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ezo SatakiSvili 597 94 42 50 „qronika+” esaubreba „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevr kote iose- lians: _ kars mogvadga saprezidento arCevnebi. miuxedavad imisa, rom prezidentis uflebebi konsti- tuciiT sagrZnoblad Sekvecilia, Seqmnil viTarebaSi mainc gadamwyveti xdeba, vin iqneba saqarTve- los prezidenti? praqtikulad, am arCevanze xdeba damokidebuli sagareo veqtori. Tu qveyana salome zurabiSvils airCevs, gasage- bi gaxdeba, saiTac mieqaneba igi. _ swored ivaniSvilisTvisaa komfortuli am viTarebaSi prezidentis SezRudul uflebebze apelireba da es narativi, rom prezidents cota ufleba aqvs, rom kanonmdeblobiT ezRudeba farTo administraciul saqmeebSi Carevis ufleba da amis gamo umniSvneloa, vin iqneba prezidenti, rom es arCevnebi axla realurad arafers ni- Snavs da ubralod proceduraa, romelic unda gaviaroT, unda ganamtkicos azri, rom vinc ar unda gaimarjvos, qveyanaSi araferi Seicvleba. _ gasagebia. Tu sazogadoeba umniSvnelod miiCnevs am arCev- nebs, dabal aqtivobas vixilavT da gayalbebisTvis meti gasaqani eqnebaT. _ diax, specialurad nergaven nihilizms, rom raRacnairad gadaagoron es arCevnebi da TavisTvis komfortuli garemo Seiqmnan. gasagebia, rom konstituciiT mar- Tlac SezRudulia prezidentis uflebebi, magram miuxedavad amisa, prezidentis institutis politikuri wona mainc ganusazRvrelad didia. prezidents SeuZlia, nebismier sakiTxze daafiqsiros Tavisi pozicia, miuxedavad imisa, konstituciurad xelewifeba Tu ara am konkretul sakiTxSi Careva da cvlilebebis Setana. nebismiers, vinc ar unda iyos prezidenti, namdvilad SeeZleba garkveuli cvlilebebis Setana im politikaSi, ra politikasac dRes „qarTuli ocneba” gvTavazobs. Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs imas, Tu vin iqneba prezidenti, ra pozicia eqneba, ra xedva, ra ideologia. aqedan gamomdinare, Zalian mniSvnelovania, xelidan gamovacaloT prezidentis instituti biZina ivaniSvils imitom, rom prezidentis instituti balansis seriozuli meqanizmia. am instituts SeuZlia, daabalansos ivaniSvilis erTpirovnuli, erTpartiuli xelisufleba. amitom marTlac mniSvnelovania am arCevnebSi opoziciis kandidatis gamarjveba. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com kote ioseliani: `am qveynis problema salome zurabiSvili ki ara, `qarTuli ocnebaa~ _ yvelafers rom Tavi davane- boiT, es gamarjveba „ocnebis” damarcxebis precedents Seqmnis. _ eg TavisTavad, magram, am etapze, ivaniSvili cdilobs, gaaufasuros es arCevnebi, gaaqarwylos misi mniSvneloba, mosaxleobaSi azri gaaCinos, rom aranairi mniSvneloba ar aqvs, vin iqneba prezidenti. _ swored amis xazgasasmeladac xom ar Tqva uari partiuli kandidatis wayenebaze? rom, ai, es arCevnebi imdenad umniSvneloa, rom kandidatsac ar vayenebTo? _ daviwyoT iqidan rom maT mar- Tla ar hyavT kandidati, visac xalxi xmas miscems. realurad dasxnden, naxes risi resursic hqondaT, rom „qarTuli ocnebis” partiul vertikalSi ar moepovebaT adamiani, romelsac sazogadoeba xmas miscems da moifiqres es „damoukidebeli kandidati”, gzis amrevi manevri, rom TiTqos „qarTuli ocneba” imdenad sulmaRalia, imdenad momxrea demokratiuli procesebis, rom ai, opoziciasa da damoukidebel kandidatebs uTmobs asparezs. es modeli maT yvelaze metad awyobT, am nabijiT `Cven Zalian bevri Tanamedrove kinto gvyavs, romelic Coxa-axaluxSi gaxveuli dadis, erT-erTi prezidentobasac apirebs, vasaZeze vsaubrob. es kintoebi emociebze TamaSoben da, samwuxarod, Cvens saxelmwifoSi arian