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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`samwuxaroa, rom SaqaraSvilisramdenime dRis win 19 wlisgiorgi abaSiZegiorgi SaqaraSvilis saqmis erTerTifigurantis, arasrulwlo-van braldebul z.x.-s Cveneba gaxda cnobili. kerZod, gamok-iTxvis oqmSi z.x. im sam pirs asaxelebs, romelic aragvisxidebTan swored iqiT gaiqca, ra mimarTulebiTac giorgiSaqaraSvili mirboda.„...gakidebisas Cemi megobari bi-Webi aRniSnul biWebs eZaxdnen,raTa gaCerebuliyvnen, Tan aginebdnenda lanZRavdnen. win mivrbodiTme da a.q. da ukan mogvyvebodnendanarCenebic, magram Cvenver davewieT maT. rom davweodiT,vcemdiT kidec. sirbilis drosoTxive pirovnebam gadaWra gza...erTi piri iqve arsebul jixurTan,buCqebSi gauCinarda, meore odnavmis qvemoT, amave gzis, amave mxaresbuCqebSi daimala, xolo mesamem ki,romelsac mokle totebiani Sarvali„Sorti” ecva, viwro saavtomobilogzaze Cairbina. me da a.q.gavCerdiT magistralTan arsebulviwro gzaze. ramdenime wamSi Cven-Tan moirbina vaxtang Ciqovanma, vasilmaxaraZem, nikuSa revaziSvilmada aCiko gagniZem. vaxtangma ikiTxa,sad wavidnen is pirebi, visacmivdevdiT, razec me vuTxari, Turomeli sad gaiqca”, _ naTqvamiamediis mier gasajaroebul z.x.-sCvenebaSi, romelSic arasrulwlovanibraldebuli imasac ambobs,rom vaxtang Ciqovanma vasil maxaraZesmimarTa da uTxra, manqanamoiyvaneo. amave CvenebiT, manqanismimarTulebiT wavidnen vasil maxaraZe,z.x. da nikuSa revaziSvili.vaxtang Ciqovani, arCil gagniZe dakidev erTi arasrulwlovani a.q. kiadgilze darCnen.„maT Cairbines magistralzearsebuli xidis qveS, ra mimarTulebiTacgaiqca is erT-erTibiWi, romelsac Cven mivdevdiT”, _naTqvamia z.x.-s CevenebaSi.aqve, SegaxsenebT, rom 17 wlisz.x. „toiota qamris” im eqvsi mgzavridanerT-erTia, romelic mcxe-Tis magistralze mimaval giorgiSaqaraSvilsa da masTan myof axalgazrdebsTavs daesxa.yvelafer amis miuxedavad, z.x.-s advokati, giorgi gelxauri,romelsac „qronika+” esaubra,darwmunebulia, rom misi dacvisqveS myofs 109-e muxliT bralsver daumZimeben, rac ganzrax jgufurmkvlelobas gulisxmobs.amas garda, giorgi gelxaurigveubneba, rom z.x.-s giorgiSaqaraSvilTan Sexeba saerTod arhqonia da igive narekvavSi momxdarCxubzec TbilisSi wamosvlis SemdegSeityo. samagierod, arasrulwlovnisuflebadamcvels kiTxvebifotograf iakob bregvaZesTanaqvs da, minimum, is ainteresebs, Turatomaa am saqmeSi Sss-s pressamsaxurisxelmZRvanel nino giorgobianisnaTesavi dazaralebuli?gTavazobT intervius „SaqaraSvilissaqmeze” braldebul arasrulwlovanz.x.-s advokat gior-gi gelxaurTan:_ giorgi, 19 wlis fexburTel„giorgi SaqaraSvilis saqmeze” Za-lian bevri iTqva da, albaT, kidevbevri iTqmeba, magram fazli met-naklebad rom SevkraT, kidev er-Txel vTqvaT, dRevandeli moc-emulobiT, tragediidan erTiTvis Semdeg, am saqmeze ra viciT?