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biZas kiTxvebi ar uCndeba!~
ia, bregvaZem simarTle uTxra da
policiam damala Tu ara, magram
sapatrulo policiis ekipaJis wevrebi
CvenebaSi weren, rom bregvaZes
hkiTxes, vin Cxubobda, magram aman
upasuxa, ar vicnobo. arada, man xom
kargad icoda, rom konfliqti
agarakze daiwyo, sadac TviTonac
imyofeboda? hoda, sapatrulo
policias ra unda gaekeTebina?
sxvaTa Soris, is, rom patrulma
„qebebhausis” lokacia ver aRmoa-
Cina da daagvianda, sxva problemaa.
_ ar vici, zustad asea Tu ara,
magram sapatrulo policias
ufleba ar aqvs, rom manqanaSi
ucxo adamiani Caisvas, miuxedavad
imisa, am adamians daxmareba es-
aWiroeba Tu ara...
_ roca SuaRamisas moqalaqe
CxubTan dakavSirebiT Setyobinebas
akeTebs, anu ambobs, rom Cxubs
Seeswro, patrulma, sufTa
adamianurad rom vTqvaT, es moqalaqe
quCaSi unda datovos?
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, patrulma
taqsis funqcia ar unda Seas-
rulos da, minimum, SemTxvevis
adgili daaTvalieros.
_ am SemTxvevaSi, ukve kriminaluri
policia unda misuliyo
da amaSi, ra Tqma unda, geTanxmebiT,
magram am konkretul SemTxvevaSi,
im sapatrulo ekipaJze
vsaubrob, romelic SemTxvevis
adgilas mivida da bregvaZe manqanaSi
Caisva. vinaidan bregvaZem
patruls uTxra, rom aRaraferi
xdeboda, quCaSi ar datoves da
TbilisSi Camoiyvanes.
_ giorgi, yvelafer im kiTxvebidan
gamomdinare, rac fotografis
mimarT arsebobs, Tqveni,
rogorc iuristis azri main-
teresebs, mas dazaralebulis
statusi unda hqondes?
_ sxvaTa Soris, kviras, roca
gamokiTxvaze iyo misuli, bregva-
Zem ikiTxa, _ dazaralebulis statusi
ratom maqvso? gamoZiebam
upasuxa, _ moraluri ziani mogadgao...
magram romel moralur zianzea
laparaki, roca es adamiani
wavida da mTeli Rame megobrebTan
erTad erToboda! bregvaZes
dazaralebulis statusTan kavSiri,
ra Tqma unda, ar aqvs!
_ aba, am saqmeSi ra statusi
unda hqodes _ mowmis?
_ diax, minimum, mowme unda iyos.
_ ratom?
_ imitom, rom konfliqts mxolod
aragvis xidebTan ki ara,
agarakzec Seeswro, magram gvaxsovs,
misma naTesavma pirdapir br-
Zana, bregvaZes dazaralebulis
statusi aqvs da bolomde ase dar-
Cebao. esec Zalian samwuxaro garemoebaa!
_ giorgi, ori dRis win, tv „pi-
rvelze” ganacxadeT, Cemi dacvis
qveS myofis Cveneba realobas ar
Seesabameba da masze policiis
mxridan zewola moxdao. es Tema
ganavrceT, anu zewola konkret-
ulad ris gamo xdeboda?
_ Cemi dacvis qveS myofi arasrulwlovani
policiis ganyofilebaSi
16 saaTis ganmavlobaSi hyavdaT,
rac sisxlis samarTlis saproceso
kodeqsis normebis Zalian
uxeSi darRvevaa. garda amisa, mas
mxolod fsiqologiuri ki ara,
fizikuri Seuracxyofac miayenes.
`mtkicebulebebi da saqme im saRamosve gafuWda, roca bregvaZem masTan misul
sapatrulo policiis TanamSromlebs simarTle ar uambo da uTxra, rom ar
icoda, vin Cxubobda. aseve ar uTxra, ra moxda da ganacxada, rom TiTqos
dasavleTidan avtostopiT modioda. yvelaferi cxel kvalze unda
garkveuliyo, miT umetes, rom im dros, roca sapatrulo ekipaJma bregvaZe
TbilisSi wamoiyvana, axvlediani isev xidis qveS imyofeboda. aseve xidis qveS
iyo is sami manqanac, romelmac axvledians CaakiTxa~
_ kerZod?
