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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`nacionaluri moZraoba~bolo erTi Tvea, didi da pa-giorgi abaSiZetara 19 wlis fexburTelis,giorgi SaqaraSvilis dRemde bu-rusiT mocul mkvlelobaze saubrobs da gasakviri araa, romam tragediam politikuri dRis wesrigic Secvala, Tumca amismiuxedavad, politikur kuluarebSi procesebi duRs. ai, ma-galiTad, axlaxan cnobili gaxda, rom Ss yofili ministri,vano merabiSvili, romelmac sapatimroSi Svidi weli gaatara,saqarTvelos mesame prezident mixeil saakaSvils Sexvda. gavr-celebuli informaciiT, am Sexvedraze yofili mTavariprokurori zurab adeiSvilic imyofeboda.raze isaubres yofilma mmar-Tvelebma? _ amis Sesaxeb danamd-vilebiT arfris Tqma SegviZlia,radgan Sexvedris Taobaze saaka-Svilma „feisbuqis” sakuTargverdze mxolod foto gamo-aqveyna, romelzedac saakaSvilis,merabiSvilisa da adeiSvilisgarda Canan: evrosabWos saparlamentoasambleis ukrainis delegaciisxelmZRvanelebi liza ias-ko, dimitri gordoni, alesiabacmani, Tbilisis yofili vice-meri giorgi cxakaia, yofilideputati petre ciskariSvilida ukrainis erovnuli antikorufciulibiuros xelmZRvanelispirveli moadgile gizo ugu-lava. paralelurad, vrceldebainformacia, rom „nacionalurmamoZraobam” SesaZloa, „Zala er-TobaSia” datovos, Tumca „qron-ika+~-sTan saubrisas yofilimmarTveli partiis politsabWoswevri zurab meliqiSvili am in-formacias ar adasturebs.ratomaadarwmunebuliopozicia, rom wlevandelarCevnebSi „ocneba” aucilebladdamarcxdeba? _ am da sxva Teme-bis Sesaxeb „qronika+”-ma zurabmeliqiSvilTan interviu Cawera,romelTan saubaric, rasakvirvelia,giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkv-lelobiT daviwyeT:_ batono zurab, SaqaraSvilissaqmeze ras fiqrobT?_ esaa tragedia, romelmacmTeli qveyana da sazogadoebaunda daafiqros. am tragediamgvaCvena, rom mozardi, romelicquCaSi gadis, didi albaTobiT,msxverpli an moZalade xdeba! eski im ganukiTxaobis Sedegia, romelicdRes saqarTveloSia daromelic, pirdapir Tu iribad,axlandelma xelisuflebam daamkvidra!_ 2012 wlis Semdeg araerTimsgavsi tragedia moxda, maTSoris, maCalikaSvilis, saraliZisaTu siraZis, Tumca SaqaraS-vilis qeisi mainc precedentu-lia. amas riT xsniT?_ geTanxmebiT, magram SaqaraSvilistragedia imaze metyvelebs,rac qveyanaSi xdeba. sxvaTa Soris,SemTxveviT ar miTqvams, rom mozardi,romelic quCaSi gadis, didialbaTobiT, msxverpli an moZaladexdeba. amitom yvelafer amazemxolod ki ar unda davfiqrdeT,aramed seriozuladac unda vimoqmedoT,raTa is Sedegi ar mivi-RoT, rac saqarTveloSi 90-ianwlebSi xdeboda._ e. i., Tqvenc, rogorc mSo-bels, gaqvT SiSi da gancda, romquCaSi gasul Tqvens Svils Sesa-Zloa, safrTxe daemuqros?_ ra Tqma unda. aseTi gancdamxolod me ki ara, saqarTvelosnebismier moqalaqes aqvs!saerTod, politikuri oponentebismier politikuri SefasebebierTia, magram meorea realoba,romelic qveyanaSi arsebobs. diax,suraTi aseTia _ viRac xeldafarebulia,viRac ki daucvelia!_ batono zurab, raki 90-ianiwlebi axseneT, gkiTxavT: xom arfiqrobT, rom e. w. qurduli men-talitetis romantizeba xdebada yvelafer amis gaTvaliswinebiTsaakaSvilis „nulovani tol-erantoba” gamarTlebuli iyo?_ iciT, realurad ra xdeba?_ ra?_ Zaladoba „mosula”, anu Zaladobaxeldafarebulia. amas kimTeli sazogadoeba unda SeewinaaRmdegos!SaqaraSvilis gardacvalebaerTi ojaxis ki ara,mTeli qveynis tragediaa!