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goWiviT aris atexili~
`ruseTi gadamwyvet momentSi ukan ixevs xolme. aslan abaSiZis SemTxvevaSic
ase moxda. marTalia, Tavidan aafeTqes xidebi Coloqze, magram Zalian male
damokidebuleba Secvales. metic: moskovidan kaci afrines, romelmac abaSiZe
saqarTvelodan waiyvana~
tpatimrebi Zlivs gamovaSvebineT
da axla kidev erTxel upireben
daWeras. giorgi ruruas
gamoSvebazec uars amboben. arada,
8 martis SeTanxmebiT isic
unda gamosuliyo sapatimrodan.
samgle goWiviT aris „ocneba”
atexili da warmodgena ar
maqvs, risi an visi imedi aqvs?
kaciSvili magaT aRar uWers
mxars.
_ viRacis imedi rom ar
hqondeT, albaT, ase ar iTav-
xedebdnen. meocnebeebi Zalian
Tavdajerebulebi Canan.
_ ar mgonia, rom Tavdajerebulebi
arian, es mdgomareoba
ufro agonias hgavs. maTi erTaderTi
imedi axla ruseTia. 2004
wels aslan abaSiZec rusebis
imediT iyo. fiqrobda, rusuli
tankebi momexmarebian da aWaris
regions jibeSi davitovebo. bi-
Zinac albaT fiqrobs, rom mas
rusuli tankebi miexmareba. arada,
amis imedi sul tyuilad
aqvs.
_ ratom?
_ ruseTi gadamwyvet momentSi
ukan ixevs xolme. aslan
abaSiZis SemTxvevaSic ase moxda.
marTalia, Tavidan aafeTqes
xidebi Coloqze, magram Zalian
male damokidebuleba Secvales.
metic: moskovidan kaci afrines,
romelmac abaSiZe saqarTvelodan
waiyvana.
_ abaSiZe aWaris mmarTveli
iyo, ivaniSvili ki saqarTvelos
marTavs. marTalia, araoficialurad,
magram mainc marTavs.
rusebi mis dasacavad uf-
ro gamoideben Tavs.
_ ara mgonia, moskovma erTi
rigiTi oligarqis gamo dasavleTTan
kidev ufro gaifuWos
saqme. maTi ekonomika isedac
CamoSlilia da kidev sanqciebi
undaT? ruseTi, rogorc saxelmwifo,
aRar arsebobs, ruseTs
dRes putinis piradi bandebi
marTaven. aseTi marTvis
sistema aqac nel-nela gadmodis
_ ivaniSvili cdilobs, rom
Cveni qveyana misma piradma bandebma
marTon. rogorc TavSi
ukve giTxariT, undaT, rom
saqarTvelo ruseTis guberniad
aqcion. amas verc ruseTi da
verc biZina ver eRirsebian.
ivaniSvili aucileblad wava
daTmobaze. magas arc sakonstitucio
cvlilebebis miReba undoda,
erTxel Caagdebina kidevac
„meamboxe” maJoritarebs,
magram dasavleTis zewoliT
iZulebuli gaxda, daTmobaze
wasuliyo. evropisa da amerikis
daxmarebiT proporciulTan miaxloebuli
arCevnebi miviReT.
kargi iqneboda, srulad proporciuli
wesi migveRo, magram
es ar gamovida. maJoritarebTan
ganSoreba yvela xelisufals
uWirda saqarTveloSi. es maxinji
sistema arc SevardnaZem gaauqma
da arc _ saakaSvilma.
Tavidan marto Cven, leiboristebi
vambobdiT, rom es iyo
maxinji sistema da mis gauqmebas
viTxovdiT. am sakiTxSi opoziciaSi
mxardamWerebi maSin ar
gvyavda. droTa ganmavlobaSi
mTeli politikuri speqtri
mivida im daskvnamde, rom es
maxinji sistema unda gauqmebuliyo.
araa SemTxveviTi, rom
amaze swored opoziciam atexa
xmauri leiboristebis ofisSi.
gaimarTa araerTi molaparakeba
da didi gansxvavebulobis
miuxedavad, opoziciuri erToba
Sedga. am erTobas ukve seriozulad
Sexeda dasavleTma.
