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qveyanaSi Seqmnil viTarebaze,
mimdinare politikur proceseb-
sa da 2020 wlis saparlamento
arCevnebSi axalgazrdebis CarTulobaze
„qronika+” rubrika „axalgazrda
politikosebSi” „Tavis-
ufali demokratebis” axalgazr-
duli organizaciis wevr giorgi
qitiaSvils esaubra:
_ giorgi, ra kiTxvebi gaqvs
giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkvlelobis
saqmis gamoZiebis Sesaxeb?
_ pirvel rigSi, ojaxs tragedias
vusamZimreb da mgonia, rom am
saqmesTan dakavSirebiT Zalian bevri
kiTxvis niSani arsebobs. saxelmwifo
jerovnad ver an ar asrulebs
Tavis movaleobas. saqmeSi
Zalian bevri lafsusia. Tundac
sagamoZiebo moqmedebebis droulad
arganxorcieleba, mowmeebis
droulad ardakiTxva, im adgilis
gadawva, sadac TviTmxilveli
imaleboda. savaraudod, saxelmwifo
viRacebs xels afarebs. Tundac
jer kidev kiTxvis niSania imas-
Tan dakavSirebiT, aris Tu ara
„kawro” is adamiani, vinc manqanidan
gadmodis? realurad, kadrSi Cans,
rom is piri mowmes esaubreba. Sinagan
saqmeTa saministros avtobanze
imdeni kamera aqvs, martivi
dasadgenia, marTlac xaSuridan
modioda Tu ara is pirovneba. es
kiTxvis niSnebi aCens swored eWvs,
rom saxelmwifo am saqmis Cafarcxvas
cdilobs da Tu amas akeTebs,
ra Tqma unda, es sistemuri dana-
Saulia. Cven ukve gvaqvs SemTxvevebi,
Tu rogor moqmedebda saxelmwifo
saraliZis, maCalikaSvilis
saqmeebze, Sesabamisad, aseTi qmedeba
ukve saxelmwifos xelwera gaxda
da ar mgonia, vinmes gaukvirdes,
Tuki aRmoCnda, rom saqmes ayalbeben.
_ am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT
ismis mosazreba, rom mediis
CarTuloba,
garkveulwilad,
azianebs sagamoZiebo process. ra
kuTxiT gamoikveTa mediis roli
am saqmeSi da exeba Tu ara igi
mTel sazogadoebas?
_ es ojaxis tragediaa da ise
emociurad amas veravin aRiqvams,
rogorc ojaxi, magram saerTod ar
vfiqrob, rom es Tema sazogadoebas
ar exeba. realurad, problemaa,
rom saxelmwifo jerovnad
ar asrulebs Tavis movaleobas. SeiZleba,
ojaxma damnaSaveebs saer-
Tod apatios, magram es imas ar niSnavs,
rom saxelmwifom Tavisi movaleoba
ar unda Seasrulos. msjeloba
im kuTxiT, rom es tragedia
mxolod ojaxis saqmea da sxvas
aravis araferi ekiTxeba, arasaxelmwifoebrivi
viwro Tvalsawieris
azrovnebaa. rac Seexeba mediis
rols am saqmeSi, kidev erTxel
gamoCnda, Tu ramdenad mniSvnelovania
Tavisufali mediis arseboba
qveyanaSi, raTa aseT dros kiTxvebs
pasuxebi gaeces. is, rom garkveul
kiTxvebs pasuxi gaeca, mediisa da
im Jurnalisturi gamoZiebis damsaxurebaa,
rac Jurnalistebma
awarmoes, igive Tqveni gazeTis redaqtorma
qalbatonma eliso
kilaZem da Tavisufalma televiziebma.
mediis rolia swored mTavari
saqmis am donemde miyvanaSi _
saxelmwifos realuri Secdomebi
da danaSaulebebi gamoCnda.
_ winasaarCevnod xelisufle-
bas ar unda awyobdes am tipis saqmis
gamouZiebloba. es xom ar iqne-
ba obieqturi gamoZiebis sababi?