_ policiis ganyofilebaSi kefaSi
Caartyes, sagamoZiebo eqsperimentis
dros ki, roca gareT gamoiyvanes
_ zurgSi.
_ policielebi arasrulwlo-
van z.x.-s ratom scemdnen, misgan
ra Cvenebis miReba undodaT?
_ mas sTxovdnen, daewera da eTqva,
rom dainaxa, SaqaraSvili saiT
garboda. aseve SaqaraSvils bolomde
vin misdevda, magram yvelaferi
es realobas ar Seesabameba. sxva-
Ta Soris, isic daawerines, rom
Tbilisidan ukan, mcxeTaSi TiTqos
SurisZiebis motiviT mibrundnen.
saerTod, bevri garemoebaa, rac
realobas ar Seesabameba.
_ rogorc cnobilia, dabadebis
dReze Tqveni dacvis qveS myo-
fi z.x. mcxeTaSi Ciqovans gahyva,
ara?
_ diax.
_ icoda, rom iq konfliqti
ukve momxdari iyo?
_ agarakze imyofeboda.
_ anu rogorc ani gabeCava yveba,
narekvavSi wveulebaze Ciqovan-
Tan erTad gvian mivida?
_ diax, is saxlSi iyo da im
videokadrebSi, romlebic amoRebulia
da mediisTvisac cnobilia,
ar Cans, anu konfliqtSi ar monawileobda.
ubralod, agarakze iyo
da alkoholur sasmels svamda.
rac Seexeba mobrunebas, amasTan
dakavSirebiT naTqvami aqvs, rom
manqanebi iyo wamosayvani da pirebi
Caiyvanes.
_ giorgi, damikonkreteT:
arasrulwlovanma z.x.-m narekvav-
is agarakze momxdar konfliqtze,
miuxedavad imisa, rom is saxlidan
ar gamosula, icoda Tu ara?
_ TbilisSi rom wamovidnen, gaigo
_ Ciqovans Tavi hqonda gatexili.
_ gzaSi SurisZiebaze araferi
`am manqanaSi uSualod konfliqtis monawile
pirebi isxdnen da maTi naxva undodaT,
romlebmac scemes - Tavi gautexes da a. S.,
Tumca SaqaraSvili da amirxanaSvili am
konfliqtTan aranair kavSirSi ar iyvnen, anu
ar Cxubobdnen da maTTvis arc fizikuri ziani
miuyenebiaT. amitomac iyo, rom xma ar amoiRes
- amirxanaSvils araferi uTxres, Caiyvanes da
TbilisSi datoves. faqtia, rom amirxanaSvili
ar ucemiaT da es gamoZiebiTac dgindeba~
uTqvamT Tu aragvis xidebTan
SaqaraSvilsa da mis Tanmxleb
pirebs SemTxveviT Sexvdnen?
_ ra Tqma unda, SemTxveviT Sexvdnen.
_ Tu SemTxveviT Sexvdnen, „qam-
ri” ratom gaaCeres?
_ am manqanaSi uSualod konfliqtis
monawile pirebi isxdnen
da maTi naxva undodaT, romlebmac
scemes _ Tavi gautexes da a. S.,
Tumca SaqaraSvili da amirxanaSvili
am konfliqtTan aranair kav-
SirSi ar iyvnen, anu ar Cxubobdnen
da maTTvis arc fizikuri ziani
miuyenebiaT. amitomac iyo, rom xma
ar amoiRes _ amirxanaSvils
araferi uTxres, Caiyvanes da TbilisSi
datoves. faqtia, rom amirxanaSvili
ar ucemiaT da es gamo-
ZiebiTac dgindeba.
_ samagierod, SaqaraSvils
araTu scemes, aramed 19 wlis biWi
gardaicvala.
_ ukacravad, axla amirxanaSvilze
vsaubrob. Sesabamisad,
SaqaraSvilis mimarTac analogiuri
damokidebulebiT iqnebodnen,
radgan isini narekvavSi momxdar
konfliqtSi ar monawileobdnen.
_ Tqveni dacvis qveS myofi
arasrulwlovani CvenebaSi marTla
ambobs, rom „qamris” mgzavreb-
ma amirxanaSvils misi megobris,
anu SaqaraSvilis moZebna da TbilisSi
misi wamoyvanac SesTavaz-
es?
_ diax, manqanaSi myofma pirebma
SesTavazes, Tu survili gaqvs,
moZebne da erTad wagiyvanTo, magram
amirxanaSvilma uari ganacxada
da Tqva, ara, TbilisSi wavide-
To.
