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`mmarTveli gundis qmedebebi ruseTis interesebs emTxveva~

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qveyanaSi Seqmnil viTarebaze,

mimdinare politikur proceseb-

sa da 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebSi axalgazrdebis CarTulobaze

„qronika+” rubrika „axalgazrda

politikosebSi” „Tavis-

ufali demokratebis” axalgazr-

duli organizaciis wevr giorgi

qitiaSvils esaubra:

_ giorgi, ra kiTxvebi gaqvs

giorgi SaqaraSvilis mkvlelobis

saqmis gamoZiebis Sesaxeb?

_ pirvel rigSi, ojaxs tragedias

vusamZimreb da mgonia, rom am

saqmesTan dakavSirebiT Zalian bevri

kiTxvis niSani arsebobs. saxelmwifo

jerovnad ver an ar asrulebs

Tavis movaleobas. saqmeSi

Zalian bevri lafsusia. Tundac

sagamoZiebo moqmedebebis droulad

arganxorcieleba, mowmeebis

droulad ardakiTxva, im adgilis

gadawva, sadac TviTmxilveli

imaleboda. savaraudod, saxelmwifo

viRacebs xels afarebs. Tundac

jer kidev kiTxvis niSania imas-

Tan dakavSirebiT, aris Tu ara

„kawro” is adamiani, vinc manqanidan

gadmodis? realurad, kadrSi Cans,

rom is piri mowmes esaubreba. Sinagan

saqmeTa saministros avtobanze

imdeni kamera aqvs, martivi

dasadgenia, marTlac xaSuridan

modioda Tu ara is pirovneba. es

kiTxvis niSnebi aCens swored eWvs,

rom saxelmwifo am saqmis Cafarcxvas

cdilobs da Tu amas akeTebs,

ra Tqma unda, es sistemuri dana-

Saulia. Cven ukve gvaqvs SemTxvevebi,

Tu rogor moqmedebda saxelmwifo

saraliZis, maCalikaSvilis

saqmeebze, Sesabamisad, aseTi qmedeba

ukve saxelmwifos xelwera gaxda

da ar mgonia, vinmes gaukvirdes,

Tuki aRmoCnda, rom saqmes ayalbeben.

_ am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT

ismis mosazreba, rom mediis

CarTuloba,

garkveulwilad,

azianebs sagamoZiebo process. ra

kuTxiT gamoikveTa mediis roli

am saqmeSi da exeba Tu ara igi

mTel sazogadoebas?

_ es ojaxis tragediaa da ise

emociurad amas veravin aRiqvams,

rogorc ojaxi, magram saerTod ar

vfiqrob, rom es Tema sazogadoebas

ar exeba. realurad, problemaa,

rom saxelmwifo jerovnad

ar asrulebs Tavis movaleobas. SeiZleba,

ojaxma damnaSaveebs saer-

Tod apatios, magram es imas ar niSnavs,

rom saxelmwifom Tavisi movaleoba

ar unda Seasrulos. msjeloba

im kuTxiT, rom es tragedia

mxolod ojaxis saqmea da sxvas

aravis araferi ekiTxeba, arasaxelmwifoebrivi

viwro Tvalsawieris

azrovnebaa. rac Seexeba mediis

rols am saqmeSi, kidev erTxel

gamoCnda, Tu ramdenad mniSvnelovania

Tavisufali mediis arseboba

qveyanaSi, raTa aseT dros kiTxvebs

pasuxebi gaeces. is, rom garkveul

kiTxvebs pasuxi gaeca, mediisa da

im Jurnalisturi gamoZiebis damsaxurebaa,

rac Jurnalistebma

awarmoes, igive Tqveni gazeTis redaqtorma

qalbatonma eliso

kilaZem da Tavisufalma televiziebma.

mediis rolia swored mTavari

saqmis am donemde miyvanaSi _

saxelmwifos realuri Secdomebi

da danaSaulebebi gamoCnda.

