qronika+248

danergvaze, rom Cven globalur
ekonomikur sistemaSi CavrTuliyaviT.
mokled, imis Tqma minda, am
qveynis problema salome zurabiSvili
ki ara, „qarTuli ocnebaa”
Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT. rogorc
ki „qarTuli ocneba” dasruldeba
Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT, salome
zurabiSvili, sulac rom prezidenti
iyos, aranairi fasi ar eqneba
mis arc erT sityvas da im dRidan
daiwyeba Zalian swrafi da
srulmasStabiani svla Cveni qveynis
teritoriuli mTlianobis
aRdgenisken.
_ am arCevnebze imdeni proru-
si saprezidento kandidati
gvyavs, mgoni, marTla ramdenime
ruseTi arsebobs. riT aris es
gamowveuli, _ sxvadasxva rusuli
wre sxvadasxva kandidatze debs
fsons? Cveni opoziciisa ar iyos,
ratom ver Sejerda ruseTi erT
kandidatze?
_ aranairi ori da ramdenime
ruseTi ar arsebobs, namdviald
erTi ruseTi arsebobs, romlis
saTaveSi dgas putini, romelic
ssrk-s dangrevas Riad miiCnevs XX
saukunis geopolitikur katastrofad
da mTeli misi alisxmeva
mimarTulia iqiTken, rom raRacnairad
moaxerxos ssrk-s reinkarnireba
da misadageba TanamedroveobasTan.
iswrafvis, rom ruseTis
istoriaSi Sevides, rogorc „miwebis
Semgrovebeli”. rac Seexeba
imas, rom ramdenime prorusi kandidatia,
kastingia Cveulebrivi
gamocxadebuli, ruseTs yovelTvis
hyavs meore-mesame rigis moTamaSeebi.
ratom arsebobs burjanaZe?
imitom, rom Tu CamoiSleba da
Camoingreva ivaniSvili, misi alternativa
arsebobdes. Tavis mxriv,
„patriotTa aliansi” SeiZleba
moviazroT, rogorc burjanaZis
alternativa da a. S. ruseTs
yovelTvis awyobs areuloba, mas
ar sWirdeba saqarTveloSi konkretuli
da gawerili politikuri
koniunqtura. dRes es aris, xval is
iqneba, zeg burjanaZe mova. rac
ufro meti iqneba areuloba, rac
ufro didi iqneba gaurkvevloba,
miT ufro xelsayreli viTareba
iqneba ruseTisTvis.
_ „patriota aliansi” axseneT
da axla Cven vnaxeT erT dros
Tqveni Tanapartieli, „nacionali”
SixiaSvili, rogor darbis CoxaSi
gamowyobili aRmaSenebelze. gas-
agebia, rom Tqveni partiis wevri
aRaraa, magram roca iyo, ra undoda
am mentalitetis kacs Tqven-
Tan? Zalian mikvirs, TviT „korkota”
rom ar gyavdaT politsa-
bWoSi.
_ es SixiaSvili ki ara, nebismieri,
igive burjanaZe an sxva rodesac
iyvnen „nacionalur moZraoba-
Si”, undodaT Tu ar undodaT, partiuli
ideologiis marwuxebSi
iyvnen da undodaT Tu ar undodaT,
qveynis Senebis procesSi monawileobdnen.
Semdeg gairkva, rom
zogierTi, vinc enm-dan wavida,
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com
`Cven isev davkargavT wlebs, rogorc
vkargavT 2012 wlis Semdeg. Cveni
saxelmwifos warumateblobis mizezi
aris `qarTuli ocneba~ da biZina
ivaniSvili. salome zurabiSvili ras
ityvis, magas ar aqvs mniSvneloba,
mniSvneloba aqvs imas, rom es
xelisufleba arafers akeTebda mTeli
es 6 weliwadi: arc nato-Si integraciis
kuTxiT, arc evrokavSirTan
urTierTobis Camoyalibebaze, qveyanaSi
saerTaSoriso meqanizmebis danergvaze,
rom Cven globalur ekonomikur
sistemaSi CavrTuliyaviT. mokled, imis
Tqma minda, am qveynis problema salome
zurabiSvili ki ara, `qarTuli ocnebaa~
Tavisi biZina ivaniSviliT. rogorc ki
`qarTuli ocneba~dasruldeba Tavisi
biZina ivaniSviliT, salome
zurabiSvili, sulac rom prezidenti
iyos, aranairi fasi ar eqneba mis arc
erT sityvas da im dRidan daiwyeba
Zalian swrafi da srulmasStabiani
svla Cveni qveynis teritoriuli
mTlianobis aRdgenisken~
ruseTis specsamsaxurebTan Tanam-
Sromlobda Cveni qveynis interesebis
sawinaaRmdegod.
_ am gadasaxedidan mudam Cndeba
kiTxva, _ maSinve ruseTis in-
teresebs emsaxurebodnen da
ubralod SeniRbulebi iyvnen, Tu
Semdeg gadaibires?