_ es Zalian zogadi kiTxvaa,radgan am saqmeze dReisTvis uamravimasala da 19 tomi arsebobs._ sxvaTa Soris, vidre interviusCaweras daviwyebdiT, gavr-celda informacia, rom SemTxve-vis adgilze TiTqos sisxlianiqvebi ipoves..._ diax, sagamoZiebo moqmedebebiisev mimdinareobs.am droisTvis viciT, romSaqaraSvili asfiqsiiT _ wyalSidaxrCobiTaa gardacvlili da sxeulzesicocxlisdroindeli dazianebebiaReniSneba, magram mTavariisaa, rom ar gvaqvs kiTxvazepasuxi, _ es dazianebebi ra viTarebaSimiadga?_ miuxedavad imisa, rom ucnobia,ra viTarebaSi miayenes gior-gis dazianebebi, misi ojaxi, ufrokonkretulad, advokati miriannikolaZe, romelic gardacvlilifexburTelis Soreuli biZaa,iTxovs, rom „qamris” eqvsive mg-zavrs braldeba 109-e muxliTwauyenon, rac ganzrax jgufurmkvlelobas iTvaliswinebs. Tqvenidacvis qveS myofi arasrul-wlovanic „qamriSi” ijda. mokled,nikolaZis moTxovna im fonze,roca mtkicebulebebi ar arse-bobs, relevanturia?_ ra Tqma unda, dauSvebelia,rom „qamriSi” msxdar eqvsive pirsbrali ganzrax mkvlelobiT wauy-`saqmeSi policiis im TanamSromelTagamokiTxvis oqmebi devs da isini amboben, romyvelaferi detalurad gamokiTxes, TumcabregvaZem ar uTxra. meore sakiTxia, bregvaZemsimarTle uTxra da policiam damala Tuara, magram sapatrulo policiis ekipaJiswevrebi CvenebaSi weren, rom bregvaZes hkiTxes,vin Cxubobda, magram aman upasuxa, arvicnobo. arada, man xom kargad icoda, romkonfliqti agarakze daiwyo, sadac TviTonacimyofeboda? hoda, sapatrulo policias raunda gaekeTebina? sxvaTa Soris, is, rompatrulma `qebebhausis~ lokacia ver aRmoaCinada daagvianda, sxva problemaa~giorgi gelxauri:`fotografi, Turme,dazaralebuliimitomaa, rommoraluri zianimiadga, magramromel moralurzianzea laparaki,roca es adamianiwavida da mTeliRame erToboda?!~eno._ dauSvebeli ratomaa?_ is, rom tragedia moxda daaxalgazrda biWi gardaicvala,Zalian samwuxaroa, magram myarimtkicebulebebisa da argumentebisgareSe eqvsi pirisTvis bralis109-e muxliT wayeneba, damerwmuneT,aranaklebi tragedia iqneba.ratom ar vuSvebT, rom am adamianebidanromelimes 109-e muxlTansaerTod ar hqondes kavSiri daudanaSaulo iyos? yvelaferi esgamoZiebam unda daadginos, anu mtkicebulebebimoipovos da bralimxolod amis Semdeg unda damZimdes.mec, Tqvenc da, saerTod, yvelamkargad viciT, rom bevri ramaadasadgeni. mokled, yvelaferiisea gaSiSvlebuli, rom utyuarimtkicebulebebiT araa dadgenili,SaqaraSvils dazianebebi vin an raviTarebaSi miayena._ rogorc aRvniSne, tragedi-idan erTi Tvea gasuli da axlautyuari mtkicebulebebis mopovebarTuli ki ara, albaT, Seu-Zlebelia. amis gaTvaliswinebiT,batoni nikolaZe „qamris” eqvsivemgzavris mimarT sisxlis samarT-lis aRZvras mainc 109-e muxliTratom iTxovs?