_ geTanxmebiT, magram oponir-eba unda gagiwioT, batonozurab: Tqven im partiis warmo-madgeneli da politsabWos wevrixarT, romlis xelisuflebaSiyofnis drosac araerTi trage-dia moxda. gavixsenoT, Tundac,girgvlianis mkvleloba. hoda,maSinac ase fiqrobdiT, rom yve-laferi es erTi ojaxis ki ara,mTeli qveynis tragedia iyo?_ xazgasmiT vambob: Cemi naTqvamiim garemos exeba, romelicbolo 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi Seiqmna,anu Zaladoba waxalisebuli daxeldafarebulia. metic: xelisuflebaZaladobas sakuTari politikuriupiratesobisTvis iyenebs.amitom moZaladeebi im saqmeebSi,rasac akeTeben, xeldafarebasiTxoven! Cven politikuri periodebiki ar unda SevadaroT,aramed arsebul gamowvevebze undavisaubroT! diax, simarTleisaa, rom mozards ori Sansi aqvs_ an msxverpli unda gaxdes, an _moZalade! amis Semdeg visac unda,iseTi Sefaseba gaakeTos! bolodros momxdari tragediebi mTeliqveynisa da mosaxleobis gamowvevaa!_ geTanxmebiT, rom am moja-doebul wres rogorme Tavi undadavaRwioT, magram Tavis drozeambobdnen, „nacionaluri moZr-aobis”, rogorc mmarTveli Zalisdasasruli „girgvlianis saqmiT”daiwyoo. SesaZloa, am ori saq-mis Sedareba ar SeiZleba, magramxom ar fiqrobT, rom „SaqaraSvi-lis saqme” „ocnebis” dasasrulisdasawyisi iqneba?_ am SemTxvevaSi arc „naciona-zurab meliqiSvili:`SaqaraSvilistragedia imganukiTxaobisSedegia, romelic`ocnebam~daamkvidra!~lur moZraobaze” vfiqrob daarc „ocnebaze” vdardob! ubralod,im garemoze vsaubrob, racCvens qveyanaSia! xalxo, es saxelmwifosdegradaciis dasawyisia!adamianisTvis yvelaze sanukvariSvilia, anu misTvis wvalobs daSromobs, raTa normalur garemo-Si icxovros, magram axla Cvenimomavali Taoba im ori saSiSroebiswinaSe dgas, romelic weRangiTxariT. aqedan gamomdinare,yvelafer amis politikur partiebamdedayvana sworad ar mimaCnia!xelisuflebaSi myofma politikurmaZalam keTili inebos daam viTarebis Sesacvlelad politikurineba gamoavlinos, magram„ocneba” piriqiT iqceva._ Tqveni mZafri Sefasebebismiuxedavad, sazogadoebis umetesobamainc „ocnebas” uWers mx-ars. yovel SemTxvevaSi, „edisonriserCis” gamokiTxvis mixedviT,romelic „formulam” axlaxangaasajarova, yvelaze didi ndo-ba mmarTvel gunds aqvs. amas riTxsniT, batono zurab?_ sazogadoeba „qarTul ocnebas”31 oqtombers gascems pasuxs,rasac Tqvenc dainaxavT damec, anu es gadawyvetileba sazogadoebasmiRebuli aqvs, TumcasakuTari azris xmamaRladafiqsireba jer kidev didi safrTxisSemcvelia._ sakuTari azris sajarodgamoxatva safrTxis Semcveliratomaa?_ „ocnebis” xelisufleba adamianebzesamsaxuridan gaSvebiT,maTi axloblebis daWeriTa TumuqariT moqmedebs. am viTarebaSisazogadoebis realuri ganwyoba`erT rames xazs vusvam: baton giorgi vaSaZesSesaZloa, garkveuli mosazrebebi aqvs da eskonkretulad misi mosazrebebia. `nacionalurmoZraobas~ ki, rogorc `Zala erTobaSias~wevrs, is mosazrebebi da Rirebulebebi aqvs,romelic Tavidanve gaJRerda da Cven am gzasZalian mtkiced mivyvebiT!~kvlevebSi, ra Tqma unda, ar aisaxeba,Tumca weRandeli Tqmisa ariyos, mosaxleobas gadawyvetilebamiRebuli aqvs, romelsac 31oqtombers gaaxmovanebs!_ davuSvaT, asea, magram axlan-deli da 2012 wlis winasaarCevnoviTareba gansxvavebulia, anu ma-Sin amomrCevelma icoda, rom „na-cionaluri moZraoba” „ocnebiT”unda Seecvala, axla ki opoziciismimarT ar mgonia, aseTi ndo-ba arsebobdes, miT umetes, imfonze, roca „antiocnebelebis”banakSi erTmaneTs kvants ude-ben... ai, magaliTad, kuluaruliinformaciiT, „Zala erTobaSia”ver Camoyalibda, arCevnebzerogor gamovides..._ raki gainteresebT, getyviT:„Zala erTobaSia” pirovnebebisgamarjvebisa da maTi TanamdebobebisTvisar Seqmnila!