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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`giorgi SaqaraSvilis ojaxi19 wlis fexburTel giorgigiorgi abaSiZeSaqaraSvilis mkvlelobaze sru-liad sazogadoebas kiTxvebi aqvs.yovel SemTxvevaSi, adamianebis umravlesoba darwmunebulia,rom gamoZieba, minimum, araprofesionalurad mimdinareobs.amasTan, legitimuria eWvi, rom saqmidan mtkicebulebebi mizanmimarTuladimitom qreba da nadgurdeba, viRacas ar awy-obs, sisxliani dabadebis dRis Sesaxeb simarTle dadgindesda gavigoT, vin da ratom imsxverpla giorgi SaqaraSvili?yvela am eWvs isic aZlierebs, rom tragediis erT-erTi figuranti,fotografi iakob bregvaZe, romelsac, ratomRac, daz-aralebulis statusi aqvs, Sss-s pressamsaxuris xelmZRvanelnino giorgobianis mamidaSvilis Svilia.advokati da uflebadamcevlilia muxaSavria Cvens gamocemas-Tan ambobs, rom eWvebis gasafantavadgiorgobianma uflebamosilebadroebiT, anu gamoZiebisdasrulebamde mainc unda Se-iCeros. amas garda Cveni respon-denti ramdenime mniSvnelovandetalzedac amaxvilebs yuradRebas,rac gamoZiebis arakompetenturobasada araprofe-sionalizms usvams xazs.„qronika+~ gTavazobT inter-vius lia muxaSavriasTan:_ qalbatono lia, Cveni saubrismTavari Tema, rasakvirve-lia, narekvavis sisxliani iubileiqneba, Tumca miuxedavad imisa,rom bolo dros kriminalurmaSemTxvevebma moimata, SaqaraSvilismkvleloba mainc gansxvave-buli qeisia _ yvelafers Tavirom davaneboT, gamoZieba, praqtikulad,pirdapir eTerSi mi-dis. Tqven, rogorc gamocdiliiuristi da uflebadamcveli, amsaqmeze ras fiqrobT da, saer-Tod, ra kiTxvebi gaqvT?_ pirvel rigSi, mainteresebs,gamoZieba ratom Wianurdeba daise ratom ar midis, rogorc undamidiodes _ vinmes xels afareben,anu konkretuli piris dainteresebaa,rom saqme mifuCeCdesda Caifarcxos Tu is, rac moxdada xdeba, tradiciulad, arakvalificiurigamoZiebis Sedegia? ise,rom ara Jurnalistebisa da asevesazogadoebis aqtiuroba, essaqmec, rogorc gauxsneli, albaT,Taroze Semoideboda._ sxvaTa Soris, vidre saubarsdaviwyebdiT, erT-erTi telev-iziis eTerSi SaqaraSvilebisojaxis advokatma, mirian ni-kolaZem, romelic gardacvlil19 wlis fexburTels biZadekuTvnis, ganacxada, gamoZiebakargad midiso. metic, batonmanikolaZem ritorikulad ikiTxa,_ ver gamigia, sazogadoebas kiT-xvebi ratom aqvso? dazaralebu-li ojaxis advokatis es pozicianormaluria? da, zogadad, ra-tom fiqrobT, rom gamoZiebaWianurdeba?_ giorgis gardacvalebidanerTi Tve gavida, magram mkvlelobismuxliT identificirebuli,jerjerobiT, aravinaa, anumarTalia, 17 piria dakavebuli,magram cxadi ar aris, am 17-dankonkretulad vis ra epizodSiedeba brali. amasTan, sakvanZo mowmeebisCvenebebic Zalian saeWvoa._ ratom?