_ samagierod, „qarTuli ocneba”
aRgiqvamT araseriozulad.
opoziciis erTobas „Sa-
likos fanCaturs” eZaxian,
radgan Sexvedrebi xom Tqveni
partiis ezoSi imarTeba.
_ amaze Zalian mecineba. amaT
isic ki ar ician, rom swored
fanCaturebSi keTdeba didi
saqmeebi. saqarTveloSi odiT-
`volski is pirovnebaa, romelic salome
zurabiSvils arafriT Camouvardeba, masac
sakmaod maRali Tanamdeboba ukavia da
parlamentis vice-spikeri gaxalvT. es personac
Zalian samarcxvino gancxadebebs akeTebs. is
kidev ra saSineli hyavT `ocnebaSi~, Tmakulula
biWi rom aris. mas me kobaxisTavianiZe
Sevarqvi. xisTaviani rom ar iyos, iseT rameebs
ar ityoda, rasac eg ambobs~
gan ase iyo. gveZaxon „Salikos
fanCaturi” da iyvnen. iq jdomas
marTlac araferi sjobs,
iseTi kargi ezoa. „ocnebis” Sefasebebi
ar mainteresebs. radgan
am fanCaturs dasavleTi
uwevs angariSs. kremli Tu ar
gvaRiarebs, amaze piriqiT, madlobas
vityviT. is, rom dRes
dasavleTi xelisuflebis mimarT
aseTi kritikulia, Cveni
lideris mravalwliani muSaobis
Sedegia. is wlobiT dadioda
amerikaSi, xvdeboda senatorebsa
da kongresmenebs. sxva
opozicionerebic dadiodnen,
magram batoni Salva yvelaze
aqtiuri iyo. man Zalian bevri
samuSao gawia da dRes vaSingtonma
ukve icis, Tu ras warmoadgenen
„qarTuli ocneba” da misi
lideri. amitomac laparakoben
sanqciebze. am sanqciebis Si-
SiT SeiZleba arCevnebis gayalbebaze
uari Tqvan, magram romc
gaayalbon, didad arc am SemTxvevaSi
Seicvleba suraTi. „qar-
Tuli ocneba” yvelaze utifari
arCevnebiTac ki veRar gaiformebs
umravlesobas parlament-
Si. Tan utifrobas arc dasavleTi
apatiebs da arc _ qarTveli
xalxi.
_ Cvenma xalxma araerT xe-
lisuflebas apatia utifroba
da raRa axla gadaireva sa-
zogadoeba?
_ axla sxvanairia suraTi.
yvela xvdeba, rom ase Tu gagr-
Zelda, saxelmwifo Tavze dagveSleba.
roca Cveni xalxi garedan
mxardaWeras grZnobs, gamarjvebis
imedi aqvs da aRarafers
patiobs xelisuflebas.
„qarTul ocnebas” isedac bevri
apatia sazogadoebam.
_ aseTi mxardaWera jer
opozicias ar hqonia da viTom
gamoiyenebT rameSi? ki ambobT,
rom utifrobas „ocnebas” ar-
avin apatiebso, magram xalxi
mainc pesimisturad aris ganw-
yobili.
