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`SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi~ bevri saeWvo
is, rom „girCs” „giJuri” idee-
giorgi abaSiZe
bi aqvs, axali araa, magram iman,
rac ramdenime dRis win gaxda
cnobili, rogorc ityvian, yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarba.
kerZod, „girCma” sazogadoebas aseTi lozungiT mimarTa: „wadi
arCevnebze da moige Tesla!” ras niSnavs yvelaferi es? ras
da, rogorc „girCSi” ganmartaven, nebismier adamians, romelic
wlevandel arCevnebze, e. i., 31 oqtombers, saarCevno ubanze
miva, misTvis sasurvel partias miscems xmas da, parale-
lurad, saarCevno ubanTan selfs ise gadaiRebs, rom ubnis
nomeric gamoCndes, Sansi eqneba, rom „tesla” moigos, oRond
ar dagaviwydeT: yvelafer amasTan erTad, manamde, „girCis”
saitze unda daregistrirdeT, 31 oqtombers ki saarCevno
ubanTan gadaRebuli selfi 21:00 saaTamde sakuTar „feisbu-
qze” unda gamoaqveynoT heSTegiT #meviyaviarCevnebze.
xom ar CaeTvleba „girCs” e. w.
Teslas proeqti amomrCevlis mo-
syidvad? _ amis gasarkvevad
„qronika+
nika+~ partiis erT-erT
lider iago xviCias daukavSirda,
romelTan saubaric, ra Tqma unda,
„SaqaraSvilis saqmiT” daviw-
yeT:
_ iago, ramdenime dRis win,
erT-erT politikur ToqSouSi,
roca giorgi SaqaraSvilis tra-
gediaze saubrobdiT, TqviT, sasa-
marTloze ufro meti sanaxaoba
gvelodebao. ras gulisxmobdiT?
_ sasamarTlo bevrad ufro
sajaroa, vidre _ gamoZieba, anu
procesi gaxsnilia da medias,
aseve sazogadoebas SeuZlia gaigos,
ra xdeba.
_ ki batono, magram „SaqaraSvilis
saqmis” sasamarTlo saja-
ro ver iqneba, radgan erT-erTi
braldebuli arasrulwlovania.
_ SeiZleba, magram am sasamarTlo
procesidan ambavs gavigebT,
anu arasrulwlovanTan dakav-
Sirebuli sxdomebi SesaZloa, daxuruli
iyos, magram ganaCenSi Caiwereba,
am arasrulwlovanma rame
daaSava Tu ara. erTi sityviT, is
dokumentebi, romlebzedac axla
ise vsaubrobT, rogorc urTierTsawinaaRmdegosa
Tu policiis
zewoliT miRebulze, sasamarTloze
gasajarovdeba, anu saqmeze
17 adamiania dakavebuli, 17-ive sxvadasxva
ambavs yveba da sasamarTloze
maTi naambobi gamoaSkaravdeba.
garda amisa, ar mgonia, yvelaferi
sinqronSi ise aewyos, rom
am 17 Tu sxva adamianebis Cvenebeb-
Si winaaRmdegoba ar iyos. mokled,
sasamarTloze winaaRmdegobebi
gamovlindeba da amaze Tavis mar-
Tleba sasacilo iqneba! sxvaTa Soris,
gamoZiebis drosac ukve Zalian
bevri tragikomikuri momenti
gamoCnda.
_ kerZod?
_ Cvenebebis Secvlaze rom aRaraferi
vTqvaT, ai, magaliTad,
gavigeT, rom adamianebma, romel-
Tac aseTi ambavi gadaxdaT, drostareba
ise gaagrZeles, TiTqos
araferi momxdara. amasTan, fotografs,
romelic wveulebaze
imyofeboda da fotoaparatiT
iyo SeiaraRebuli, erTi fotoc ki
ar gadauRia. mokled, uamravi
saeWvo Temaa, rac sasamarTloSi
sul sxvanairad ifeTqebs, radgan
iq yvelaferze bevri adamianis
pozicias movismenT. saerTod, ase
xdeba xolme _ sasamarTloSi ganxilvis
dros detalebs ufro meti
yuradReba eqceva. saqmis Sedegamde
ki, saboloo jamSi, swored am
detalebs mivyavarT.