_ es Cvenebebi urTierTgamomricxavida Zalian areul-dareuli,Sesabamisad, arasarwmunoa.yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,mtkicebulebebis nawilSi saqmeZalian sustad gamoiyureba.swored yvelaferi es mafiqrebinebs,rom gamoZieba saTanadodar midis. ver getyviT, ojaxi amasrogor afasebs _ gasagebia, romam adamianebs uzarmazari tragediadaatydaT da gasakviri araa,rom ar SeuZliaT, yvelaferiobieqturad gansajon an ametapze rame pretenziebi wamoayenon.SesaZloa, imedi aqvT an dapirebasaZleven, rom yvelaferigairkveva, magram roca es dapirebebisperiodi gaivlis daisini saSineli realobis winaSeaRmoCndebian, mere movlen gons.Cven ki SegviZlia, rom axlaveobieqturad vimsjeloT da miukerZoeblebicviyoT!_ gamoZiebis dasrulebis Sem-deg giorgis ojaxi ra „saSinelirealobis” winaSe SeiZleba aR-moCndes?_ saSineli realoba is iqneba,rom identificireba ver moxerxdeba,es danaSauli vin Caidina,anu giorgi SaqaraSvilisikvdilis piras konkretuladvin miiyvana an wyalSi vin gadaagdo,sadac daixrCo da asevegaugebari iqneba konkretulimotivi, ris gamoc aseTi sazarelidanaSauli moxda._ ise, gamoZiebas, Tundac,versiis doneze, mkvlelobismotivi ar dausaxelebia. es nor-maluria, qalbatono lia?_ swored amitom veWvob, romgamoZieba saTanadod da kvalificiuradar midis. saerTaSorisosamarTlisa da evrosasamarTloskriteriumebi gulixmobs, romgamoZieba Tavidanve efeqtianiunda iyos. es ki imas niSnavs, romdamnaSave droulad unda identificirdesda pasuxisgebaSi mieces.sxvaTa Soris, am saqmeze dakavebuliarasrulwlovanicaa, rackidev ufro SemWidrovebulsaproceso vadebs gulisxmobs,magram miuxedavad amisa, tragediidanerTi Tvis Semdegac, gamo-Ziebas konkretuli pasuxi ar aqvskiTxvaze, _ vin misdevda SaqaraSvils?vin scema? dazianebebi vinmiayena da wyalSi vin gadaagdo?Tu aseT mniSvnelovan kiTxvebzepasuxebi ar arsebobs, maSinromel gamoZiebaze vsaubrobT?weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,faqtebsa Tu mowmeebs Jurnalistebipirdapir eTerSi eZeben.lia muxaSavria:`mxolod ninogiorgobiani ki ara,Ss ministric kargaxnis gadamdgariunda iyos!~yvelafer amas analizs ukeTebenda ase rom ar yofiliyo, gamo-Ziebas is Sedegic ar eqneboda,rac dRes aqvs. ise, xandaxanmeCveneba, rom gamoZieba Jurnalistebismier gamokvleuli faqtebisgabaTilebas an dadasturebaspostfaqtum cdilobs. gamo-Ziebam, ra Tqma unda, ar SeiZleba,rom sazogadoebas yvelaferiuTxras, magram roca saqmeze ase-Ti maRali interesia, sazogadoebasinformacia yoveldRe undamiawodos _ ra gaakeTa, Sedegi rammoutana da ras gegmavs, Tumcaprokuraturisgan aseTi angariSi,Tu ar meSleba, ar mogvismenia._ prokuraturisgan _ ara, magramgamoZiebis Sualedur Sede-gebze angariSi Ss ministrismoadgilisgan movismineT, romelmacTqva, saqmis masalebs bo-lomde ar vicnobo._ Ss ministris moadgilis gancxadeba,saqmis masalebs ar vicnobda ase vsaubrobo, rbiladrom vTqvaT, Zalian araseriozulia._ ratom?_ nebismierma iuristma icis,rom Ss ministris moadgile gamo-Ziebis detalebsa da niuansebSiunda erkveodes. mokled, yvelais mwiri oficialuri gancxadeba,romelic movismineT, STabeWdilebasqmnis, rom saqme xeirianadar midis!