_ winasaarCevnod xelisufle-

bas ar unda awyobdes am tipis saqmis

gamouZiebloba. es xom ar iqne-

ba obieqturi gamoZiebis sababi?

_ xelisuflebisTvis Zalian

cudi iqneba arCevnebis win am saqmis

gamouZiebloba, magram, realurad,

es socialuri kontraqti

mgonia, rac xelisuflebas kriminalTan

da quCasTan aqvs dadebuli.

aqedan gamomdinare, xelisufleba

ver wiravs im adamianebs, romlebic

arCevnebze exmarebian. gvaxsovs,

wlebis winaT korcxelSi rogor

moeqcnen opozicioner deputatebs

da aravin aris dasjili, aseve

moWidave zurab daTunaSvilis cemis

faqti, roca aravin dasjila.

es is realobaa, rac Seqmna „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebam. Tu vinmes

gawiraven, magaliTad, sportsmens,

romelic SaqaraSvilis

saqmeSi monawileobda, maSin isini

imaze dafiqrdebian, rom „ocneba”

wiravs Tavis momxreebs da Sesa-

Zloa, ise aRar daexmaron. ase rom,

xelisuflebis bralia is garemo,

rac dRes Seiqmna qveyanaSi.

_ prezidentis gancxadeba, „Za-

ladoba vici erTi erTze”, xels

uwyobs Zaladobis romantizebas?

_ salome zurabiSvilis gamosvlebi

komikuri gaxda. mgonia, rom

am SemTxvevaSi verbalizaciis problemaa

da es adamiani ar atans gonebas

imas, Tu ra Sedegi SeiZleba

gamoiwvios misma gamonaTqvamma. es

pirveli SemTxveva ar aris, bevrjer

dauSvia msgavsi lingvisturi

Seusabamoba.

_ am procesebis paralelurad

mmarTvelma gundma saarCevno

Stabis xelmZRvanelad irakli

kobaxiZe daniSna, raze metyvelebs

es gadawyvetileba?

_ es imis dadasturebaa, Tu

rogori winasaarCevno kampania eqneba

„qarTul ocnebas”, anu siZulvilis

enaze, Zaladobaze, agresiasa

da „cxra welze” damyarebuli.

„qarTul ocnebas” iseTi

saarCevno kampania da mesijboqsebi

eqneba, rogoric irakli kobaxiZea

da rogor tonalobaSic saubrobda

is mosaxleobasa da opoziciasTan.

_ „cxrawlian reJimze” dam-

yarebuli kampania axseneT,

romelsac 2012 wlidan iyenebs

„qarTuli ocneba”. amjerad ramdenad

imuSavebs „qarTuli ocneb-

is” sasargeblod es gzavnili?

_ „cxrawliani reJimis” xseneba

ise Zlierad aRar imuSavebs,

giorgi qitiaSvili:

`xelisuflebas

kriminalTan

socialuri

kontraqti aqvs

dadebuli~

rogorc aqamde muSaobda. rac Seexeba

opozicias, mosaxleoba unda

davarwmunoT, rom Cveni arCevis

SemTxvevaSi bevrad ukeTesi momavali

eqneba qveyanas. mTavari amocanaa,

gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli

miviyvanoT yuTTan da „qarTul

ocnebas” ar mivceT arCevnebis gayalbebis

saSualeba, rac, vfiqrob,

opoziciis muSaobazea damokidebuli.

_ Tqveni azriT, kvlav polarizebuli

garemo iqneba da arCe-

vani dadgeba „qarTul ocnebasa”

da „nacionalur moZraobas”

Soris?