_ geTanxmebiT, magram xom ar
fiqrobT, rom „SaqaraSvilis
saqmem” sagamoZiebo uwyebis mankierebani
ufro naTlad war-
moaCina?
_ amas ver getyviT, radgan
CemTvis es sistema iseTivea, rogoric
aqamde iyo, anu axali araferi
gamigia. ubralod, es saqme
CemTvis imis saSualebaa, rom
sistemis mankiereba ukeTesad avxsna.
saerTod, erTaderTi, rac
sistemas Secvlis, maRali sajaro
interesia _ am qveyanaSi sasamarTlo
kontroli ar arsebobs, amitom
sazogadoebis yuradRebaa
saWiro, rom sistema gaumjobesdes,
miT umetes, axla, roca
saarCevno welia.
_ saarCevno weli ra SuaSia?
_ sistemis gaumjobesebis Sansi
yovelTvis ki ara, axla arsebobs.
_ ise, arCevnebamde sami TviT
adre xelisuflebas ratom unda
awyobdes, rom aseT gaxmaurebul
kriminalur saqmeSi viRacas xeli
daafaros? Tqveni azriT, „meocnebeebi”
ver xvdebian, rom yvelaferi
es arCevnebis dRes Sesa-
Zloa, maT winaaRmdeg gamoiy-
enon?
_ es ar vici, Tumca erTSi geTanxmebiT.
_ magaliTad?
_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, saarCevno
welia Tu ara _ rogor Sei-
Zleba, arCeviT demokratiaSi vinme
mkvlelebs xels afarebdes? ise,
Cven isic ar viciT, xelisuflebas
vinmesTvis xelis dafareba
gadawyvetili aqvs Tu ara. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, iqidan gamomdinare,
rac viciT, me aseTi gancda maqvs
_ viRacam scada, rom am saqmeSi
viRacisTvis xeli daefarebina,
Tumca es politikuri interesi ki
ar iyo, aramed, aseTi ram sistemiT
SigniTaa SesaZlebeli.
zogadad, adamianebi varT da
Secdomas yvelani vuSvebT, magram
am Secdomaze biZina, anu partia
pasuxismgebeli araa, magram roca
ici, rom politpatimrebi gyavs da
amasTan, isic ici, rom sistemaSi
problemebia, am sistemaSi momuSave
adamianebs xels afareb.
_ hoda, am xelis dafarebis
mizani ra aris?
_ viRacebma saqme ariv-daries,
magram mediis daxmarebiT yvelaferi
naTeli gaxda. amitom
sistema isea awyobili, rom axla
iZulebulni arian, erTmaneTs
xeli daafaron. ise, sistemam Sei-
Zleba, saerTod ar icoda, rom
adamiani gardaicvala.
_ iqneb, „SaqaraSvilis saqme”
Tavidanve imitom airiv-dairia,
rom gamoZieba araprofesion-
alebma daiwyes?
_ rasakvirvelia, arafers gamovricxav,
magram swored eg aris
mTavari.
_ anu?
_ sistema isea awyobili, rom
danaSauls, romelSic oci adamiani
monawileobs da viRac kvdeba,
ver xsnis, anu sazogadoebas ver
eubneba, damnaSave vinaa. es moralur
gaxrwnaze uaresia, magram
Tu viRacas sisulelis gamo
afareb xels, gekiTxebiT, aseTi
marTlmsajulebis sistema rogor
SeiZleba, kargi iyos?
mokled, am saqmis magaliTze
unda avxsnaT, sistema rogor funqcionirebs
da amas is adamianebic
imsaxureben, romlebic sistemaSi
muSaoben, magram arafer SuaSi
arian. Tu simarTle ar gairkveva,
maSin yvela gaisvreba!
_ sxvaTa Soris, „nacionaluri
moZraobis” xelisuflebis dasasrulis
dasawyisis aTvlis wertilad
girgvlianis mkvleloba mi-
iCneva. iago, xom ar fiqrobT, rom
„ocnebas” SaqaraSvilis tragedia
CamoSlis?