_ samwuxaroa, rom amas iTxovsda kidev ufro samwuxaro iqneba,Tu sagamoZiebo samsaxuri am moTxovnasdahyveba da „qamris” mgzavrebsbraldebas daumZimebs!vTqvi da isev vimeoreb: aranaklebitragedia iqneba, Tu mtkicebulebebisgareSe udanaSauloadamians ganzrax mkvlelobisbraldebas wauyeneben! xolo Tumtkicebulebebs ver moipoveben, esarc braldebulebis problemaa daarc _ sxva vinmesi. saxelmwifo imitomarsebobs da amdeni resursi_ sagamoZiebo organoebi Tu sxva_ imitom aqvs, rom iseTi mtkicebulebebimoipovos, romlebiTacgardacvalebis viTareba da adgilicutyuarad dadasturdeba!_ ise, giorgi, Tqveni praqtikidangamomdinare, ra SegiZliaTTqvaT _ gamoZieba mtkice-bulebebis Zebnas SemTxvevidanerTi Tvis Semdeg rom daiwyebs,rames miagnebs?_ amasTan dakavSirebiT Cemiazri aseTia: mtkicebulebebi dasaqme im saRamosve gafuWda, rocabregvaZem masTan misul sapatrulopoliciis TanamSromlebs simarTlear uambo da uTxra, romar icoda, vin Cxubobda. aseve aruTxra, ra moxda da ganacxada, romTiTqos dasavleTidan avtostopiTmodioda. yvelaferi cxelkvalze unda garkveuliyo, miTumetes, rom im dros, roca sapatruloekipaJma bregvaZe Tbilis-Si wamoiyvana, axvlediani isev xidisqveS imyofeboda. aseve xidisqveS iyo is sami manqanac, romelmacaxvledians CaakiTxa.mokled, saubari swored amazea,rom gamoZieba im momentSive cxelkvalze unda dawyebuliyo da dResSesaZloa, sxva suraTi gvqonoda!sxvaTa Soris, es ratom ar moxdada amis gamo pasuxs vin agebs,gamoZiebis sagania._ giorgi, Tqveni versiiT, samarTaldamcvelebmasaqmis gafu-Weba mas Semdeg daiwyes, rac gaiges,rom bregvaZe Sss-s pressamsax-uris xelmZRvanelis mamidaSvilisSvili iyo?_ amas namdvilad ver vityvi.mtkicebulebebis gareSe vinmeskenuapelaciod ver gaviSver xels,magram SesaZlebelia, rom gamoZiebamyvelaferi es daadginos._ rogorc cnobilia, sapatruloekipaJma fotografs momx-daris detalebi ar gamokiTxa,samagierod, taqsis funqcia Seas-rula _ Tbilisamde wamoiyvana. esaraprofesionalizmia?_ saqmeSi policiis im Tanam-SromelTa gamokiTxvis oqmebi devsda isini amboben, rom yvelaferidetalurad gamokiTxes, TumcabregvaZem ar uTxra. meore sakiTx-6 N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.combiZas kiTxvebi ar uCndeba!~ia, bregvaZem simarTle uTxra dapoliciam damala Tu ara, magramsapatrulo policiis ekipaJis wevrebiCvenebaSi weren, rom bregvaZeshkiTxes, vin Cxubobda, magram amanupasuxa, ar vicnobo. arada, man xomkargad icoda, rom konfliqtiagarakze daiwyo, sadac TviTonacimyofeboda? hoda, sapatrulopolicias ra unda gaekeTebina?sxvaTa Soris, is, rom patrulma„qebebhausis” lokacia ver aRmoa-Cina da daagvianda, sxva problemaa._ ar vici, zustad asea Tu ara,magram sapatrulo policiasufleba ar aqvs, rom manqanaSiucxo adamiani Caisvas, miuxedavadimisa, am adamians daxmareba es-aWiroeba Tu ara..._ roca SuaRamisas moqalaqeCxubTan dakavSirebiT SetyobinebasakeTebs, anu ambobs, rom CxubsSeeswro, patrulma, sufTaadamianurad rom vTqvaT, es moqalaqequCaSi unda datovos?