_ xelisuflebisTvis Zalian
cudi iqneba arCevnebis win am saqmis
gamouZiebloba, magram, realurad,
es socialuri kontraqti
mgonia, rac xelisuflebas kriminalTan
da quCasTan aqvs dadebuli.
aqedan gamomdinare, xelisufleba
ver wiravs im adamianebs, romlebic
arCevnebze exmarebian. gvaxsovs,
wlebis winaT korcxelSi rogor
moeqcnen opozicioner deputatebs
da aravin aris dasjili, aseve
moWidave zurab daTunaSvilis cemis
faqti, roca aravin dasjila.
es is realobaa, rac Seqmna „qarTuli
ocnebis” xelisuflebam. Tu vinmes
gawiraven, magaliTad, sportsmens,
romelic SaqaraSvilis
saqmeSi monawileobda, maSin isini
imaze dafiqrdebian, rom „ocneba”
wiravs Tavis momxreebs da Sesa-
Zloa, ise aRar daexmaron. ase rom,
xelisuflebis bralia is garemo,
rac dRes Seiqmna qveyanaSi.
_ prezidentis gancxadeba, „Za-
ladoba vici erTi erTze”, xels
uwyobs Zaladobis romantizebas?
_ salome zurabiSvilis gamosvlebi
komikuri gaxda. mgonia, rom
am SemTxvevaSi verbalizaciis problemaa
da es adamiani ar atans gonebas
imas, Tu ra Sedegi SeiZleba
gamoiwvios misma gamonaTqvamma. es
pirveli SemTxveva ar aris, bevrjer
dauSvia msgavsi lingvisturi
Seusabamoba.
_ am procesebis paralelurad
mmarTvelma gundma saarCevno
Stabis xelmZRvanelad irakli
kobaxiZe daniSna, raze metyvelebs
es gadawyvetileba?
_ es imis dadasturebaa, Tu
rogori winasaarCevno kampania eqneba
„qarTul ocnebas”, anu siZulvilis
enaze, Zaladobaze, agresiasa
da „cxra welze” damyarebuli.
„qarTul ocnebas” iseTi
saarCevno kampania da mesijboqsebi
eqneba, rogoric irakli kobaxiZea
da rogor tonalobaSic saubrobda
is mosaxleobasa da opoziciasTan.
_ „cxrawlian reJimze” dam-
yarebuli kampania axseneT,
romelsac 2012 wlidan iyenebs
„qarTuli ocneba”. amjerad ramdenad
imuSavebs „qarTuli ocneb-
is” sasargeblod es gzavnili?
_ „cxrawliani reJimis” xseneba
ise Zlierad aRar imuSavebs,
giorgi qitiaSvili:
`xelisuflebas
kriminalTan
socialuri
kontraqti aqvs
dadebuli~
rogorc aqamde muSaobda. rac Seexeba
opozicias, mosaxleoba unda
davarwmunoT, rom Cveni arCevis
SemTxvevaSi bevrad ukeTesi momavali
eqneba qveyanas. mTavari amocanaa,
gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli
miviyvanoT yuTTan da „qarTul
ocnebas” ar mivceT arCevnebis gayalbebis
saSualeba, rac, vfiqrob,
opoziciis muSaobazea damokidebuli.
_ Tqveni azriT, kvlav polarizebuli
garemo iqneba da arCe-
vani dadgeba „qarTul ocnebasa”
da „nacionalur moZraobas”
Soris?
