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`SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi~ bevri saeWvo

is, rom „girCs” „giJuri” idee-

giorgi abaSiZe

bi aqvs, axali araa, magram iman,

rac ramdenime dRis win gaxda

cnobili, rogorc ityvian, yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarba.

kerZod, „girCma” sazogadoebas aseTi lozungiT mimarTa: „wadi

arCevnebze da moige Tesla!” ras niSnavs yvelaferi es? ras

da, rogorc „girCSi” ganmartaven, nebismier adamians, romelic

wlevandel arCevnebze, e. i., 31 oqtombers, saarCevno ubanze

miva, misTvis sasurvel partias miscems xmas da, parale-

lurad, saarCevno ubanTan selfs ise gadaiRebs, rom ubnis

nomeric gamoCndes, Sansi eqneba, rom „tesla” moigos, oRond

ar dagaviwydeT: yvelafer amasTan erTad, manamde, „girCis”

saitze unda daregistrirdeT, 31 oqtombers ki saarCevno

ubanTan gadaRebuli selfi 21:00 saaTamde sakuTar „feisbu-

qze” unda gamoaqveynoT heSTegiT #meviyaviarCevnebze.

xom ar CaeTvleba „girCs” e. w.

Teslas proeqti amomrCevlis mo-

syidvad? _ amis gasarkvevad

„qronika+

nika+~ partiis erT-erT

lider iago xviCias daukavSirda,

romelTan saubaric, ra Tqma unda,

„SaqaraSvilis saqmiT” daviw-

yeT:

_ iago, ramdenime dRis win,

erT-erT politikur ToqSouSi,

roca giorgi SaqaraSvilis tra-

gediaze saubrobdiT, TqviT, sasa-

marTloze ufro meti sanaxaoba

gvelodebao. ras gulisxmobdiT?

_ sasamarTlo bevrad ufro

sajaroa, vidre _ gamoZieba, anu

procesi gaxsnilia da medias,

aseve sazogadoebas SeuZlia gaigos,

ra xdeba.

_ ki batono, magram „SaqaraSvilis

saqmis” sasamarTlo saja-

ro ver iqneba, radgan erT-erTi

braldebuli arasrulwlovania.

_ SeiZleba, magram am sasamarTlo

procesidan ambavs gavigebT,

anu arasrulwlovanTan dakav-

Sirebuli sxdomebi SesaZloa, daxuruli

iyos, magram ganaCenSi Caiwereba,

am arasrulwlovanma rame

daaSava Tu ara. erTi sityviT, is

dokumentebi, romlebzedac axla

ise vsaubrobT, rogorc urTierTsawinaaRmdegosa

Tu policiis

zewoliT miRebulze, sasamarTloze

gasajarovdeba, anu saqmeze

17 adamiania dakavebuli, 17-ive sxvadasxva

ambavs yveba da sasamarTloze

maTi naambobi gamoaSkaravdeba.

garda amisa, ar mgonia, yvelaferi

sinqronSi ise aewyos, rom

am 17 Tu sxva adamianebis Cvenebeb-

Si winaaRmdegoba ar iyos. mokled,

sasamarTloze winaaRmdegobebi

gamovlindeba da amaze Tavis mar-

Tleba sasacilo iqneba! sxvaTa Soris,

gamoZiebis drosac ukve Zalian

bevri tragikomikuri momenti

gamoCnda.

_ kerZod?

_ Cvenebebis Secvlaze rom aRaraferi

vTqvaT, ai, magaliTad,

gavigeT, rom adamianebma, romel-

Tac aseTi ambavi gadaxdaT, drostareba

ise gaagrZeles, TiTqos

araferi momxdara. amasTan, fotografs,

romelic wveulebaze

imyofeboda da fotoaparatiT

iyo SeiaraRebuli, erTi fotoc ki

ar gadauRia. mokled, uamravi

saeWvo Temaa, rac sasamarTloSi

sul sxvanairad ifeTqebs, radgan

iq yvelaferze bevri adamianis

pozicias movismenT. saerTod, ase

xdeba xolme _ sasamarTloSi ganxilvis

dros detalebs ufro meti

yuradReba eqceva. saqmis Sedegamde

ki, saboloo jamSi, swored am

detalebs mivyavarT.