_ radgan kobaxiZe daniSnes

saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvanelad,

savaraudod, aqcenti gakeTdeba:

„qarTuli ocneba” VS „nacionaluri

moZraoba”. magram arseboben

sxva politikuri Zalebi: „Tavisufali

demokratebi”, „evropuli

saqarTvelo”, „lelo”... wels sxva

tipis arCevnebi Catardeba da amitom

ar mgonia, 2016 wlis polarizebis

suraTi vixiloT. arCevnebze

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas velodebi,

man unda gadawyvitos, saiT

gvinda wasvla _ ruseTisken Tu

dasavleTisken? Cveni xelisufleba

im saqmes akeTebs, rac ruseTs

awyobs. ruseTs problemebi hqonda

zviad gamsaxurdiasTan, eduard

SevardnaZesTan, mixeil saakaS-

vilTan, magram, ratomRac, biZina

ivaniSvilTan ar aqvs. yvela faqti

ruseTis interesebSi iyo: ar aSenda

anakliis porti da a. S. ruse-

Tis interesebSia saqarTvelo,

rogorc Seumdgari, gaWirvebuli

da Raribi qveyana. ivaniSvili cdilobs,

gaaRaribos Cveni qveyana da

aamos ruseTs, es aris swored,

prorusoba. ver davijereb, rom

biZina ivaniSvils ruseTTan kavSiri

ar aqvs. romeli Tavmoyvare xelisufleba

Camoiyvanda gavrilovs?!

amaT gasdiT da akeTeben.

ruseTis interesebs emTxveva

mmarTveli gundis qmedebebi.

_ ramdenad didi Sansia imisa,

rom opozicia ruseTis Temas da

„ocnebis” prorusul nabijebs

daanaxebs amomrCevlis did naw-

ils?

_ es Cvenzea damokidebuli.

opozicia Tu amas SevZlebT, aseT

SemTxvevaSi gamarjvebas movipovebT.

aucilebelia, mosaxleobasTan

Sexvedrebi, xSiri konsultaciebi

da xalxma unda igrZnos, rom maT

gverdiT varT da kabinetebSi ar

vsxedvarT. opoziciam Zalian bevri

unda vimuSaoT, rom Cveni

saTqmeli da ideebi mosaxleobamde

mivitanoT.

_ rogoria „Tavisufali demo-

kratebis” gegmebi am arCevnebze?

_ „evropul saqarTvelosTan”

erTad koaliciiT gavdivarT arCevnebze.

mTawmindaze gvyavs saer-

To opoziciuri kandidati, _ Cveni

partiidan Salva SavguliZe da

mxars vuWerT danarCen opoziciur

kandidatebs sxva raionebSi,

razedac SevTanxmdiT. rac Seexeba

mTavar mesijboqss, winasaarCevno

kampaniis gamocxadebis Semdeg yvelaferi

gaxdeba cnobili.

_ iyo aseTi daTqma, rom am

wels bevri axali saxe gamoCndeboda

politikaSi. am mocemulo-

biT risi Tqma SegiZliaT da

rogor warmogidgeniaT axal-

gazrdebis CarTuloba 2020 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebze?

_ politikur partiebSi myofi

axalgazrdebi maqsimalurad CaverTvebiT

procesebSi da winasaarCevno

kampaniaSic miviRebT monawileobas.

SeiZleba, kandidatebic

iyvnen axalgazrdebi. 2020 wlis

arCevnebisTvis SeiZleba ar iyos

TvalsaCino axalgazrdebis politikaSi

CarTuloba, magram mgonia,

rom 2030 wlisTvis saerTod axali

politikuri elita iqneba, ra

Tqma unda, arsebuli politikosebis

nawilTan erTad. sazogadoebis

dakveTa axal saxeebTan dakav-

SirebiT nel-nela Sesruldeba.

gvaxsovs, wlebis winaT korcxelSi rogor moeqcnen opozicioner deputatebs

da aravin aris dasjili, aseve moWidave zurab daTunaSvilis cemis faqti,

roca aravin dasjila. es is realobaa, rac Seqmna `qarTuli ocnebis~

xelisuflebam. Tu vinmes gawiraven, magaliTad, sportsmens, romelic

SaqaraSvilis saqmeSi monawileobda, maSin isini imaze dafiqrdebian, rom

`ocneba~ wiravs Tavis momxreebs da SesaZloa, ise aRar daexmaron~

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