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`Zala erTobaSias~ ar datovebs!~
male gaigebT!
_ kargi, magram 2018 wlis sap-
rezidento arCevnebis win „Zala
erTobaSias” wevrma partiebma
memorandumi gaaformeT, romlis
Tanaxmadac saparlamento arCevnebze
erTiani siiT unda gamox-
videT. es SeTanxmeba ZalaSia?
_ diax, Cven am memorandumis
erTgulebi varT!
_ e. i., „Zala erTobaSias” er-
Tiani sia eqneba?
_ vimeoreb: Cven am memorandumis
erTgulebi varT da amas
Zalian male dainaxavT! is, rom
bevrs ar vlaparakobT, es imas ar
niSnavs, rom im nabijebsa da gadawyvetilebebs
ar mivdevT, romelic
Tavis droze gadavdgiT d
miviReT!
_ Tu „Zala erTobaSias” romelime
politikuri subieqti da-
tovebs, amiT xalxs erTianobis
gancda aRar eqneba. arada, amomrCevlis
mTavari SekveTa, dameT-
anxmeT, rom swored erTianobaa!
_ diax, magram geubnebiT, rom
„Zala erTobaSias” kidev bevri
partia daemateba.
_ SeiZleba, magram mTavaria,
iseTi partia daematos, romelsac
gavlena aqvs, Torem erT-
orkaciani partiis Semomateba ra
xeirs mogcemT?
_ „Zala erTobaSia” erTad
yofnis iZulebiTi ki ara, gamarjvebis
aucilebeli modelia! yvelas
mivesalmebiT, visac survili
aqvs, rom „Zala erTobaSias” formatSi
iyos, magram Tu vinmes sxva
mocemuloba da amocana eqneba,
esec bunebrivi iqneba.
_ bunebrivi ratom iqneba?
_ es cocxali organizmia da
yvelaferi urTierTSeTanxmebis
safuZvelze xdeba da ara _ imis,
rom vinme SesaZloa, vinmeze nawyeni
iyos.
_ batono zurab, Tu ise
moxdeba, rom arCevnebSi „ocneba”
40-procentamde aiRebs, Tqveni
azriT, opoziciaSi xom ar gamoCndebian
partiebi, romelTa dax-
marebiTac ivaniSvilis gundi saparlamento
umravlesobas Seqm-
nis da, Sesabamisad, mTavrobasac
isev Tavad daakompleqtebs?
_ msgavss sakiTxebs cota ufro
masStaburad da Soridan vuyureb.
_ anu?
_ daSveba da albaToba, ra Tqma
unda, yvelafris SeiZleba da
Tqveni kiTxvac sruliad legitimuria,
Tumca mTavari mainc sazogadoebrivi
ganwyobaa, anu sazogadoebam
miiRo gadawyvetileba,
rom „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi
aRar unda iyos.
aqedan gamomdinare, Tu romelime
politikuri partia gadawyvets,
rom „ocnebas” iq gahyves, sadac
misi gzaa, es am partiis arCevani
iqneba, Tumca garwmunebT, rom
msgavsi mmarTveloba SesaZloa,
Zalian mcire albaTobiT iqnas
daSvebuli!
_ partia „kanoni da samarTlis”
lideri Riad da daufara-
vad ambobs, rom „evropuli
saqarTvelo” fsevdoopoziciaa.
Tqven ras fiqrobT?
_ yvelas, gansakuTrebiT,
opoziciaSi movuwodeb, rom piradi
wyena gadados! dRes yvelaze
mTavari sazogadoebis ganwyobis
Sesabamisad moqmedebaa! sazogadoebis
ganwyoba ki isaa, rom arsebuli
ganukiTxavi, arafrismomcemi
da damangreveli periodi
unda dasruldes. momaval nebismier
koaliciur mTavrobas saqar-
Tvelos mosaxleoba, ase vTqvaT,
daalagebs. am dalagebis pirvel
niSnebs ki 31 oqtombers davinaxavT!
_ am „dalagebaSi” gadamwyveti
roli mixeil saakaSvils eqneba,
romelic cxadia, mniSvnelovani
faqtoria?