adamianebi, viszedac Wris es blefi. erTgvari Soua, romelsac Tavisi mayurebeli hyavs. am SouSi zogi klouni Coxas Caicvams, zogi muxlebze daemxoba. maTze saubari drois fuWad kargvaa, isini arafers warmoadgenen. verafers Secvlian verasodes am qveynis politikur cxovrebaSi. sul rom SixiaSvilebis jgufi movides xelisuflebaSi, TviTon SixiaSvili mainc darCeba raRac TviTmmarTvelobis Sua rgolSi da ufro mets mas aravin andobs~ ucxoelebTanac demokratiul saxes ianarCuneben. _ ki, magram an gareT vis moatyueben, an SigniT qveyanaSi? yve- lam gadasarevad icis, rom xelisufleba salome zurabiSvils uW- ers mxars. _ eg TavisTavad. piradi gamocdilebidan getyviT: 2016 wels, saparlamento arCevnebis dros, nika ruruas StabSi viyavi, romelic maJoritarobis kandidati iyo mTawmindis raionSi. salome zurabiSvili misi konkurenti brZandeboda da piradad vxedavdi, rogorc exmareboda sus-i, partaqtivi, saolqo saarCevno komisia, mTeli administraciuli resursi muSaobda salome zurabiSvilze. muSaobdnen iseve, rogorc muSaobdnen „ocnebis” sxva kandidatebze. ra RonisZiebebic ki xelisuflebam „ocnebis” kandidatebis mxardasaWerad gaatara, zustad igive saCuqari da daxmareba gauwies salome zurabiSvils. is arc maSin yofila aranairi damoukidebeli kandidati da arc axlaa. _ ras mogvitans misi prezidentoba? im adamianis gaprezidente- ba, vinc qveyanas Riad adanaSaulebs omis dawyebaSi, ar gamoi- wvevs araRiarebis politikis gadaxedvas? _ kargs namdvilad arafers mogvitans da salome zurabiSvili bevr mavneblobasac Caidens, magram mas ra statusic ar unda hqondes, rac ar unda prezidenti erqvas, is namdvilad araa im wonis figura, arc qveynis SigniT, arc qveynis gareT, rom misma sityvam rame problema Seuqmnas teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenas. salome zurabiSvili aris nuli politikurad da mis Wkuaze namdvilad aravin ivlis. ubralod, Cven isev davkargavT wlebs, rogorc vkargavT 2012 wlis Semdeg. Cveni saxelmwifos warumateblobis mizezi aris „qarTuli ocneba” da biZina ivaniSvili. salome zurabiSvili ras ityvis, magas ar aqvs mniSvneloba, mniSvneloba aqvs imas, rom es xelisufleba arafers akeTebda mTeli es 6 weliwadi: arc nato-Si integraciis kuTxiT, arc evrokavSirTan urTierTobis Camoyalibebaze, qveyanaSi saerTaSoriso meqanizmebis 18 18 N27 (248) 14.08-4.09.2018 w.
danergvaze, rom Cven globalur ekonomikur sistemaSi CavrTuliyaviT. mokled, imis Tqma minda, am qveynis problema salome zurabiSvili ki ara, „qarTuli ocnebaa” Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT. rogorc ki „qarTuli ocneba” dasruldeba Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT, salome zurabiSvili, sulac rom prezidenti iyos, aranairi fasi ar eqneba mis arc erT sityvas da im dRidan daiwyeba Zalian swrafi da srulmasStabiani svla Cveni qveynis teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenisken. _ am arCevnebze imdeni prorusi saprezidento kandidati gvyavs, mgoni, marTla ramdenime ruseTi arsebobs. riT aris es gamowveuli, _ sxvadasxva rusuli wre sxvadasxva kandidatze debs fsons? Cveni opoziciisa ar iyos, ratom ver Sejerda ruseTi erT kandidatze? _ aranairi ori da ramdenime ruseTi ar arsebobs, namdviald erTi ruseTi arsebobs, romlis saTaveSi dgas putini, romelic ssrk-s dangrevas Riad miiCnevs XX saukunis geopolitikur katastrofad da mTeli misi alisxmeva mimarTulia iqiTken, rom raRacnairad moaxerxos ssrk-s reinkarnireba da misadageba TanamedroveobasTan. iswrafvis, rom ruseTis istoriaSi Sevides, rogorc „miwebis Semgrovebeli”. rac Seexeba imas, rom