_ geTanxmebiT, magram xom ar

fiqrobT, rom „SaqaraSvilis

saqmem” sagamoZiebo uwyebis mankierebani

ufro naTlad war-

moaCina?

_ amas ver getyviT, radgan

CemTvis es sistema iseTivea, rogoric

aqamde iyo, anu axali araferi

gamigia. ubralod, es saqme

CemTvis imis saSualebaa, rom

sistemis mankiereba ukeTesad avxsna.

saerTod, erTaderTi, rac

sistemas Secvlis, maRali sajaro

interesia _ am qveyanaSi sasamarTlo

kontroli ar arsebobs, amitom

sazogadoebis yuradRebaa

saWiro, rom sistema gaumjobesdes,

miT umetes, axla, roca

saarCevno welia.

_ saarCevno weli ra SuaSia?

_ sistemis gaumjobesebis Sansi

yovelTvis ki ara, axla arsebobs.

_ ise, arCevnebamde sami TviT

adre xelisuflebas ratom unda

awyobdes, rom aseT gaxmaurebul

kriminalur saqmeSi viRacas xeli

daafaros? Tqveni azriT, „meocnebeebi”

ver xvdebian, rom yvelaferi

es arCevnebis dRes Sesa-

Zloa, maT winaaRmdeg gamoiy-

enon?

_ es ar vici, Tumca erTSi geTanxmebiT.

_ magaliTad?

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, saarCevno

welia Tu ara _ rogor Sei-

Zleba, arCeviT demokratiaSi vinme

mkvlelebs xels afarebdes? ise,

Cven isic ar viciT, xelisuflebas

vinmesTvis xelis dafareba

gadawyvetili aqvs Tu ara. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, iqidan gamomdinare,

rac viciT, me aseTi gancda maqvs

_ viRacam scada, rom am saqmeSi

viRacisTvis xeli daefarebina,

Tumca es politikuri interesi ki

ar iyo, aramed, aseTi ram sistemiT

SigniTaa SesaZlebeli.

zogadad, adamianebi varT da

Secdomas yvelani vuSvebT, magram

am Secdomaze biZina, anu partia

pasuxismgebeli araa, magram roca

ici, rom politpatimrebi gyavs da

amasTan, isic ici, rom sistemaSi

problemebia, am sistemaSi momuSave

adamianebs xels afareb.

_ hoda, am xelis dafarebis

mizani ra aris?

_ viRacebma saqme ariv-daries,

magram mediis daxmarebiT yvelaferi

naTeli gaxda. amitom

sistema isea awyobili, rom axla

iZulebulni arian, erTmaneTs

xeli daafaron. ise, sistemam Sei-

Zleba, saerTod ar icoda, rom

adamiani gardaicvala.

_ iqneb, „SaqaraSvilis saqme”

Tavidanve imitom airiv-dairia,

rom gamoZieba araprofesion-

alebma daiwyes?

_ rasakvirvelia, arafers gamovricxav,

magram swored eg aris

mTavari.

_ anu?

_ sistema isea awyobili, rom

danaSauls, romelSic oci adamiani

monawileobs da viRac kvdeba,

ver xsnis, anu sazogadoebas ver

eubneba, damnaSave vinaa. es moralur

gaxrwnaze uaresia, magram

Tu viRacas sisulelis gamo

afareb xels, gekiTxebiT, aseTi

marTlmsajulebis sistema rogor

SeiZleba, kargi iyos?

mokled, am saqmis magaliTze

unda avxsnaT, sistema rogor funqcionirebs

da amas is adamianebic

imsaxureben, romlebic sistemaSi

muSaoben, magram arafer SuaSi

arian. Tu simarTle ar gairkveva,

maSin yvela gaisvreba!

_ sxvaTa Soris, „nacionaluri

moZraobis” xelisuflebis dasasrulis

dasawyisis aTvlis wertilad

girgvlianis mkvleloba mi-

iCneva. iago, xom ar fiqrobT, rom

„ocnebas” SaqaraSvilis tragedia

CamoSlis?