_ qalbatono lia, TqvenTvisam saqmeSi yvelaze saeWvo fig-uranti vin aris?`aseT kiTxvas adamianebi, roca raRac ambaviainteresebT, erTmaneTs usvamen da rogorSeiZleba, kvalificiurma gamomZiebelma,romelsac xelfass vuxdiT, anu romelicsazogadoebisgan daqiravebulia, aseTikiTxvebi ar dasvas? Turme gamoZiebam kiTxvaar dausva da fotografmac ar Tqva,TbilisSi Camosvlis Semdeg konkretulad sadwavida - es TeTri ZafiT nakeri sisulelea.saerTod, aseTi elementebi, saboloo jamSi,qmnis gancdas, rom gamoZieba an saTanadod armidis, an viRac raRacas farcxavs, an viRacZalian suleli da arakvalificiuria, anyvela es ubedureba erTad gvWirs!~_ ai, is fotografi ZaliansaeWvod meCveneba._ damisabuTeT, ratom?_ yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,gamoZiebas moatyua dauTxra, TbilisSi Camosvlis SemdegsaxlSi wavedi da daviZineo.arada, am dros cnobilia, romTemqaze gamarTul wveulebazeimyofeboda._ fotografis advokat irmaWkaduas ganmartebiT, iakobbregvaZem ki ar moityua, aramedgamomZieblebma ar hkiTxes, TbilisSiCamosvlis Semdeg sad wav-ida da amitom ratom unda eTqva,Temqaze wavida Tu Seyvare-bulTano?.._ mec swored amas vambob, anuTu gamomZiebeli mowmes, romelicmovlenebis uSualo TviTmxilvelia,aseT kiTxvas ar usvams,maSin romel gamoZiebazea laparaki?sxvaTa Soris, aseT droskiTxvis dasma araa saWiro._ aba?_ gamomZiebeli pirs, rogorcwesi, eubneba, mogviyevi, rac amsaqmis Sesaxeb icio. mas Semdeg,rac moyveba, mowmes e. w. damazustebelkiTxvebs usvamen. mokled,Tu mowme fotografma arTqva, mas Semdeg konkretuladsad wavida, rac policiam TbilisSiCaiyvana, gamomZiebelma xomunda hkiTxos, _ dainteresda Tuara, im xalxs, visTan erTadac avtobanzegarboda da daimala, rabedi ewia? aseT kiTxvas adamianebi,roca raRac ambavi ainteresebT,erTmaneTs usvamen darogor SeiZleba, kvalificiurmagamomZiebelma, romelsac xelfassvuxdiT, anu romelic sazogadoebisgandaqiravebulia,aseTi kiTxvebi ar dasvas?Turme gamoZiebam kiTxva ardausva da fotografmac ar Tqva,TbilisSi Camosvlis Semdegkonkretulad sad wavida _ esTeTri ZafiT nakeri sisulelea.saerTod, aseTi elementebi, saboloojamSi, qmnis gancdas, romgamoZieba an saTanadod ar midis,an viRac raRacas farcxavs, anviRac Zalian suleli da arakvalificiuria,an yvela es ubedurebaerTad gvWirs!_ gasagebia, rom dacvis8 N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comsaSineli realobis winaSe aRmoCndeba!~ufleba yvelas aqvs, magram, qalbatonolia, Tqven, rogorc ad-vokati, am saqmeSi braldebulebsdaicavdiT?