_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, patrulmataqsis funqcia ar unda Seas-rulos da, minimum, SemTxvevisadgili daaTvalieros._ am SemTxvevaSi, ukve kriminaluripolicia unda misuliyoda amaSi, ra Tqma unda, geTanxmebiT,magram am konkretul SemTxvevaSi,im sapatrulo ekipaJzevsaubrob, romelic SemTxvevisadgilas mivida da bregvaZe manqanaSiCaisva. vinaidan bregvaZempatruls uTxra, rom aRaraferixdeboda, quCaSi ar datoves daTbilisSi Camoiyvanes._ giorgi, yvelafer im kiTxvebidangamomdinare, rac fotografismimarT arsebobs, Tqveni,rogorc iuristis azri main-teresebs, mas dazaralebulisstatusi unda hqondes?_ sxvaTa Soris, kviras, rocagamokiTxvaze iyo misuli, bregva-Zem ikiTxa, _ dazaralebulis statusiratom maqvso? gamoZiebamupasuxa, _ moraluri ziani mogadgao...magram romel moralur zianzealaparaki, roca es adamianiwavida da mTeli Rame megobrebTanerTad erToboda! bregvaZesdazaralebulis statusTan kavSiri,ra Tqma unda, ar aqvs!_ aba, am saqmeSi ra statusiunda hqodes _ mowmis?_ diax, minimum, mowme unda iyos._ ratom?_ imitom, rom konfliqts mxolodaragvis xidebTan ki ara,agarakzec Seeswro, magram gvaxsovs,misma naTesavma pirdapir br-Zana, bregvaZes dazaralebulisstatusi aqvs da bolomde ase dar-Cebao. esec Zalian samwuxaro garemoebaa!_ giorgi, ori dRis win, tv „pi-rvelze” ganacxadeT, Cemi dacvisqveS myofis Cveneba realobas arSeesabameba da masze policiismxridan zewola moxdao. es TemaganavrceT, anu zewola konkret-ulad ris gamo xdeboda?_ Cemi dacvis qveS myofi arasrulwlovanipoliciis ganyofilebaSi16 saaTis ganmavlobaSi hyavdaT,rac sisxlis samarTlis saprocesokodeqsis normebis ZalianuxeSi darRvevaa. garda amisa, masmxolod fsiqologiuri ki ara,fizikuri Seuracxyofac miayenes.`mtkicebulebebi da saqme im saRamosve gafuWda, roca bregvaZem masTan misulsapatrulo policiis TanamSromlebs simarTle ar uambo da uTxra, rom aricoda, vin Cxubobda. aseve ar uTxra, ra moxda da ganacxada, rom TiTqosdasavleTidan avtostopiT modioda. yvelaferi cxel kvalze undagarkveuliyo, miT umetes, rom im dros, roca sapatrulo ekipaJma bregvaZeTbilisSi wamoiyvana, axvlediani isev xidis qveS imyofeboda. aseve xidis qveSiyo is sami manqanac, romelmac axvledians CaakiTxa~_ kerZod?_ policiis ganyofilebaSi kefaSiCaartyes, sagamoZiebo eqsperimentisdros ki, roca gareT gamoiyvanes_ zurgSi._ policielebi arasrulwlo-van z.x.-s ratom scemdnen, misganra Cvenebis miReba undodaT?