_ mixeil saakaSvili faqtori
mxolod saqarTveloSi ki ara,
ufro did masStabzea, rasac yvelani
vxedavT. aqedan gamomdinare,
saqarTvelos politikaSi misi
roli Zalian didia da aseve is
„nacionalur moZraobasTanac”
pirdapir kavSirSia!
_ batono zurab, ramdenime
dRis win saakaSvils vano merabiSvili
Sexvda. Ss yofili ministris
politikuri gaaqtiure-
ba „nacionalur moZraobaze”
N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.
`Zala erTobaSia~ erTad yofnis iZulebiTi ki ara, gamarjvebis aucilebeli
modelia! yvelas mivesalmebiT, visac survili aqvs, rom `Zala erTobaSias~
formatSi iyos, magram Tu vinmes sxva mocemuloba da amocana eqneba, esec
bunebrivi iqneba~
cudad xom ar imoqmedebs?
_ jer erTi, Zalian kargi, rom
saakaSvils Sexvda. meorec, merabiSvilma
cudad ratom unda imoqmedos?
is ivaniSvilma Svidi wlis
ganmavlobaSi cixeSi Casva da es,
sxvaTa Soris, im saqarTveloSi
moxda, romlis dangrevisa da
gadawvisTvis arc erTi Tanamdebobis
piri arc erT xelisuflebas
cixeSi ar gauSvia! vano merabiSvili
ki samagaliTod dasajes _ is
ivaniSvilis piradi patimari iyo!
_ ivaniSvil-merabiSvilis ur-
TierTobaze ki ara, xalxis ganw-
yobaze gkiTxeT, anu xalxs jer
kidev ar daviwyebia, rom merabiSvilis
Ss ministrobis dros qvey-
anaSi bevri cudi moxda...
_ Tqven xom saakaSvilisa da merabiSvilis
Sexvedraze mkiTxeT?
_ ufro konkretulad imaze
gkiTxeT, merabiSvilis polit-
gaaqtiureba „nacmoZraobaze”
cudad xom ar imoqmedebs-meTqi?
_ cudad ratom unda imoqmedos?
_ kiTxvas sxvanairad dagisvamT:
romelime regionSi merabiSvili
„nacmoZraobis” maJori-
`maJoritarobis kandidati vin iqneba da vin -
ara, dagvitoveT ufleba, rom es informacia
partiam Tavis droze gaavrcelos. opoziciis
erTianobis principidan gamomdinare, Cven
Tbilisis maJoritarobis ori kandidatura
davasaxeleT. yvela sxva kandidats ki Zalian
male warvadgenT!~
tarobis kandidati iqneba?
_ maJoritarobis kandidati
vin iqneba da vin _ ara, dagvitoveT
ufleba, rom es informacia
partiam Tavis droze gaavrcelos.
opoziciis erTianobis
principidan gamomdinare, Cven
Tbilisis maJoritarobis ori kandidatura
davasaxeleT. yvela
sxva kandidats ki Zalian male
warvadgenT!
_ Tbilisis maJoritarebze
unda CagekiTxoT: saburTaloze
„nacionaluri moZraoba” Tako
Carkvianis kandidaturas ratom
ar uWers mxars?
_ „nacionalurma moZraobam”
Tbilisis maJoritarebis kandidatebi
leiboristebis ofisSi
arsebuli opoziciis formatiT
warvadgineT. es kandidatebi nika
melia da levan xabeiSvili arian.
_ es vici, batono zurab, magram
Tu ise moxda, rom arCevneb-
Si mainc „ocnebam” gaimarjva,
opozicia ras izams? anu Tu is
scenari gaTamaSda, romliTac
2018 wlis saprezidento arCev-
nebis meore turi salome zur-
abiSvilma moigo, opozicias ra
meqanizmebi gaqvT, rom gayalbe-
ba ar dauSvaT?
_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom 2018
wlis saprezidento arCevnebi
gadamwyveti ar yofila.
_ amas ratom ambobT?
_ yvelam icoda, rom erTi
prezidenti verafers ganaxorcielebda.
sxvaTa Soris, roca
biZina ivaniSvili prezidentis instituts
sajarod da saxalxod
akritikebda, es ise aRiqmeboda,
rom giorgi margvelaSvils TiTqos
wyenas ar patiobda. sinamdvileSi
ki ivaniSvils sxva rame
hqonda Cafiqrebuli.
_ ra?