_ roca icav, sxva poziciagaqvs. saerTod, am SemTxvevaSi iseki ar vsaubrob, rogorc advokatian saqmeSi romelime subieqtismxare, aramed vsaubrob rogorcrigiTi moqalaqe, romelsac Cemicodnisa da gamocdilebidan gamomdinare,am sferoSi cota metigamegeba. sxvaTa Soris, irma WkaduasZalian kargad vicnob, igikvalificiuri advokatia, magramimis Tqma, gamoZiebam ar hkiTxa daamitom fotografma ar Tqva,TbilisSi Camosvlis mere sad wavidao,ar SeiZleba. bolos da bolos,mas Semdeg, rac fotoaparatiamoiRes, sadac im Rames gada-Rebuli asi Tu aTasobiT fotoaRmoCnda, gamoZiebas maSin xommainc unda ekiTxa, es fotoebisad da rodis gadaiReo? ise,kiTxvac ar unda, radgan fotoaparatiTviTon afiqsirebs, fotorodisaa gadaRebuli.rac Seexeba Tqvens kiTxvas, meyvelas davicavdi, radgan rocaadvokati saqmes xels hkidebs,unda daicvas. marTalia, sazarelidanaSaulia, magram advokatisfunqcia swored isaa, rom faqtebizustad daadginos da gamokveTos,misi klienti konkretuladrameSi damnaSave aris Tu ara,radgan iseTi mZime danaSauli ardabraldes, romelic ar Caudenia.ise, imis Tqmac, rom „qamris”eqvsive mgzavrma pasuxi Tanabradunda agos da eqvsivem Tanabarisasjeli unda miiRos, Zalian arakvalificiuria._ ratom?_ am eqvsidan giorgis Sesa-Zloa, eqvsive arc gadevnebia daarc ucemia, anu am epizodSi eqvsiveTanabrad ver miiRebdamonawileobas._ danaSaulidan erTi Tvegavida da rogorc irma WkaduamerT-erT eTerSi ganacxada, sag-amoZiebo eqsperimenti SesaZloa,axla Catardes. amas azri aqvs an,saerTod, gaxsendebaT SemTxveva,roca gamoZiebas saproceso mo-qmedebebi erTi Tvis dagvianebiTdaewyos?_ mkvlelobis kuTxiT sagamo-Ziebo moqmedebebis Catareba axlaki ara, maSinac ki, roca daiwyo,Zalian dagvianebuli iyo. gamo-Ziebas mkvlelobis samuSao versiamaSinve unda hqonoda, sanamgvams aRmoaCendnen. ratom eWviaravis hqonda, rom es axalgazrdaSesaZloa, gardacvlili yo-`tragediidan erTi Tvis Semdegac, gamoZiebaskonkretuli pasuxi ar aqvs kiTxvaze, - vinmisdevda SaqaraSvils? vin scema? dazianebebivin miayena da wyalSi vin gadaagdo? Tu aseTmniSvnelovan kiTxvebze pasuxebi ar arsebobs,maSin romel gamoZiebaze vsaubrobT?~filiyo? ise, Tu ramdenime adamianierTad garboda da mere sxvadasxvaadgilas daimala, ar vfiqrob,rom erTmaneTis xma ar esmodaT,anu Tu giorgi SaqaraSvilsase gametebiT scemdnen, verwarmomidgenia, rom romelimesxma ar gaego an is teritoria iseratom datoves, rom erTmaneTiar moikiTxes? sxvaTa Soris,imanac gamaoca, rom narekvavidanwveulebam Temqaze gadainacvlada gaTenebamde grZeldeboda,arada, am dros TiTqmis yvelamicoda, rom erTi axalgazrdadaikarga, minimum, ar Canda._ giorgis telefoni ar hqon-da da axalgazrdebs, rogorcTavad amboben, imedi hqondaT,rom is saxlSi mividoda, anu fe-xburTels ver ukavSirdebodnen._ mesmis, magram ar mesmis,rogor SeiZleba, roca erTi adamianismdgomareoba saeWvoa, mxiarulebagaagrZelo? es CemTvisadamianurad Zalian gaugebari daucxoa. ase mgonia, rom amas sxvaplanetelebi akeTeben._ saerTod, am saqmeSi bevriucnauri detalia. ai, magaliTad,cxedari oTxi dRe wyalSi iyo,Tumca roca ipoves, perangzeRilebi Sekruli hqonda da es`giorgi SaqaraSvilis