_ mas sTxovdnen, daewera da eTqva,rom dainaxa, SaqaraSvili saiTgarboda. aseve SaqaraSvils bolomdevin misdevda, magram yvelaferies realobas ar Seesabameba. sxva-Ta Soris, isic daawerines, romTbilisidan ukan, mcxeTaSi TiTqosSurisZiebis motiviT mibrundnen.saerTod, bevri garemoebaa, racrealobas ar Seesabameba._ rogorc cnobilia, dabadebisdReze Tqveni dacvis qveS myo-fi z.x. mcxeTaSi Ciqovans gahyva,ara?_ diax._ icoda, rom iq konfliqtiukve momxdari iyo?_ agarakze imyofeboda._ anu rogorc ani gabeCava yveba,narekvavSi wveulebaze Ciqovan-Tan erTad gvian mivida?_ diax, is saxlSi iyo da imvideokadrebSi, romlebic amoRebuliada mediisTvisac cnobilia,ar Cans, anu konfliqtSi ar monawileobda.ubralod, agarakze iyoda alkoholur sasmels svamda.rac Seexeba mobrunebas, amasTandakavSirebiT naTqvami aqvs, rommanqanebi iyo wamosayvani da pirebiCaiyvanes._ giorgi, damikonkreteT:arasrulwlovanma z.x.-m narekvav-is agarakze momxdar konfliqtze,miuxedavad imisa, rom is saxlidanar gamosula, icoda Tu ara?_ TbilisSi rom wamovidnen, gaigo_ Ciqovans Tavi hqonda gatexili._ gzaSi SurisZiebaze araferi`am manqanaSi uSualod konfliqtis monawilepirebi isxdnen da maTi naxva undodaT,romlebmac scemes - Tavi gautexes da a. S.,Tumca SaqaraSvili da amirxanaSvili amkonfliqtTan aranair kavSirSi ar iyvnen, anuar Cxubobdnen da maTTvis arc fizikuri zianimiuyenebiaT. amitomac iyo, rom xma ar amoiRes- amirxanaSvils araferi uTxres, Caiyvanes daTbilisSi datoves. faqtia, rom amirxanaSviliar ucemiaT da es gamoZiebiTac dgindeba~uTqvamT Tu aragvis xidebTanSaqaraSvilsa da mis Tanmxlebpirebs SemTxveviT Sexvdnen?_ ra Tqma unda, SemTxveviT Sexvdnen._ Tu SemTxveviT Sexvdnen, „qam-ri” ratom gaaCeres?_ am manqanaSi uSualod konfliqtismonawile pirebi isxdnenda maTi naxva undodaT, romlebmacscemes _ Tavi gautexes da a. S.,Tumca SaqaraSvili da amirxanaSviliam konfliqtTan aranair kav-SirSi ar iyvnen, anu ar Cxubobdnenda maTTvis arc fizikuri zianimiuyenebiaT. amitomac iyo, rom xmaar amoiRes _ amirxanaSvilsaraferi uTxres, Caiyvanes da TbilisSidatoves. faqtia, rom amirxanaSviliar ucemiaT da es gamo-ZiebiTac dgindeba._ samagierod, SaqaraSvilsaraTu scemes, aramed 19 wlis biWigardaicvala._ ukacravad, axla amirxanaSvilzevsaubrob. Sesabamisad,SaqaraSvilis mimarTac analogiuridamokidebulebiT iqnebodnen,radgan isini narekvavSi momxdarkonfliqtSi ar monawileobdnen._ Tqveni dacvis qveS myofiarasrulwlovani CvenebaSi marTlaambobs, rom „qamris” mgzavreb-ma amirxanaSvils misi megobris,anu SaqaraSvilis moZebna da TbilisSimisi wamoyvanac SesTavaz-es?_ diax, manqanaSi myofma pirebmaSesTavazes, Tu survili gaqvs,moZebne da erTad wagiyvanTo, magramamirxanaSvilma uari ganacxadada Tqva, ara, TbilisSi wavide-To._ es detali imaze xom ar mianiSnebs,rom aragvis xidebTan momxdartragediaze amirxanaSvil-ma Zalian bevri ram icis?_ ver getyviT, amirxanaSvilmara SeiZleba icodes da ra _ ara,magram gamoZiebasTan ar Tanam-Sromloben da arakeTilsindisiermowmeebad gvevlinebian._ arakeTilsindisieri mowmee-bi ratom arian?