human viruses, and that the ge<strong>net</strong>ic structure of the AIDS virusactually looked like the viruses that appeared in animals thatwould not normally adapt themselves in humans. . . .That could have occurred spontaneously, but not by the processthat scientists have normally talked about. For instance, not bythe virus running in primates [the highest order of mammals,including man, monkeys, and lemurs] because if you look at thege<strong>net</strong>ic structure of the AIDS virus, what you find is that thecodon choices [the specific sequence of three (purine andpyrimidine) bases in the viral RNA that codes for the productionof a specific amino acid by the infected cell] included in theAIDS virus are not existent in primate genes.Therefore, to assume that they simply mutated in order to adaptthemselves into primates in the case of AIDS is vanishingly smallalthough still possible. What happened is that the virus eithermutated in cattle and sheep, and then was artificially adapted tohumans by growing in human tissue cultures, which they[virologists] do and in which they are easily manipulated in thatmanner - or the virus was actually constructed in a laboratory bygene manipulation, which was available to scientists in the early'70s although many of the techniques were not talked about untilthe mid '70s, because the biowarfare laboratories throughout theworld have always been about five to ten years ahead of otherlaboratories working on all kinds of projects.In addition, a clearer reason is, if you look at the appearance ofthe 'human retroviruses,' the fact is that there were a host of thesethings that appeared all at the same time. So, you have to explainnot only the appearance of HIV-I, but also HIV-II, HTLV-I,NTLV-II, HTLV-IV, HTLV-V, HTLV-VI, ad nauseam.And so, to say that these things all spontaneously mutated at thesame time in nature, and in the same direction, to infect humanbeings spontaneously and spread disease in worldwide epidemicproportions, in my opinion, is absurd compared to the known factthat scientists were working with exact progenitors of theseviruses in their laboratories, which we can document.The Green Monkey TheoryLEN: But what about the green monkey theory - the theory that agreen monkey bit an African or someone had sex with an ape?ROBERT: That's just nonsense. . . . Green monkeys are about thesize of chickens. So the idea of a human having sex with a femalemonkey the size of a chicken is, of course, absurd.In addition, the theory that a transmission occurred throughbiting, of course, is always said to be close to impossible. If youlook at the CDC and everybody else, they say that biting is not aneasy way to spread these diseases except in the case of thepurported green monkey which is suddenly the way it wasspread. [2]
We don't believe that the viruses came from primates or fromgreen monkeys. In addition, if you look at the whole theory thatwas published in Rolling Stone. . . which accused Wistar Instituteof spreading AIDS to Africa in the polio vaccines of the early1960s; Wistar, of course, says that they have now reviewed alltheir stocks [without finding any incriminating evidence for theallegation]. . . . Wistar Institute is one of the world's biologicalleaders in 'retrovirus, virus, and cancer causation, cancerresearch,' [and is] located in Philadelphia. [3]And these viruses were originally known by their Philadelphianames. They were called 'NBC' for New Bolton Center, which isalso in Philadelphia. And if you look up the original AIDS virus,in our opinion, that goes back to cattle viruses that were calledNBC, New Bolton Center I through about XIV or XVI. [4]And we identified HLTV-I and HLTV-II and HLTV-III in thosefirst cultures that were adapted to human beings by growing themin human tissue culture. . . . For many years actually, you couldsimply call up New Bolton and say, "Give me some NBC-XIII."And they would send it to you. And then when AIDS appearedaround 1978 or so, all of a sudden the NBC line all disappeared.You could no longer order them.LEN: How interesting.The Cow TheoryROBERT: Yeah. It is interesting. And so we tracked NBC, I thinkit's [NBC-] XIII . . . back to Louisiana State Agriculture Farm(LSAF) cow BFC-44. And what happens was you see, they werelooking a lot at HLTV-I, which is like bovine leukemia virus(BLV), [5] and this cow at the LSAF got they thought a BLVinfection. She got huge lymph nodes in the neck just likeHLTVV-I/BLV in cattle. And then she apparently conquered itbecause the lymph nodes went down; she got better after amononucleosis-like disease, and she made lots and lots and lotsof antibodies against this virus.Then about five or six years later, she started losing weightrapidly, developed diarrhea, and died with pneumonia. And theyautopsied her and of course she had no immune system left.And as far as we can tell, that was the original bovine visna virusisolate.LEN: What year was that?ROBERT: 1969. And that virus was capable of wiping out T-cellsselectively, it produced syncytium [a mass of cell fluidscontaining many cell nuclei formed by the joining of originallyseparate cells as a result of infection or disease] [6] in tissueculture, and it does everything that AIDS does.
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