_ es detali imaze xom ar mianiSnebs,
rom aragvis xidebTan momxdar
tragediaze amirxanaSvil-
ma Zalian bevri ram icis?
_ ver getyviT, amirxanaSvilma
ra SeiZleba icodes da ra _ ara,
magram gamoZiebasTan ar Tanam-
Sromloben da arakeTilsindisier
mowmeebad gvevlinebian.
_ arakeTilsindisieri mowmee-
bi ratom arian?
_ Cvenebas araerTxel cvlian da
sakiTxavia, amis Semdeg am adamianebis
ra unda daijero?
_ giorgi, Tqveni SefasebiT,
saxelmwifos am saqmis mimarT in-
teresi imitom aqvs, rom viRacas
xels afarebs Tu gamoZieba Tavid-
anve zereled daiwyo da faqtebs
imitom itom Cqmalavs, rom ar unda,
sakuTari araprofesionalizmi
aRiaros?
_ am kiTxvaze pasuxi mas Semdeg
mecodineba, gamoZieba rom dasruldeba
da saqme sasamarTloSi
gaigzavneba, Tumca axlac faqtia,
rom gamoZiebasTan mimarTebiT
Zalian bevri kiTxvaa. yvelafers
Tavi rom davaneboT, SemTxvevis
adgili, sadac amirxanaSvili imaleboda,
daiwva da es ukve Zalian
did kiTxvis niSans aCens!
_ diax, magram SemTxveviT
dawvis versiaze kiTxvis niSnebi
mirian nikolaZes ar aqvs.
_ Zalian samwuxaroa, rom biZas
kiTxvebi ar uCndeba. davuSvaT, gamoZieba
sul idealurad rom mimdinareobdes
da is piric dadgenili
hyavdes, vinc gardacvalebis
Semswrea an gardacvalebasTan kav-
Siri aqvs, elementarulad kiTxvas
masac davusvamT, _ iqneb, masTan
erTad meore piric idga? policiam
amirxanaSvilis samalavis dacva
mxolod dawvis Semdeg daiwyo,
manamde ki ar icavda da rogor
SeiZleba, amaze kiTxva ar gqondes?
_ giorgi SaqaraSvils, roca
oTxdRiani Zebnis Semdeg aragvSi
ipoves, fexsacmeli da windebi ar
ecva, Tumca perangze Rilebi Sek-
ruli hqonda. es detali saeWvo
araa?
_ es ufro eqspertizam unda
gviTxras, miT umetes, rom kompleqsuri
eqspertiza daniSnulia.
marTali ar viqnebi, rom vTqva,
wyali Rilebs gauxsnida Tu ara.
eqspertebi imitom arseboben, rom
yvelaferi es daadginon.
_ ise, giorgi, ras elodebiT _
Tqveni dacvis qveS myofi aras-
rulwlovani am saqmidan rogor
gamova?
_ molodini ar maqvs, rom ganzrax
mkvlelobis muxliT mis mimarT
brali damZimebda. aranairi
mtkicebuleba ar arsebobs, romelic
amas daadasturebs _ mas
SaqaraSvilTan fizikuri siaxlovec
ki ar hqonia!
_ e. i. ukve wayenebuli muxliT
miusjian Tu sasamarTlo saer-
Tod gaaTavisuflebs?
_ imis Sesaxebac araerTxel
gviTqvams, rom arc amirxanaSvilis
Tavisuflebis ukanono aRkveTa
yofila _ amirxanaSvili Tavad ambobs,
rom sakuTari nebiT gahyva
maT. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob,
z.x. am mimarTulebiT unda gamarTldes!
saerTod, jgufuri Zaladoba
da masSi monawileoba absoluturad
sxva kategoriis dana-
Saulia. warmoidgineT, saxelmwifom,
jgufuri ZaladobiTa da mas-
Si monawileobiT, anu 245-e muxliT,
20 ivniss dakavebulebs wauyena
brali.
_ diax, amis Sesaxeb cnobilia...
_ hoda, am SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifos
warmomadgenels winaaRmdegobas
ar vuwevT.
_ giorgi, Tqveni ar vici da
piradad me ki mgonia, rom am saqmeze
simarTles verasodes gav-
igebT...
_ imedi maqvs, rom dadgindeba,
Tumca ar vici, realurad ra iqneba.
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