_ ukacravad, Tanamdebobebira SuaSia?_ „Zala erTobaSia” qarTvelixalxis gamarjvebisTvis Seiqmna!Cven am principebs ar vRalatobT!metic: Zalian male „Zala er-TobaSias” kidev ramdenime politikuripartia SemouerTdeba!_ anu „nacionaluri moZrao-ba” am platformas ar datovebs?_ „nacionalurma moZraobam” isgaerTianeba rogor unda datovos,romelic misi iniciativiTada mis garSemo Seiqmna?_ batono zurab, Tqven xomCemze ukeT iciT, rom igive „na-cionaluri moZraoba” giorgivaSaZis gunds upirispirdeba?_ aranairi dapirispireba araa!erT rames xazs vusvam: batongiorgi vaSaZes SesaZloa, garkveulimosazrebebi aqvs da es konkretuladmisi mosazrebebia. „nacionalurmoZraobas” ki, rogorc„Zala erTobaSias” wevrs, is mosazrebebida Rirebulebebi aqvs,romelic Tavidanve gaJRerda daCven am gzas Zalian mtkiced mivyvebiT!aqedan gamomdinare, „nacionalurimoZraoba” „Zala er-TobaSias” araTu ar, aramed vercdatovebs _ es gamoricxulia!mokled, „Zala erTobaSia” kidevufro gaZlierdeba da amas Zalian1010 N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`Zala erTobaSias~ ar datovebs!~male gaigebT!_ kargi, magram 2018 wlis sap-rezidento arCevnebis win „ZalaerTobaSias” wevrma partiebmamemorandumi gaaformeT, romlisTanaxmadac saparlamento arCevnebzeerTiani siiT unda gamox-videT. es SeTanxmeba ZalaSia?_ diax, Cven am memorandumiserTgulebi varT!_ e. i., „Zala erTobaSias” er-Tiani sia eqneba?_ vimeoreb: Cven am memorandumiserTgulebi varT da amasZalian male dainaxavT! is, rombevrs ar vlaparakobT, es imas arniSnavs, rom im nabijebsa da gadawyvetilebebsar mivdevT, romelicTavis droze gadavdgiT dmiviReT!_ Tu „Zala erTobaSias” romelimepolitikuri subieqti da-tovebs, amiT xalxs erTianobisgancda aRar eqneba. arada, amomrCevlismTavari SekveTa, dameT-anxmeT, rom swored erTianobaa!_ diax, magram geubnebiT, rom„Zala erTobaSias” kidev bevripartia daemateba._ SeiZleba, magram mTavaria,iseTi partia daematos, romelsacgavlena aqvs, Torem erT-orkaciani partiis Semomateba raxeirs mogcemT?_ „Zala erTobaSia” erTadyofnis iZulebiTi ki ara, gamarjvebisaucilebeli modelia! yvelasmivesalmebiT, visac surviliaqvs, rom „Zala erTobaSias” formatSiiyos, magram Tu vinmes sxvamocemuloba da amocana eqneba,esec bunebrivi iqneba._ bunebrivi ratom iqneba?_ es cocxali organizmia dayvelaferi urTierTSeTanxmebissafuZvelze xdeba da ara _ imis,rom vinme SesaZloa, vinmeze nawyeniiyos._ batono zurab, Tu isemoxdeba, rom arCevnebSi „ocneba”40-procentamde aiRebs, TqveniazriT, opoziciaSi xom ar gamoCndebianpartiebi, romelTa dax-marebiTac ivaniSvilis gundi saparlamentoumravlesobas Seqm-nis da, Sesabamisad, mTavrobasacisev Tavad daakompleqtebs?_ msgavss sakiTxebs cota ufromasStaburad da Soridan vuyureb._ anu?_ daSveba da albaToba, ra Tqmaunda, yvelafris SeiZleba daTqveni kiTxvac sruliad legitimuria,Tumca mTavari mainc sazogadoebriviganwyobaa, anu sazogadoebammiiRo gadawyvetileba,rom „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSiaRar unda iyos.aqedan gamomdinare, Tu romelimepolitikuri partia gadawyvets,rom „ocnebas” iq gahyves, sadacmisi gzaa, es am partiis arCevaniiqneba, Tumca garwmunebT, rommsgavsi mmarTveloba SesaZloa,Zalian mcire albaTobiT iqnasdaSvebuli!