_ aseTi prognozebi ar miyvars.

„girgvlianis saqmeze” usamarTloba

gamoCnda da, Sesabamisad, is

xelisuflebac im usamarTlobam

CamoSala, romelsac xels afarebdnen.

am qveyanaSi sxva saqmeebicaa,

sadac usamarTloba Riad

Cans, magram xelisufleba ar CamoiSala.

_ ratom?

_ sazogadoebas raRac sWirdeba,

anu iseTi raRac unda moxdes,

romelsac gansakuTrebuli rezonansi

eqneba, rogoric, Tavis

droze, „girgvlianis saqmes” hqonda.

_ imis Tqma gindaT, rom girgvlianis

mkvleloba „SaqaraSvi-

lis saqmeze” ufro rezonansuli

iyo?

_ ar vici, „SaqaraSvilis saqmes”

rogori rezonansi eqneba, Tumca

am or saqmes Soris saerToc aris

da _ gansxvavebac.

`girgvlianis saqme~ raRacnairad politikuri

Tanamdebobis pirebsa da maTTan dakavSirebul

saqmianobas ukavSirdeboda - konfliqti amis

gamo daiwyo. SaqaraSvilis ambavi am mizeziT

ar dawyebula, magram girgvlianis msgavsad, am

saqmeSic bevri bundovanebaa - saqme an Zalian

kargad gakeTda an xelis dafarebis mizniT

Zalian cudad dalagda~

iago xviCia:

`xelisufleba

moqalaqeebs

yoveldRiurad

abrazebs, magram

xalxs opozicia ufro

metad uSlis nervebs!~

_ am ori saqmis saerTo an gan-

sxvaveba ra aris?

_ saerTo bundovanebaa.

_ konkretulad?

_ „girgvlianis saqme” raRacnairad

politikuri Tanamdebobis

pirebsa da maTTan dakavSirebul

saqmianobas ukavSirdeboda _ konfliqti

amis gamo daiwyo. SaqaraSvilis

ambavi am mizeziT ar dawyebula,

magram girgvlianis msgavsad,

am saqmeSic bevri bundovanebaa

_ saqme an Zalian kargad gakeTda

an xelis dafarebis mizniT

Zalian cudad dalagda.zogadad,

erTmaneTs bevri saqme hgavs, magram

es imas ar niSnavs, rom es

saqmeebi identuria.

_ absoluturi msgavseba, bune-

brivia, ar arsebobs, magram 2012

wels, anu mas Semdeg, rac „ocne-

ba” xelisuflebaSia, araerTi

kriminali moxda. am mxriv yvelaze

gaxmaurebuli saraliZis, maCa-

likaSvilis, siraZisa da SaqaraSv

araSvilis

saqmeebia, Tumca amis miuxe-

davad, bolo sociologiuri iuri kv-

levis mixedviT, romelic „edison

riCma” „formulas” dakveTiT Caa-

tara, ivaniSvilis gunds TiTqmis

40-procentiani mxardaWera aqvs,

anu sazogadoebaSi masobrivi

protesti ar arsebobs?

_ sxvaTa Soris, sanam intervius

daviwyebdiT, socialur qselSi am

kvlevebze statusi davwere da

vTqvi, rom sazogadoeba marTalia

da es opoziciam unda gaviazroT.

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ marTalia, xelisufleba Secdomebs

uSvebs da moqalaqeebs

yoveldRiurad abrazebs, magram

xalxs opozicia ufro metad uSlis

nervebs.

_ ratom?

_ problema an xelisuflebaSia,

an _ xalxSi, an opoziciaSi. rac

unda vTqvaT, problema xalxSiao,

xalxi iseTia, rogoric aris da

raRac sakiTxebs ise uyurebs,

rogorc uyurebs. xalxs SeiZleba,

yvelaferSi ar veTanxmebi, magram

misi raRac TvalsazrisiT

mesmis, anu opozicia damajereblad

da SeTanxmebulad ar gamoiyureba.

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ opoziciis bolo nabijebi,

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