_ aseTi prognozebi ar miyvars.
„girgvlianis saqmeze” usamarTloba
gamoCnda da, Sesabamisad, is
xelisuflebac im usamarTlobam
CamoSala, romelsac xels afarebdnen.
am qveyanaSi sxva saqmeebicaa,
sadac usamarTloba Riad
Cans, magram xelisufleba ar CamoiSala.
_ ratom?
_ sazogadoebas raRac sWirdeba,
anu iseTi raRac unda moxdes,
romelsac gansakuTrebuli rezonansi
eqneba, rogoric, Tavis
droze, „girgvlianis saqmes” hqonda.
_ imis Tqma gindaT, rom girgvlianis
mkvleloba „SaqaraSvi-
lis saqmeze” ufro rezonansuli
iyo?
_ ar vici, „SaqaraSvilis saqmes”
rogori rezonansi eqneba, Tumca
am or saqmes Soris saerToc aris
da _ gansxvavebac.
`girgvlianis saqme~ raRacnairad politikuri
Tanamdebobis pirebsa da maTTan dakavSirebul
saqmianobas ukavSirdeboda - konfliqti amis
gamo daiwyo. SaqaraSvilis ambavi am mizeziT
ar dawyebula, magram girgvlianis msgavsad, am
saqmeSic bevri bundovanebaa - saqme an Zalian
kargad gakeTda an xelis dafarebis mizniT
Zalian cudad dalagda~
iago xviCia:
`xelisufleba
moqalaqeebs
yoveldRiurad
abrazebs, magram
xalxs opozicia ufro
metad uSlis nervebs!~
_ am ori saqmis saerTo an gan-
sxvaveba ra aris?
_ saerTo bundovanebaa.
_ konkretulad?
_ „girgvlianis saqme” raRacnairad
politikuri Tanamdebobis
pirebsa da maTTan dakavSirebul
saqmianobas ukavSirdeboda _ konfliqti
amis gamo daiwyo. SaqaraSvilis
ambavi am mizeziT ar dawyebula,
magram girgvlianis msgavsad,
am saqmeSic bevri bundovanebaa
_ saqme an Zalian kargad gakeTda
an xelis dafarebis mizniT
Zalian cudad dalagda.zogadad,
erTmaneTs bevri saqme hgavs, magram
es imas ar niSnavs, rom es
saqmeebi identuria.
_ absoluturi msgavseba, bune-
brivia, ar arsebobs, magram 2012
wels, anu mas Semdeg, rac „ocne-
ba” xelisuflebaSia, araerTi
kriminali moxda. am mxriv yvelaze
gaxmaurebuli saraliZis, maCa-
likaSvilis, siraZisa da SaqaraSv
araSvilis
saqmeebia, Tumca amis miuxe-
davad, bolo sociologiuri iuri kv-
levis mixedviT, romelic „edison
riCma” „formulas” dakveTiT Caa-
tara, ivaniSvilis gunds TiTqmis
40-procentiani mxardaWera aqvs,
anu sazogadoebaSi masobrivi
protesti ar arsebobs?
_ sxvaTa Soris, sanam intervius
daviwyebdiT, socialur qselSi am
kvlevebze statusi davwere da
vTqvi, rom sazogadoeba marTalia
da es opoziciam unda gaviazroT.
_ es ras niSnavs?
_ marTalia, xelisufleba Secdomebs
uSvebs da moqalaqeebs
yoveldRiurad abrazebs, magram
xalxs opozicia ufro metad uSlis
nervebs.
_ ratom?
_ problema an xelisuflebaSia,
an _ xalxSi, an opoziciaSi. rac
unda vTqvaT, problema xalxSiao,
xalxi iseTia, rogoric aris da
raRac sakiTxebs ise uyurebs,
rogorc uyurebs. xalxs SeiZleba,
yvelaferSi ar veTanxmebi, magram
misi raRac TvalsazrisiT
mesmis, anu opozicia damajereblad
da SeTanxmebulad ar gamoiyureba.
_ ufro konkretulad?
_ opoziciis bolo nabijebi,
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