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ra safrTxes uqmnis saqarTvelos somxeT-

am Temaze arc Cveni politiko-

giorgi abaSiZe

sebi saubroben da arc _ media. arada,

Cvens mezoblad, anu saqarTvelos

sazRvridan 55 kilometrSi, SeiaraRebuli konfliqtis ker-

aa. saubaria somxeTisa da azerbaijanis dapirispirebaze. sxvaTa

Soris, es pirveli SemTxvevaa, roca mudmivad dapirispirebuli

ori mezobeli qveyana erTmaneTs mTian yarabaRSi ki ara, sxvagan

daupirispirda da saqme iqamdec mivida, rom oficialuri baqo

oficialur erevans atomur eleqtrosadgurze TavdasxmiT dae-

muqra. Tu es konfliqti farTomasStabian SeiaraRebul dapiri-

spirebaSi gadaizrdeba, ra elis saqarTvelos?

„qronika+~ gTavazobT intervius

usafrTxoebis eqsp-

ert konstantine forCxiZesTan,

romelic wlebis ganmavlobaSi

samxedro kontrdaz-

vervis maRalCinosani gaxldaT

da aRniSnul Temebs zedmiwven-

iT kargad icnobs:

_ batono kote, somxeT-azerbaijanis

konfliqtis ganax-

lebis sababi da mizezi, Tqveni

azriT, ra unda iyos?

_ marTalia, somxeTi oficialurad

ruseTis strategiuli

mokavSirea, magram paSinianis

mosvlis Semdeg xelisuflebis

moqmedebebSi prodasavluri

elementebi gaCnda. yvelafers

Tavi rom davaneboT, qveynis

mmarTvelobis forma ufro

demokratiuli gaxda, anu saprezidentodan

saparlamentoze

gadavida. es avtoritaruli

saxelmwifoebisTvis aradamaxasiaTebelia.

mokled, paSinianma

saxelmwifo mowyobis, daaxloebiT,

iseTi modeli Seqmna, rogoric

Cven gvaqvs. erTi sityviT,

somxeTSi demokratiuli

Zvrebi SeiniSneba, rac im qveyanas,

anu ruseTs, romelsac imperiuli

ambiciebi aqvs, ar awyobs.

_ e. i., eWvobT, rom is, rac

axla somxeT-azerbaijans Soris

xdeba kremlis provocire-

bulia?

_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod,

verc alievi gabedavs da verc

_ paSiniani, rom aseTi moqmedebebi

SeuTanxmeblad daiwyos.

_ anu?

_ SeuZlebelia, amis Sesaxeb

ruseTs, romelsac SeuZlia,

yvelaferi wamSi gaaCeros, Tavidanve

ar scodnoda.

_ batono kote, ambobT, rom

somxeTSi demokratiuli pro-

cesebi daiwyo. Sesabamisad,

igive paSiniani kremls xom

aRar daemorCileba?

_ gasagebia, magram swored

magas vambob, rom kremls somxeTSi

dawyebuli demokratiuli

procesebi ar awyobs. aseTi

saomari moqmedebebi ki somxe-

Tis mosaxleobaSi xelisuflebis

mimarT ndoba, minimum, Seiryeva

da, saboloo jamSi, saqme

SesaZloa, paSinianis mTavrobis

Secvlamde mivides. sxvaTa Soris,

aseTi scenari kremls araerTxel

gauTamaSebia.

_ somxeT-azerbaijanis mtroba

ramdenime aTeul wels iTvlis,

magram Tqvens xelT arsebuli

informaciiT, axla konfliqti

romeli mxaris inicia-

tiviT ganaxlda?

_ es ar vici, magram me Sedegebis

mixedviT vmsjelob. es

Sedegi ki isaa, rom oficialuri

baqo somxeTs daemuqra,

rom ieriSs mis atomur eleqtrosadgurze

miitans. am sadgurze

ieriSis mitana mxolod

somxeTisTvis ki ara, mTeli regionisTvis

katastrofa iqneba!

amasTan, isic ar unda dagvaviwydes,

rom is raioni, sadac somxeT-azerbaijanis

Sexla-Semoxla

mimdinareobs, saqarTvelos

sazRvarTan Zalian axlosaa,

Tumca simarTle giTxraT, ar

mgonia, rom es konfliqti far-

TomasStabian omSi gadaizardos.

_ ratom ar ggoniaT?

_ saboloo jamSi, ruseTi

Caereva.

_ Tu ruseTs, rogorc momrigebels,

am konfliqtSi Careva

unda, dros ratomRa wel-

avs?

_ rogorc giTxariT, kremli

elodeba, rom somxeTis xelisuflebam

eleqtoratSi qulebi

dakargos.

_ ise, zogi ambobs, rom ofi-

cialuri baqos ukan SesaZloa,

TurqeTi idges. am versias

iziarebT, batono kote?

_ ara.

_ damisabuTeT, ratom?

_ es SeTqmulebis Teoriaa,

romelsac ar unda gavyveT.

_ is, rom baqos interesebi

SesaZloa, oficialurma an-

karam gaamagros, SeTqmulebis

Teoria ratom aris?

_ zogi imasac ambobs, am konfliqtSi

ruseTi Caereva da somxeTis

dasaxmareblad misi jarebi

saqarTveloze gaivliano,

magram, Cemi SefasebiT, procesebi

am scenariT ar ganviTardeba.

sxvaTa Soris, somxeTsa da

azerbaijans Soris konfliqti

2016 welsac ganaxlda, magram

maleve dasrulda.