_ partia „kanoni da samarTlis”lideri Riad da daufara-vad ambobs, rom „evropulisaqarTvelo” fsevdoopoziciaa.Tqven ras fiqrobT?_ yvelas, gansakuTrebiT,opoziciaSi movuwodeb, rom piradiwyena gadados! dRes yvelazemTavari sazogadoebis ganwyobisSesabamisad moqmedebaa! sazogadoebisganwyoba ki isaa, rom arsebuliganukiTxavi, arafrismomcemida damangreveli periodiunda dasruldes. momaval nebismierkoaliciur mTavrobas saqar-Tvelos mosaxleoba, ase vTqvaT,daalagebs. am dalagebis pirvelniSnebs ki 31 oqtombers davinaxavT!_ am „dalagebaSi” gadamwyvetiroli mixeil saakaSvils eqneba,romelic cxadia, mniSvnelovanifaqtoria?_ mixeil saakaSvili faqtorimxolod saqarTveloSi ki ara,ufro did masStabzea, rasac yvelanivxedavT. aqedan gamomdinare,saqarTvelos politikaSi misiroli Zalian didia da aseve is„nacionalur moZraobasTanac”pirdapir kavSirSia!_ batono zurab, ramdenimedRis win saakaSvils vano merabiSviliSexvda. Ss yofili ministrispolitikuri gaaqtiure-ba „nacionalur moZraobaze”N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.`Zala erTobaSia~ erTad yofnis iZulebiTi ki ara, gamarjvebis aucilebelimodelia! yvelas mivesalmebiT, visac survili aqvs, rom `Zala erTobaSias~formatSi iyos, magram Tu vinmes sxva mocemuloba da amocana eqneba, esecbunebrivi iqneba~cudad xom ar imoqmedebs?_ jer erTi, Zalian kargi, romsaakaSvils Sexvda. meorec, merabiSvilmacudad ratom unda imoqmedos?is ivaniSvilma Svidi wlisganmavlobaSi cixeSi Casva da es,sxvaTa Soris, im saqarTveloSimoxda, romlis dangrevisa dagadawvisTvis arc erTi Tanamdebobispiri arc erT xelisuflebascixeSi ar gauSvia! vano merabiSviliki samagaliTod dasajes _ isivaniSvilis piradi patimari iyo!_ ivaniSvil-merabiSvilis ur-TierTobaze ki ara, xalxis ganw-yobaze gkiTxeT, anu xalxs jerkidev ar daviwyebia, rom merabiSvilisSs ministrobis dros qvey-anaSi bevri cudi moxda..._ Tqven xom saakaSvilisa da merabiSvilisSexvedraze mkiTxeT?_ ufro konkretulad imazegkiTxeT, merabiSvilis polit-gaaqtiureba „nacmoZraobaze”cudad xom ar imoqmedebs-meTqi?_ cudad ratom unda imoqmedos?_ kiTxvas sxvanairad dagisvamT:romelime regionSi merabiSvili„nacmoZraobis” maJori-`maJoritarobis kandidati vin iqneba da vin -ara, dagvitoveT ufleba, rom es informaciapartiam Tavis droze gaavrcelos. opoziciiserTianobis principidan gamomdinare, CvenTbilisis maJoritarobis ori kandidaturadavasaxeleT. yvela sxva kandidats ki Zalianmale warvadgenT!~tarobis kandidati iqneba?_ maJoritarobis kandidativin iqneba da vin _ ara, dagvitoveTufleba, rom es informaciapartiam Tavis droze gaavrcelos.opoziciis erTianobisprincipidan gamomdinare, CvenTbilisis maJoritarobis ori kandidaturadavasaxeleT. yvelasxva kandidats ki Zalian malewarvadgenT!_ Tbilisis maJoritarebzeunda CagekiTxoT: saburTaloze„nacionaluri moZraoba” TakoCarkvianis kandidaturas ratomar uWers mxars?_ „nacionalurma moZraobam”Tbilisis maJoritarebis kandidatebileiboristebis ofisSiarsebuli opoziciis formatiTwarvadgineT. es kandidatebi nikamelia da levan xabeiSvili arian._ es vici, batono zurab, magramTu ise moxda, rom arCevneb-Si mainc „ocnebam” gaimarjva,opozicia ras izams? anu Tu isscenari gaTamaSda, romliTac2018 wlis saprezidento arCev-nebis meore turi salome zur-abiSvilma moigo, opozicias rameqanizmebi gaqvT, rom gayalbe-ba ar dauSvaT?