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of T-cell leukemia too. [13]So there's all this evidence that T-cell leukemia is related to BLV,which it certainly is, [and] for sure, if you culture the virus inhuman tissue and adapt it, what you get [is an HTLV-I-Iike virusthat thrives in humans]. . . .If you look at BVV, bovine visna virus, [13] . . . it's very closelyrelated [to HIV], but it's still not there; it's not the same as AIDSbecause what you have is bovine visna virus - a virus growing incattle - and that's not adapted to humans yet. To adapt it tohumans, you've got to grow it in human tissue, as they weredoing in those early '70s. And what they discovered was that itwas a selective T-cell destroyer [just as the AIDS virus is].French/American ʺBullʺROBERT: Do you know what the true conflict [was] thatoccurred between Gallo and Montagnier?LEN: The one that I'm aware of was that Montagnier allegedlygave him what he thought was the virus, and Gallo supposedlycloned it.ROBERT: That was all bull. . . . Because they both had theviruses growing in their labs in the early 1970s.The real problem was, and what happens is - suppose you take aculture of lymphocytes, you take T-cell lymphocytes and youdump in HTLV-I or II. What happens to the T-lymphocyteculture?LEN: It gets infected, and it proliferates.ROBERT: That's exactly what happens. The tissue grows andgrows and grows in human beings. That's what results inleukemia. You have to take the cells out; they get so packed thatthe tissue culture dies.Now what happens when you dump bovine visna or AIDS virusinto the same tissue cultures?LEN: The cells don't grow.ROBERT: Exactly! They're lysed. They die. So when you comeback in a day or two and look, there's nothing left except debris.And so Gallo couldn't figure out how to make enough virus forthe antibody tests. They needed virus in quantities to geteverything going. And they couldn't get them to reproduce longenough to get large quantities of virus.[I felt the urge to interrupt Strecker at this point since I hadquestioned this same allegation before when Randy Shiltsadvanced it in 'The Band.' Instead, I remained silent, heeding my