to establish, Mr. Chairman, some of my basiccredentials . Number one, I have been in the center25tank; two,I have read Dr. Ball’s book; and three, weCAPITAL HILL REPORTING, INC.(202) 466-9500
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1186BEFORE THENATIONAL TRANSPORTATI
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119112“The reticulate polyurethan
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1193123The Air Force developed this
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1195123QBY MR. ANDERSON:DIRECT EXAM
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13001234remediational technology in
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13141Mr. Thomas, is there anything
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1320123CHAIRMAN HALL: So, in other
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1322123looking at the oxidizer and
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13301opinion.We have thoroughly enj
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