tragedia gardamtexiiyo, romliTac sazogadoebam dainaxa, romaseTi tragedia, SesaZloa, yvelas Tavzedatrialdes, magram damnaSave dausjelidarCes! yovel SemTxvevaSi, gamoZiebam,minimum, upasuxo kiTxvebi datovos~maSin, roca arc fexsacmeliecva da arc _ windebi..._ diax, es Zalian gasaocaria,Tan cxedari im adgilas ipoves,sadac Rrma wyali ar iyo, anu aramotivtivebula. televiziiTyvelani vxedavdiT, rom maSvelebilamis welamde siRrmis wyal-Si eZebdnen da amdeni xani ratomeZebdnen?mokled, yvelaferi es ZaliansaeWvod gamoiyureba._ qalbatono lia, Tqveni dakvirvebiT,SaqaraSvilis tragediisSemdeg sazogadoebaSi usa-marTlobisa da daucvelobisgancda gaizarda da aqve gkiTx-avT, yvelaferi es, saboloojamSi, politikur saxes miiRebsTu ise daviviwyebT, rogorc,vTqvaT, luka siraZis tragediadagvaviwyda?_ raodenoba xarisxSi gadadisxolme._ anu?_ giorgi SaqaraSvilis tragediagardamtexi iyo, romliTacsazogadoebam dainaxa, rom aseTitragedia, SesaZloa, yvelas Tavzedatrialdes, magram damnaSavedausjeli darCes! yovel SemTxvevaSi,gamoZiebam, minimum, upasuxokiTxvebi datovos. saerTod,ori aTeuli welia, uflebadamcvelebiam Temaze vsaubrobTda ar vukadrisobT, rom sazogadoebasmudmivad gavaxsenoT, magramamis miuxedavad, mosaxleobasar hqonda gancda, ai, yvelanidaucvelebi varTo. SaqaraSvilissaqmem ki bevrisTvis TvalsaCinogaxada, rom aseTi ubedureba,SesaZloa, yvelas daemar-Tos, anu arakvalificiuri gamo-Ziebis pirispir SesaZloa, nebismieriaRmoCndes da Tu media ariaqtiurebs, yvelaferi mifuCeCdeba._ qalbatono lia, weRan fo-tografi vaxseneT da miTxariT,Tqveni azriT, iakob bregvaZedazaralebuli ratomaa da aqvegkiTxavT: misma naTesavma, ninogiorgobianma, romelic Sss-spressamsaxuris xelmZRvanelia,Tanamdeboba, minimum, gamoZiebisdasrulebamde unda datovos Tuara?_ me rom mkiTxoT, mxolodgiorgobiani ki ara, Ss ministrickarga xnis gadamdgari unda iyos!giorgobians, yvelafers Tavirom davaneboT, uflebamosilebaunda SeeCerebina. ase rom moqceuliyo,sazogadoebaSi ganmtkicdebodaazri, rom am saqmesTandakavSirebuli araa, anu naTesavsar mfarvelobs, magram xelisuflebaSiiseTi zeTavdajarebulobaaqvT, romelic moralisa dazneobisgan Zalian daSorebulia!TanamdebobiT aravin ibadeba. amadamianebs xval quCaSi gavla xomundaT da mezoblebsa Tu sxvebsTvalebSi rogor unda Sexedon?saerTod, axalgazrdebSi aseTikonfliqtebi, romelic tragikuladsruldeba, Zalian gaxSirda._ iziarebT mosazrebas, romaxalgazrdebSi „qurduli men-talitetis” romantizeba xdebada amdeni ubedurebac amis Sede-gia?_ ar mgonia, ase iyos._ aba, rogor ggoniaT?_ es ufro kompleqsuri darTuli movlenaa._ ras gulisxmobT?