_ ki batono, magram axla,

mgoni, sxva mocemulobaa _ bo-

los da bolos, ramdenime dRis

win baqoSi mravalaTasiani aqcia

gaimarTa da xalxma xe-

lisuflebas,

praqtikulad,

omis dawyeba mosTxova.

_ mesmis, magram vimeoreb: ar

mgonia, rom yvelaferi farTomasStabian

SeiaraRebul dapirispirebaSi

gadaizardos. es scenari

arc TurqeTis interesSia

da arc _ ruseTis. zogadad,

axla iseTi mocemulobaa, rom

ruseTi verc azerbaijanis mxares

dadgeba da verc _ somxe-

Tis. aqve isic ar dagaviwydeT,

rom samive qveyana _ ruseTi,

azerbaijani da somxeTic „odekabes”

wevria da SeuZliaT, nebismieri

problema „odekabes”

sxdomaze moagvaron. ise, rasac

axla vambob, Cemi logikuri

dakvirvebis Sedegia da ar vamtkiceb,

rom WeSmaritebaa.

_ vTqvaT, Tqveni prognozi

ar gamarTlda da somxeT-azer-

baijanis konfliqti, minimum,

droSi gaiwela. amiT Cveni qveyana

ra safrTxis winaSe dadge-

ba?

_ Tu konfliqti didxans

gagrZeldeba, bunebrivia, Cvenc

Segvexeba.

_ rogor?

_ jer erTi, yvelaferi es

Cvens samezobloSi xdeba. meorec,

saqarTvelos sxvadasxva

regionSi eTnikuri azerbaijanelebi

da somxebi kompaqturad

cxovroben. amas garda, qvemo

qarTlSi iseTi raionebicaa, sa-

konstantine forCxiZe:

`kremli elodeba,

rom somxeTis

xelisuflebam

eleqtoratSi

qulebi dakargos~

dac azerbaijanuli da somxuri

soflebi, praqtikulad, erTmaneTis

mezobladaa. xelisuflebam

swored amas unda miaqcios

yuradReba. mokled, Tu somxeTazerbaijanis

dapirispireba aqtiur

fazaSi Sevida, yvelaferi

es SesaZloa, CvenTanac gadmovides.

saerTod, konfliqts e. w.

gadadineba axasiaTebs, miT umetes,

iseT regionebSi, rogor-

Sic Cven vcxovrobT. ise, somxuri

mosaxleoba ruseTisgan okupirebul

afxazeTSicaa. marneuli

ki, sadac azerbaijanelebi

cxovroben, TbilisTan axlosaa.

amasTan, arcTu didi xnis

winaT daviT garejTan dakav-

SirebiT garkveuli daZabuloba

arsebobda.

_ sxvaTa Soris, marneulSi

nariman narimanovis Zeglis

gamo procesebi axlac duRs _

ramdenime dRis win „qarTulma

marSma” am Zeglis aReba moiTxova.

am Temaze sus-Si gamoZie-

`paSinianma saxelmwifo mowyobis, daaxloebiT,

iseTi modeli Seqmna, rogoric Cven gvaqvs.

erTi sityviT, somxeTSi demokratiuli Zvrebi

SeiniSneba, rac im qveyanas, anu ruseTs,

romelsac imperiuli ambiciebi aqvs, ar awyobs~

bacaa dawyebuli...

_ diax, magram ZeglTan dakavSirebuli

problema sadavo

Temaa.

_ anu?

_ yvelaferi informaciis naklebobam

ganapiroba... xelisufleba

kanonebis Sesrulebas

yuradRebas unda aqcevdes.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ Cveni kanonmdeblobiT, ar

SeiZleba, saqarTveloSi sabWo-

Ta simbolikiani Zeglebi idges,

anu Tu stalinis Zegli moxsnilia,

viRacam SeiZleba, ikiTxos,

_ narimanovis Zegli ratom

dgaso? erTi sityviT, yvelaferi

es, Cemi azriT, garedan inspirirebuls

ufro hgavs, vidre

imas, rom romelime Sida

politikurma dajgufebam es sakiTxi

sakuTari interesebisTvis

gamoiyenos. zogadad, aseTi

raRacebi axali araa da somxeTazerbaijanis

daZabulobis fonze

SesaZlebelia, rom inspiraciis

axali momentebi CvenTanac

gaCndes. amitomac vambob,

rom xelisuflebas maqsimaluri

operatiuli yuradReba mar-

Tebs.

_ operatiuli yuradReba

mxolod axla ki ara, yovelT-

vis aucilebelia, magram 2008

wlis agvistos omidan 12 wlisTavi

axlovdeba. hoda, sifrTxile,

mgoni, am mimarTul-

ebiTac ar gvawyenda, anu Tu

kremli somxeTis daxmarebas

gadawyvets, yvela variantSi

saqarTveloze gaivlis da es

Cveni okupaciis axali sababi

xom ar gaxdeba?

_ ruseTi somxeTs saqarTveloze

gavlis gareSe daxmarebas

ver gauwevs, magram mainc

mgonia, rom kremli amas ar gaakeTebs.

bolo dros e. w. politikuri

samkuTxedi Camoyalibda.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ irani, azerbaijani da

ruseTi bolo dros erTmaneTs

Zalian dauxlovdnen. am daax-

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