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LEN: OK. Explain this now. Why did Gallo in 1980 become sofrustrated that he couldn't keep the [T-lymph] cells alive, soallegedly he quit.ROBERT: What?LEN: According to Shilts, Gallo dropped out of the AIDS racefor about two years.ROBERT: I don't believe that either. I don't know what he wasdoing in that time frame, but he was still working on AIDS;there's no doubt about that.LEN: According to Shilts, Gallo had only about 10 percent of hislab going on the AIDS problem. He said that Gallo stonewalledresearchers throughout the world [by] not providing theantibodies, not providing the cell lines that were required toidentify and cultivate the virus.ROBERT: Yeah. . . . Why would they want to give things awaywhen they knew what was going on already, and it was a matterof Gallo and Montagnier deciding who was going to tell whatwhen. . . . Do you know the story about the patent? [19]LEN: Gallo ripped Montagnier off.ROBERT: Yeah. That's what brought the split. You see we [theUnited States] tried to take all the money.LEN: Well, that's what they've done.ROBERT: Yes. Yes. Yes. So that's what got the French so angry.And what was Montagnier going to do? Come out and say,"Well, we lied. We've been doing this work all along. We're allcrooks."So that's, in my opinion, what happened. Anybody with anyscientific credibility knew that Gallo stole the virus if that's whatthey were talking about because they [HLTV-III and LAV] wereidentical. . . . But I think that the big war was really a war overmoney.LEN: Oh, for sure.ROBERT: Yeah. Anybody with any sense knew; I meanretrovirologists laugh about it because they knew that Gallo stoleit. It was only the press that was blind.LEN: But how do YOU reconcile the first comment that they allhad these things and then later that he [Gallo] cloned it[Montagnier's LAV]?
ROBERT: They had them, and you can grow the virus inperpetuity if you keep constantly changing their cell line as itkills it. That doesn't mean you can grow it in any quantity. Inother words, every lab in the world - and these were all over theworld, they weren't just here and in France; they were inGermany and Russia and everywhere - [and] a lot of people hadthe [human] cell lines, and they had the cattle cell lines [in theearly 1970s]. . . . And we know they had, in 1976, BVV, bovinevisna virus, growing in brain tissue in Brussels because we havepapers on that. One paper said that the AIDS[-like] virus wouldinfect [human] brain tissue. And the guy even wrote, "Is itpossible that this is a cause of slow virus disease of man?" [20]So, I mean, they were everywhere.The ʺConspiracy of CellsʺROBERT: Plus, they were growing in cattle naturally, and wewere using fetal calf serum as growth medium for every cellculture in the world. . . . The theory was that since these wereextracted from fetuses, they were sterile, but in fact, they weren't.Because the AIDS virus and BLV-I and II were being transferredin the gene lines. And so they were potentially transferring theseviruses into every tissue culture throughout the world. . . .So it gets very mixed up. You've got to read a book called'Conspiracy of Cells,' by Michael Gold. [21] This is a story aboutWalter Nelson Reese who worked in the highest containmentlaboratory in the NIH - the BSL 4 lab. That's where they keeptheir tissue cultures, and they had like 300 to 400 of them. And in1981, Walter Nelson Reese published a paper [in 'Science']saying that over a third of them were Henrietta-Lack-cellcontaminatedcell lines.Henrietta Lack was a black lady who worked at Hopkins in thelate 1950s. She died around 1965 or so while she was stillworking there. . . [from] a tumor of the uterus that literally ate heralive. And that tissue was the first human tissue that was grownin perpetuity in tissue cultures. Because up till then, they wouldonly grow one or two divisions and then die, and her tissue calledHELA - that's where HELA comes from, Henrietta Lack - wasthe first [cancer cells] that would grow in tissue cultures.Now those cell lines were sent all over the world, and whathappened was that scientists were contaminating their tissueculture cells with HELA accidentally. And in the early 1970s, Ithink '72 under Nixon, the Russians sent us six cell lines that theythought contained human cancer-causing viruses. And those weresent to Walter Nelson Reese who was the keeper of the cell linesin the United States. He was in San Francisco, and it was his jobto keep the cell lines straight and not contaminate them. That was[during] the great "war on cancer," that's where all this stuff camefrom. The NIH was funded in '72 with billions of dollars to find
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Part IIntroduction and Scientific B
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