_ Cven SeiZleba, „gadavxarSeT”da 90-ianebi cud koSmarad gvaxsendeba,magram axalgazrdebiyvelafer imas, rac maSin xdeboda_ Zaladobas, ganukiTxaobas,srolasa Tu usamarTlobas iseaRiqvamdnen, rogorc cxovrebisnormas. gvikvirs, mozardebi ase-Ti usulguloebi, sastikebi daSeubraleblebi ratom arian daam dros gvaviwydeba, rom isiniiseT garemoSi gaizardnen, rocayvelaze „magari” biWi xalxs xocavda,magram mas aravin sjida.erTi sityviT, am bavSvebisTvisarcTu Soreul warsulSi samagaliToebiaseTi „magari biWebi”iyvnen. Sesabamisad, yvelaferies Seisisxlxorces da normadmiiCneven, Torem ar mgonia, „qurdulisamyaros” romantizebaimaze metad xdebodes, vidre CemsaxalgazrdobaSi iyo, magram CvenTeTrisa da Savis, avisa da kargisgarCeva ufro SegveZlo, radgansikeTe nanaxi gvqonda, anu keTil-Sobil adamianebs vicnobdiT daisini sazogadoebisgan pativsacemebida dafasebulebi iyvnen.dRes ki aseTi adamianebi aRararian da avtoritetad mZarcveli,moZalade, yaCaRi, qurdi damamaZaRli iTvleba!_ sxvaTa Soris, „nacionalurimoZraobis” xelisuflebaSi yof-nis dros e. w. qurduli samyarosSesaxeb kanoni miiRes da adami-anebs imis Tqmisac ki eSinodaT,rom „kanonier qurds” icnobdnen.marTalia, am kanonis anu-lireba aravis mouxdenia, magramam kuTxiT dRes simkacris deficitia.ar meTanxmebiT, qalba-tono lia?_ SeiZleba, magram dRes uamraviinformacia arebobs, romliTacadamiani gaigebs, es samyarosinamdvileSi rogoria.mokled,imis Tqma minda, rom „qurdulisamyaros” romantizeba ki ar xdeba,aramed axali Taoba im garemosproduqtia, romelSic isgavzardeT!_ geTanxmebiT, rom yvela anTiTqmis yvela problema Savb-nel 90-ian wlebSi iRebs saTaves,magram igive „SaqaraSvilis saqme-Si” ori sayuradRebo detalia:erTi is, rom saxelmwifo romeliRacTanamdebobis piris in-teresebs icavs da meore is, romtragediaSi e. w. zonderjgufe-bi figurireben. zogadad, bolodros „zonderebis” Tema erTobaqtualuria, anu arsebobssportsmenebisgan Tu sxva profesiisadamianebisgan dako-mpleqtebuli erTgvari kasta,romelsac SeuZlia, nebismiericudi gaakeTos, magram pasuxs aragebs, radgan xelisuflebas misivali aqvs?_ me Tu mkiTxavT, xrwnis procesiyvela socialur fenaSi midis._ anu?_ ixrwneba xelisufleba, romelicTavs ufro maRla mdgomadmiiCnevs. sinamdvileSi ki ase araa.amasobaSi, kriminaluri elementebie. w. politikur elitas Zaliandauaxlovdnen da daunaTesavdnen._ am daaxloeba-danaTesavebissababi ra aris?_ aSkaraa, rom saarCevnod xelisuflebakriminalur elementebsiyenebs, anu maT Soris garkveuligarigeba ideba, rac dana-Saulis Cadenis dros kriminalurielementebis dacvas gulisxmobs.sxvaTa Soris, yvelaferaqedan CemTvis erTi Zalian optimisturidetali gamoikveTa._ kerZod?_ jer erTi, sazogadoeba sajaroaRSfoTebas gamoxatavs; meorec,Tavis simaRleze dgas dafaqtebis miCqmalvis uflebas aravisaZlevs. yvelafer amis gamoxelisufleba da kriminalurisamyaroc iZulebuli xdeba, romsazogadoebriv azrs angariSigauwios. Tu aseT erTianobas gavagrZelebT,maSin xelisuflebisada kriminaluri elementebisurTierTobas CavaxSobT!N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.9
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