_ radgan kobaxiZe daniSnes
saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvanelad,
savaraudod, aqcenti gakeTdeba:
„qarTuli ocneba” VS „nacionaluri
moZraoba”. magram arseboben
sxva politikuri Zalebi: „Tavisufali
demokratebi”, „evropuli
saqarTvelo”, „lelo”... wels sxva
tipis arCevnebi Catardeba da amitom
ar mgonia, 2016 wlis polarizebis
suraTi vixiloT. arCevnebze
saqarTvelos mosaxleobas velodebi,
man unda gadawyvitos, saiT
gvinda wasvla _ ruseTisken Tu
dasavleTisken? Cveni xelisufleba
im saqmes akeTebs, rac ruseTs
awyobs. ruseTs problemebi hqonda
zviad gamsaxurdiasTan, eduard
SevardnaZesTan, mixeil saakaS-
vilTan, magram, ratomRac, biZina
ivaniSvilTan ar aqvs. yvela faqti
ruseTis interesebSi iyo: ar aSenda
anakliis porti da a. S. ruse-
Tis interesebSia saqarTvelo,
rogorc Seumdgari, gaWirvebuli
da Raribi qveyana. ivaniSvili cdilobs,
gaaRaribos Cveni qveyana da
aamos ruseTs, es aris swored,
prorusoba. ver davijereb, rom
biZina ivaniSvils ruseTTan kavSiri
ar aqvs. romeli Tavmoyvare xelisufleba
Camoiyvanda gavrilovs?!
amaT gasdiT da akeTeben.
ruseTis interesebs emTxveva
mmarTveli gundis qmedebebi.
_ ramdenad didi Sansia imisa,
rom opozicia ruseTis Temas da
„ocnebis” prorusul nabijebs
daanaxebs amomrCevlis did naw-
ils?
_ es Cvenzea damokidebuli.
opozicia Tu amas SevZlebT, aseT
SemTxvevaSi gamarjvebas movipovebT.
aucilebelia, mosaxleobasTan
Sexvedrebi, xSiri konsultaciebi
da xalxma unda igrZnos, rom maT
gverdiT varT da kabinetebSi ar
vsxedvarT. opoziciam Zalian bevri
unda vimuSaoT, rom Cveni
saTqmeli da ideebi mosaxleobamde
mivitanoT.
_ rogoria „Tavisufali demo-
kratebis” gegmebi am arCevnebze?
_ „evropul saqarTvelosTan”
erTad koaliciiT gavdivarT arCevnebze.
mTawmindaze gvyavs saer-
To opoziciuri kandidati, _ Cveni
partiidan Salva SavguliZe da
mxars vuWerT danarCen opoziciur
kandidatebs sxva raionebSi,
razedac SevTanxmdiT. rac Seexeba
mTavar mesijboqss, winasaarCevno
kampaniis gamocxadebis Semdeg yvelaferi
gaxdeba cnobili.
_ iyo aseTi daTqma, rom am
wels bevri axali saxe gamoCndeboda
politikaSi. am mocemulo-
biT risi Tqma SegiZliaT da
rogor warmogidgeniaT axal-
gazrdebis CarTuloba 2020 wlis
saparlamento arCevnebze?
_ politikur partiebSi myofi
axalgazrdebi maqsimalurad CaverTvebiT
procesebSi da winasaarCevno
kampaniaSic miviRebT monawileobas.
SeiZleba, kandidatebic
iyvnen axalgazrdebi. 2020 wlis
arCevnebisTvis SeiZleba ar iyos
TvalsaCino axalgazrdebis politikaSi
CarTuloba, magram mgonia,
rom 2030 wlisTvis saerTod axali
politikuri elita iqneba, ra
Tqma unda, arsebuli politikosebis
nawilTan erTad. sazogadoebis
dakveTa axal saxeebTan dakav-
SirebiT nel-nela Sesruldeba.
gvaxsovs, wlebis winaT korcxelSi rogor moeqcnen opozicioner deputatebs
da aravin aris dasjili, aseve moWidave zurab daTunaSvilis cemis faqti,
roca aravin dasjila. es is realobaa, rac Seqmna `qarTuli ocnebis~
xelisuflebam. Tu vinmes gawiraven, magaliTad, sportsmens, romelic
SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi monawileobda, maSin isini imaze dafiqrdebian, rom
`ocneba~ wiravs Tavis momxreebs da SesaZloa, ise aRar daexmaron~
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