_ Cvenebas araerTxel cvlian dasakiTxavia, amis Semdeg am adamianebisra unda daijero?_ giorgi, Tqveni SefasebiT,saxelmwifos am saqmis mimarT in-teresi imitom aqvs, rom viRacasxels afarebs Tu gamoZieba Tavid-anve zereled daiwyo da faqtebsimitom itom Cqmalavs, rom ar unda,sakuTari araprofesionalizmiaRiaros?_ am kiTxvaze pasuxi mas Semdegmecodineba, gamoZieba rom dasruldebada saqme sasamarTloSigaigzavneba, Tumca axlac faqtia,rom gamoZiebasTan mimarTebiTZalian bevri kiTxvaa. yvelafersTavi rom davaneboT, SemTxvevisadgili, sadac amirxanaSvili imaleboda,daiwva da es ukve Zaliandid kiTxvis niSans aCens!_ diax, magram SemTxveviTdawvis versiaze kiTxvis niSnebimirian nikolaZes ar aqvs._ Zalian samwuxaroa, rom biZaskiTxvebi ar uCndeba. davuSvaT, gamoZiebasul idealurad rom mimdinareobdesda is piric dadgenilihyavdes, vinc gardacvalebisSemswrea an gardacvalebasTan kav-Siri aqvs, elementarulad kiTxvasmasac davusvamT, _ iqneb, masTanerTad meore piric idga? policiamamirxanaSvilis samalavis dacvamxolod dawvis Semdeg daiwyo,manamde ki ar icavda da rogorSeiZleba, amaze kiTxva ar gqondes?_ giorgi SaqaraSvils, rocaoTxdRiani Zebnis Semdeg aragvSiipoves, fexsacmeli da windebi arecva, Tumca perangze Rilebi Sek-ruli hqonda. es detali saeWvoaraa?_ es ufro eqspertizam undagviTxras, miT umetes, rom kompleqsurieqspertiza daniSnulia.marTali ar viqnebi, rom vTqva,wyali Rilebs gauxsnida Tu ara.eqspertebi imitom arseboben, romyvelaferi es daadginon._ ise, giorgi, ras elodebiT _Tqveni dacvis qveS myofi aras-rulwlovani am saqmidan rogorgamova?_ molodini ar maqvs, rom ganzraxmkvlelobis muxliT mis mimarTbrali damZimebda. aranairimtkicebuleba ar arsebobs, romelicamas daadasturebs _ masSaqaraSvilTan fizikuri siaxlovecki ar hqonia!_ e. i. ukve wayenebuli muxliTmiusjian Tu sasamarTlo saer-Tod gaaTavisuflebs?_ imis Sesaxebac araerTxelgviTqvams, rom arc amirxanaSvilisTavisuflebis ukanono aRkveTayofila _ amirxanaSvili Tavad ambobs,rom sakuTari nebiT gahyvamaT. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob,z.x. am mimarTulebiT unda gamarTldes!saerTod, jgufuri Zaladobada masSi monawileoba absoluturadsxva kategoriis dana-Saulia. warmoidgineT, saxelmwifom,jgufuri ZaladobiTa da mas-Si monawileobiT, anu 245-e muxliT,20 ivniss dakavebulebs wauyenabrali._ diax, amis Sesaxeb cnobilia..._ hoda, am SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifoswarmomadgenels winaaRmdegobasar vuwevT._ giorgi, Tqveni ar vici dapiradad me ki mgonia, rom am saqmezesimarTles verasodes gav-igebT..._ imedi maqvs, rom dadgindeba,Tumca ar vici, realurad ra iqneba.N16 (318) 21.07-27.07.2020 w.7
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