_ magas ver gaigeb, orive Sei-
Zleba, namdvilad ver gamovricxav
`grigol vaSaZe aris
pirovneba, romelsac
SeuZlia Cveni qveynis
interesebis dacva, maT
Soris, teritoriuli
mTlianobis aRdgenis
kuTxiT, rac Cven
gvadardebs da gvaSfoTebs
salome zurabiSvilis
ritorikaSi, rom
saqarTveloa 2008 wlis
omis damnaSave. swored
amis sapirispiro iqneba
grigol vaSaZe. ai, risi
gafuWebac SeuZlia
zurabiSvils
prezidentobisas da
gveSinia, rom raRacas
daazianebs, swored imas
gaamyarebs da ufro maRal
rangSi aiyvans vaSaZe~
verafers, magram rodesac mtkicebulebebi
ar arsebobs, aseT raRacas
veravisze ityvi. faqtia, rom
vidre „nacionaluri moZraobis”
rigebSi iyvnen, namdvilad emor-
Cilebodnen im koniunqturas, im
ideologias, im miznebsa da miswrafebebs,
rac partias hqonda.
rogorc ki datoves partia, gafu-
Wdnen. an jer gafuWdnen da amitom
datoves partia. rac Seexeba
SixiaSvils... Cven Zalian bevri Tanamedrove
kinto gvyavs, romelic
Coxa-axaluxSi gaxveuli dadis,
erT-erTi prezidentobasac apirebs,
vasaZeze vsaubrob. es kintoebi
emociebze TamaSoben da, samwuxarod,
Cvens saxelmwifoSi arian
adamianebi, viszedac Wris es blefi.
erTgvari Soua, romelsac Tavisi
mayurebeli hyavs. am SouSi zogi
klouni Coxas Caicvams, zogi
muxlebze daemxoba. maTze saubari
drois fuWad kargvaa, isini arafers
warmoadgenen. verafers Secvlian
verasodes am qveynis politikur
cxovrebaSi. sul rom SixiaSvilebis
jgufi movides xelisuflebaSi,
TviTon SixiaSvili mainc
darCeba raRac TviTmmarTvelobis
Sua rgolSi da ufro mets mas
aravin andobs.
_ piradad Tqven ras miiCnevT
gaerTianebuli opoziciis kandidat
grigol vaSaZis Zlier mx-
ared?
_ pirvel rigSi, misi Zlieri
mxare aris is, rom mas ar aqvs susti
mxare. nebismieri TvalsazrisiT
igi yvela sxva konkurent kandidatze
dawinaurebulia, Tan bevrad.
aravin daobs mis ganaTlebaze,
mis maRal profesionalizmze.
me piradad momiwia sagareo saqme-
Ta saministroSi muSaoba misi ministrobisas,
maT Soris, omis drosac
da Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi,
rogor SeuZlia mas ise Caataros
procesi, rom uklebliv yvela
erovnuli interesis gatareba SeZlos.
gasaTvaliswinebelia misi
ojaxic. misi meuRle yovelTvis
iyo Cveni qveynis Rirseuli elCi
msoflioSi. nino ananiaSvili msoflio
rangis varskvlavia da mas
yovelTvis gahqonda Cveni qveynis
saxeli yvelgan.
grigol vaSaZe aris pirovneba,
romelsac SeuZlia Cveni qveynis
interesebis dacva, maT Soris, teritoriuli
mTlianobis aRdgenis
kuTxiT, rac Cven gvadardebs da
gvaSfoTebs salome zurabiSvilis
ritorikaSi, rom saqarTveloa 2008
wlis omis damnaSave. swored amis
sapirispiro iqneba grigol vaSaZe.
ai, risi gafuWebac SeuZlia zurabiSvils
prezidentobisas da gve-
Sinia, rom raRacas daazianebs, swored
imas gaamyarebs da ufro ma-
Ral rangSi aiyvans vaSaZe.
Cven gvWirdeba demokratis
niRabs amofarebul biZina ivaniSvilis
ganeitraleba, biZina ivaniSvilis,
romelic aTas sazizRrobas
sCadis da yovel wuTs gvatyuebs.
Tundac bolo interviu rom aviRioT,
Turme, axla gaigo, rom saqarTveloSi
mZime ekonomikuri situaciaa
da amis mere ramdenime
dRe Zalian cudad iyo. romlis
gjeraT, axla, rom gaigo, ekonomika
aris cud mdgomareobaSi, Tu
imis, ramdenime dRe rom cudad iyo
amis gamo? iciT, ra aris ZiriTadi
gansxvaveba massa da saakaSvils Soris?
_ saakaSvili erTaderTi funqciiT
iRviZebda, misi erTaderTi
funqcia iyo qveynis ganviTareba,
mas saqarTvelos garda sxva Tama-
Si ar hqonda, biZina ivaniSvilis
SemTxvevaSi, saqarTvelo aris misi
erT-erTi saTamaSo. mas sxva areali
aqvs, am TamaSebSia gazpromi,
misi fuli, ruseTSi misi urTier-
Tobebi, saqarTvelo da ai, am ramdenime
saTamaSos gadanacvlebiT
da kombinaciiT TamaSobs asboluturad
sxva TamaSs da misTvis mea-
Texarisxovania saqarTvelos ganvi-
Tareba, Tundac teritoriuli
mTlianobis aRdgena, ekonomikuri
gaZliereba da a. S.
esaa gansxvaveba biZina ivanSvilsa
da Cven Soris, CvenTvis mTavari
amocanaa am qveynis ganviTareba;
misTvis mTavari amocanaa Tavisi
TamaSis mogeba. gvayvedrian, kandidati
ar wamovayeneTo. ar hyavT da
vin unda wamoeyenebinaT, amixseni?
vin hyavT iseTi, visac moekiTxeba
Wkua, vinc gazavebulia patriotizmiT,
im grZnobiT, rom es qveyana
realurad sofeli ki ar aris,
SeuZlia gaxdes globaluri moTamaSe,
misi teritoriuli zomis miuxedavad.
Cvenze pataraa holandia,
belgia, Sveicaria, magram isini
Zlieri moTamaSeebi arian. Zalian
Tavisuflad SeuZlia saqarTvelos
igive rolis Sesruleba globalur
politikaSi.
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