_ ivaniSvils undoda, yvelafer
amiT xalxisTvis daenaxvebina,
rom prezidentis instituti
arafers warmoadgens da prezidentobisTvis
brZola, ubralod,
fuWi da wyalSi gadayrili iyo.
aqedan gamomdinare, is Sedegi
dadga, romelic dadga. 2020 wlis
saparlamento arCevnebi ki gadamwyvetia
da am gadamwyvet arCevnebze
yvelafers bolomde gamoviyenebT.
_ anu?
_ Cven gayalbebis winaaRmdeg
araerTi meqanizmi gvaqvs da yvelafer
amis prezentacias siurprizis
saxiT SemogTavazebT! mokled,
„nacionaluri moZraoba” da,
saerTod, mTeli opozicia imisTvis
vemzadebiT, rom am arCevnebze
xalxis ganwyobis Sesabamisi Sedegi
dadges!
_ vnaxoT, ra moxdeba, Tumca
erTic unda gkiTxoT: asea Tu
ise, faqtia _ korona „ocnebis”
mokavSired iqca, miT ufro, rom
meore talRas elodebian da
swored am niadagze xelisuflebam
koronaSezRudvebis SemoRebis
ufleba wlis bolomde gaix-
angrZliva...
_ korona „qarTuli ocnebis”
mokavSire ar gamxdara! „ocnebis”
mokavSire koronas SiSi iyo, Tumca
isic garkveuli periodis ganmavlobaSi.
dRes es SiSi xalxma
daZlia, anu icis, rom korona ganaCeni
araa. ise, ratom ggoniaT,
rom „ocnebam” korona mokavSired
gaixada? _ ra, vinmem rame daxmareba
miiRo, vinmes samsaxuri
SesTavazes Tu mas, vinc samuSao
dakarga, rame benefiti misces?
mas Semdeg, rac sammiliardian
daxmarebaze Tanxmoba miiRo, „ocnebam”
garkveuli danapirebi gasca,
magram am danapirebis miRma 2
milion 700 aTasi moqalaqe dar-
Ca! Tqven ki imaze saubrobT, rom
korona SeiZleba, „ocnebis”
mokavSired iyos aRqmuli?
„ocnebam” SiSi gamoiyena, anu
sxvebs aSinebda, TviTon ki Zalian
cudad iqceoda. ai, magaliTad,
gveubnebodnen, rom avtomqanaSi
win jdoma danaSauli iyo da amis
gamo adamianebs 3 aTasiT ajarimebdnen.
am dros ki jandacvis
ministri wina savarZelze iyo wamoskupebuli
da gvimtkicebda,
sagangebo Stabis xelmZRvaneli
var da CemTvis daSvebuliao. e. i.,
gvmitkicebdnen, rom Tu manqanaSi
win coli da qmari isxdeboda,
korona romelimes ecemoda, magram
Tu mZRolis gverdiT ministri
dajdeboda, mas _ ara! amas
garda, gveubnebodnen, manqaniT
gadaadgileba ar SeiZleba da fexiT
unda iaroTo. am dros ki ma-
RalCinosnebi avtomobilebiT dagrialebdnen
da amaze fiqrobT,
rom sazogadoeba koronas „ocnebis”
mokavSired aRiqvams?
_ batono zurab, ratom mi-
brazdebiT?
_ Tqven ki ar gibrazdebiT, im
adamianebs mivmarTav, vinc fiqrobs,
rom korona xelisuflebis
mokavSirea! vimeoreb: „ocnebis”
mokavSire korona ki ara, koronas
SiSi iyo. ise, „ocnebas” marTla
hqonda Sansi, rom am pandemiis
dros xalxisTvis rame gaekeTebina,
magram is saerTaSoriso daxmarebebi,
romelic Cvens moqalaqeebs
unda mieRoT, iqamde daiyvana,
rom saarCevnod misi feodalkandidatebi
erT litra zeTs,
erT kilogram xaxvs daiWeren, mosaxleobas
miadgebian da daibraleben,
ai, gexmarebiTo. erTi sityviT,
es arCevnebi gadamwyveti
romelime partiisTvis ki ara, qveynisTvisaa!
TiToeulma Cvenganma
unda miviRoT gadawyvetileba:
saxelmwifo gvinda Tu erTi adamianis
mosamsaxureebad yofna?!
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