_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom 2018wlis saprezidento arCevnebigadamwyveti ar yofila._ amas ratom ambobT?_ yvelam icoda, rom erTiprezidenti verafers ganaxorcielebda.sxvaTa Soris, rocabiZina ivaniSvili prezidentis institutssajarod da saxalxodakritikebda, es ise aRiqmeboda,rom giorgi margvelaSvils TiTqoswyenas ar patiobda. sinamdvileSiki ivaniSvils sxva ramehqonda Cafiqrebuli._ ra?_ ivaniSvils undoda, yvelaferamiT xalxisTvis daenaxvebina,rom prezidentis institutiarafers warmoadgens da prezidentobisTvisbrZola, ubralod,fuWi da wyalSi gadayrili iyo.aqedan gamomdinare, is Sedegidadga, romelic dadga. 2020 wlissaparlamento arCevnebi ki gadamwyvetiada am gadamwyvet arCevnebzeyvelafers bolomde gamoviyenebT._ anu?_ Cven gayalbebis winaaRmdegaraerTi meqanizmi gvaqvs da yvelaferamis prezentacias siurprizissaxiT SemogTavazebT! mokled,„nacionaluri moZraoba” da,saerTod, mTeli opozicia imisTvisvemzadebiT, rom am arCevnebzexalxis ganwyobis Sesabamisi Sedegidadges!_ vnaxoT, ra moxdeba, TumcaerTic unda gkiTxoT: asea Tuise, faqtia _ korona „ocnebis”mokavSired iqca, miT ufro, rommeore talRas elodebian daswored am niadagze xelisuflebamkoronaSezRudvebis SemoRebisufleba wlis bolomde gaix-angrZliva..._ korona „qarTuli ocnebis”mokavSire ar gamxdara! „ocnebis”mokavSire koronas SiSi iyo, Tumcaisic garkveuli periodis ganmavlobaSi.dRes es SiSi xalxmadaZlia, anu icis, rom korona ganaCeniaraa. ise, ratom ggoniaT,rom „ocnebam” korona mokavSiredgaixada? _ ra, vinmem rame daxmarebamiiRo, vinmes samsaxuriSesTavazes Tu mas, vinc samuSaodakarga, rame benefiti misces?mas Semdeg, rac sammiliardiandaxmarebaze Tanxmoba miiRo, „ocnebam”garkveuli danapirebi gasca,magram am danapirebis miRma 2milion 700 aTasi moqalaqe dar-Ca! Tqven ki imaze saubrobT, romkorona SeiZleba, „ocnebis”mokavSired iyos aRqmuli?„ocnebam” SiSi gamoiyena, anusxvebs aSinebda, TviTon ki Zaliancudad iqceoda. ai, magaliTad,gveubnebodnen, rom avtomqanaSiwin jdoma danaSauli iyo da amisgamo adamianebs 3 aTasiT ajarimebdnen.am dros ki jandacvisministri wina savarZelze iyo wamoskupebulida gvimtkicebda,sagangebo Stabis xelmZRvanelivar da CemTvis daSvebuliao. e. i.,gvmitkicebdnen, rom Tu manqanaSiwin coli da qmari isxdeboda,korona romelimes ecemoda, magramTu mZRolis gverdiT ministridajdeboda, mas _ ara! amasgarda, gveubnebodnen, manqaniTgadaadgileba ar SeiZleba da fexiTunda iaroTo. am dros ki ma-RalCinosnebi avtomobilebiT dagrialebdnenda amaze fiqrobT,rom sazogadoeba koronas „ocnebis”mokavSired aRiqvams?_ batono zurab, ratom mi-brazdebiT?_ Tqven ki ar gibrazdebiT, imadamianebs mivmarTav, vinc fiqrobs,rom korona xelisuflebismokavSirea! vimeoreb: „ocnebis”mokavSire korona ki ara, koronasSiSi iyo. ise, „ocnebas” marTlahqonda Sansi, rom am pandemiisdros xalxisTvis rame gaekeTebina,magram is saerTaSoriso daxmarebebi,romelic Cvens moqalaqeebsunda mieRoT, iqamde daiyvana,rom saarCevnod misi feodalkandidatebierT litra zeTs,erT kilogram xaxvs daiWeren, mosaxleobasmiadgebian da daibraleben,ai, gexmarebiTo. erTi sityviT,es arCevnebi gadamwyvetiromelime partiisTvis ki ara, qveynisTvisaa!TiToeulma Cvenganmaunda miviRoT gadawyvetileba:saxelmwifo gvinda Tu erTi adamianismosamsaxureebad yofna?!11
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