_ dasavleTi opozicias ar
uWers mxars, dasavleTs saqar-
Tvelos demokratiuli ganvi-
Tareba unda. demokratiul ganviTarebas
irCevs opoziciac.
evropisa da amerikis mxardaWeris
Sedegs Semodgomaze vixilavT.
nu gaviwydebaT, rom ivaniSvili
ekonomikuri sanqciebis
dawesebis oficialuri kandidatia.
sanqcirebis kandidatebi
ki viciT, rogorc amTavreben.
win seriozuli brZola
gvelis da Secdomis daSvebis
ufleba ar gvaqvs. xelisuflebas
yvela gza unda gadavuketoT,
raTa arCevnebi veRar gaayalbos.
amaSi Zalian gvexmareba
dasavleTi, gansakuTrebiT
aSS aqtiurobs. aTasi madloba
gvaqvs vaSingtonisTvis saTqmeli.
seriozulad SeeSleba xeli
muSaobaSi Saliko ramiSvilebis,
kokino yandiaSvilebisa da laSa
nacvliSvilebis trolebs, rac
Zalian daartyams „qarTul ocnebas”.
arc is mgonia SemTxveviTi
ambavi, rom amerikis elCi xeli-
suflebis yvela Stos warmomadgenlebs
xvdeba. es qalbatoni
Zalian did samuSaos asrulebs.
misi aqtiurobac marwmunebs,
rom amerikis saxiT Zalian didi
megobari gvyavs. isini rom ara,
verc konstituciaSi SevitandiT
cvlilebebs. opoziciis
mondomeba da xalxis aqtiuroba
Sedegs ar gamoiRebda. dasavleTis
Carevis Semdeg maJoritarebis
raodenoba, faqtobrivad,
ganaxevrda.
_ 30 maJoritaris arCeva
mouwevs mosaxleobas. Tqveni
azriT, 30 maJoritaridan xe-
lisufleba ramdenis gayvanas
moaxerxebs?
_ es opoziciis koordinebul
muSaobaze iqneba damokidebuli.
erTmaneTs unda davudgeT
gverdiT, sxvanairad ver
gavimarjvebT.
_ Tqveni lideri naZaladev-
Si apirebs maJoritarobas.
Zalian mZime raioni Sexvda da
bolo kvlevac ar iZleva didi
imedis safuZvels.
_ uimedod sulac ar var ganwyobili.
es kvleva CemTvis arafers
niSnavs. gamoricxulia,
rom Salvas 20% hqondes da
„ocnebis” kandidats _ 40-ze
meti. Tan im droisTvis, roca
kvleva Catarda, mmarTvel partias
Tavisi kandidati jer dasaxelebuli
ar hyavda. gamokiTxvebi
pirobiTia. maJoritareb-
Tan dakavSirebiT opozicia maqsimalurad
iTanamSromlebs. Zalian
kargia, rom maJoritarobis
kandidats 50%-iani barieris
gadalaxva mouwevs.
_ kargi ratom aris?
_ imitom, rom mogeba iseTi
martivi aRar iqneba, rogorc
aqamde iyo. erTad Tu viqnebiT,
maJoritarebis umetesobas opozicia
gaiyvans. mjera, rom am
mimarTulebiTac zurgze daideba
xelisufleba. rac Seexeba
proporciul mimarTulebas,
„qarTuli ocnebis” maqsimumi
35% iqneba. ivaniSvili amaze
mets ver miiRebs, rac ar unda
iyidos da daaSinos xalxi. mmarTveli
partiis warmomadgenlebi
acxadeben, rom 55% aqvT.
maT vurCev, rom procentebTan
cota frTxilad iyvnen. eg zedmeti
procentebi iqneba, maT
cxviris Zvals rom Caumsxvrevs.
_ xmebis dacvas Tu SeZlebs
opozicia?
_ xmebs aucileblad davicavT.
axla 2016 weli aRar aris,
rodesac arc erTi saarCevno
ubani ar gaxsnes. ubansac gaxsnian
da Cemodnebsac Caalageben.
ivaniSvils, rogorc vici, ukve
Calagebuli aqvs Cemodnebi. mas
Zalian kargad moexseneba, Tu
ras niSnavs amerikuli sanqciebi.
momaval arCevnebs imedianad
vuyureb. Tqvens mkiTxvels Tamamad
SemiZlia vuTxra, rom bi-
Zinas, anu vaWrebis diqtatura
saqarTveloSi dasrulebulia.
es Semodgomaze oficialurad
gaformdeba.
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