ramdenime prorusi kandidatia, kastingia Cveulebrivi gamocxadebuli, ruseTs yovelTvis hyavs meore-mesame rigis moTamaSeebi. ratom arsebobs burjanaZe? imitom, rom Tu CamoiSleba da Camoingreva ivaniSvili, misi alternativa arsebobdes. Tavis mxriv, „patriotTa aliansi” SeiZleba moviazroT, rogorc burjanaZis alternativa da a. S. ruseTs yovelTvis awyobs areuloba, mas ar sWirdeba saqarTveloSi konkretuli da gawerili politikuri koniunqtura. dRes es aris, xval is iqneba, zeg burjanaZe mova. rac ufro meti iqneba areuloba, rac ufro didi iqneba gaurkvevloba, miT ufro xelsayreli viTareba iqneba ruseTisTvis. _ „patriota aliansi” axseneT da axla Cven vnaxeT erT dros Tqveni Tanapartieli, „nacionali” SixiaSvili, rogor darbis CoxaSi gamowyobili aRmaSenebelze. gasagebia, rom Tqveni partiis wevri aRaraa, magram roca iyo, ra undoda am mentalitetis kacs Tqven- Tan? Zalian mikvirs, TviT „korkota” rom ar gyavdaT politsa- bWoSi. _ es SixiaSvili ki ara, nebismieri, igive burjanaZe an sxva rodesac iyvnen „nacionalur moZraoba- Si”, undodaT Tu ar undodaT, partiuli ideologiis marwuxebSi iyvnen da undodaT Tu ar undodaT, qveynis Senebis procesSi monawileobdnen. Semdeg gairkva, rom zogierTi, vinc enm-dan wavida, 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com `Cven isev davkargavT wlebs, rogorc vkargavT 2012 wlis Semdeg. Cveni saxelmwifos warumateblobis mizezi aris `qarTuli ocneba~ da biZina ivaniSvili. salome zurabiSvili ras ityvis, magas ar aqvs mniSvneloba, mniSvneloba aqvs imas, rom es xelisufleba arafers akeTebda mTeli es 6 weliwadi: arc nato-Si integraciis kuTxiT, arc evrokavSirTan urTierTobis Camoyalibebaze, qveyanaSi saerTaSoriso meqanizmebis danergvaze, rom Cven globalur ekonomikur sistemaSi CavrTuliyaviT. mokled, imis Tqma minda, am qveynis problema salome zurabiSvili ki ara, `qarTuli ocnebaa~ Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT. rogorc ki `qarTuli ocneba~dasruldeba Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT, salome zurabiSvili, sulac rom prezidenti iyos, aranairi fasi ar eqneba mis arc erT sityvas da im dRidan daiwyeba Zalian swrafi da srulmasStabiani svla Cveni qveynis teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenisken~ ruseTis specsamsaxurebTan Tanam- Sromlobda Cveni qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdegod. _ am gadasaxedidan mudam Cndeba kiTxva, _ maSinve ruseTis in- teresebs emsaxurebodnen da ubralod SeniRbulebi iyvnen, Tu Semdeg gadaibires? _ magas ver gaigeb, orive Sei- Zleba, namdvilad ver gamovricxav `grigol vaSaZe aris pirovneba, romelsac SeuZlia Cveni qveynis interesebis dacva, maT Soris, teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis kuTxiT, rac Cven gvadardebs da gvaSfoTebs salome zurabiSvilis ritorikaSi, rom saqarTveloa 2008 wlis omis damnaSave. swored amis sapirispiro iqneba grigol vaSaZe. ai, risi gafuWebac SeuZlia zurabiSvils prezidentobisas da gveSinia, rom raRacas daazianebs, swored imas gaamyarebs da ufro maRal rangSi aiyvans vaSaZe~ verafers, magram rodesac mtkicebulebebi ar arsebobs, aseT raRacas veravisze ityvi. faqtia, rom vidre „nacionaluri moZraobis” rigebSi iyvnen, namdvilad emor- Cilebodnen im koniunqturas, im ideologias, im miznebsa da miswrafebebs, rac partias hqonda. rogorc ki datoves partia, gafu- Wdnen. an jer gafuWdnen da amitom datoves partia. rac Seexeba SixiaSvils... Cven Zalian bevri Tanamedrove kinto gvyavs, romelic Coxa-axaluxSi gaxveuli dadis, erT-erTi prezidentobasac apirebs, vasaZeze vsaubrob. es kintoebi emociebze TamaSoben da, samwuxarod, Cvens saxelmwifoSi arian adamianebi, viszedac Wris es blefi. erTgvari Soua, romelsac Tavisi mayurebeli hyavs. am SouSi zogi klouni Coxas Caicvams, zogi muxlebze daemxoba. maTze saubari drois fuWad kargvaa, isini arafers warmoadgenen. verafers Secvlian verasodes am qveynis politikur cxovrebaSi. sul rom SixiaSvilebis jgufi movides xelisuflebaSi, TviTon SixiaSvili mainc darCeba raRac TviTmmarTvelobis Sua rgolSi da ufro mets mas aravin andobs. _ piradad Tqven ras miiCnevT gaerTianebuli opoziciis kandidat grigol vaSaZis Zlier mx- ared? _ pirvel rigSi, misi Zlieri mxare aris is, rom mas ar aqvs susti mxare. nebismieri TvalsazrisiT igi yvela sxva konkurent kandidatze dawinaurebulia, Tan bevrad. aravin daobs mis ganaTlebaze, mis maRal profesionalizmze. me piradad momiwia sagareo saqme- Ta saministroSi muSaoba misi ministrobisas, maT Soris, omis drosac da Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi, rogor SeuZlia mas ise Caataros procesi, rom uklebliv yvela erovnuli interesis gatareba SeZlos. gasaTvaliswinebelia misi ojaxic. misi meuRle yovelTvis iyo Cveni qveynis Rirseuli elCi msoflioSi. nino ananiaSvili msoflio rangis varskvlavia da mas yovelTvis gahqonda Cveni qveynis saxeli yvelgan. grigol vaSaZe aris pirovneba, romelsac SeuZlia Cveni qveynis interesebis dacva, maT Soris, teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis kuTxiT, rac Cven gvadardebs da gvaSfoTebs salome zurabiSvilis ritorikaSi, rom saqarTveloa 2008 wlis omis damnaSave. swored amis sapirispiro iqneba grigol vaSaZe. ai, risi gafuWebac SeuZlia zurabiSvils prezidentobisas da gve- Sinia, rom raRacas daazianebs, swored imas gaamyarebs da ufro ma- Ral rangSi aiyvans vaSaZe. Cven gvWirdeba demokratis niRabs amofarebul biZina ivaniSvilis ganeitraleba, biZina ivaniSvilis, romelic aTas sazizRrobas sCadis da yovel wuTs gvatyuebs. Tundac bolo interviu rom aviRioT, Turme, axla gaigo, rom saqarTveloSi mZime ekonomikuri situaciaa da amis mere ramdenime dRe Zalian cudad iyo. romlis gjeraT, axla, rom gaigo, ekonomika aris cud mdgomareobaSi, Tu imis, ramdenime dRe rom cudad iyo amis gamo? iciT, ra aris ZiriTadi gansxvaveba massa da saakaSvils Soris? _ saakaSvili erTaderTi funqciiT iRviZebda, misi erTaderTi funqcia iyo qveynis ganviTareba, mas saqarTvelos garda sxva Tama- Si ar hqonda, biZina ivaniSvilis SemTxvevaSi, saqarTvelo aris misi erT-erTi saTamaSo. mas sxva areali aqvs, am TamaSebSia gazpromi, misi fuli, ruseTSi misi urTier- Tobebi, saqarTvelo da ai, am ramdenime saTamaSos gadanacvlebiT da kombinaciiT TamaSobs asboluturad sxva TamaSs da misTvis mea- Texarisxovania saqarTvelos ganvi- Tareba, Tundac teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgena, ekonomikuri gaZliereba da a. S. esaa gansxvaveba biZina ivanSvilsa da Cven Soris, CvenTvis mTavari amocanaa am qveynis ganviTareba; misTvis mTavari amocanaa Tavisi TamaSis mogeba. gvayvedrian, kandidati ar wamovayeneTo. ar hyavT da vin unda wamoeyenebinaT, amixseni? vin hyavT iseTi, visac moekiTxeba Wkua, vinc gazavebulia patriotizmiT, im grZnobiT, rom es qveyana realurad sofeli ki ar aris, SeuZlia gaxdes globaluri moTamaSe, misi teritoriuli zomis miuxedavad. Cvenze pataraa holandia, belgia, Sveicaria, magram isini Zlieri moTamaSeebi arian. Zalian Tavisuflad SeuZlia saqarTvelos igive rolis Sesruleba globalur politikaSi. N27 (248) 14.08-4.09.2018 w. 19
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